Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Allen was better than Watson today. Watson has Hopkins and Fuller, was worse against the rush, threw two horrible INTs, fumbled twice, was sacked six times, didn't feel the rush worse than Josh, and his only TD was a fabulous catch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Allen looks exactly as advertised on the scouting reports. He looks like a guy who should have been picked in the 4th or 5th round who would compete for a roster spot. He looks completely outmatched out there. He looks a lot like Tyler Bray. Rocket arm, no accuracy, no clue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Allen looks exactly as advertised on the scouting reports. He looks like a guy who should have been picked in the 4th or 5th round who would compete for a roster spot. He looks completely outmatched out there. Wrong. Allen was a clear 1st round prospect due to his physical abilities. He has more arm talent than 3/4ths of NFL QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Allen looks exactly as advertised on the scouting reports. He looks like a guy who should have been picked in the 4th or 5th round who would compete for a roster spot. He looks completely outmatched out there. What scouting reports had him as a 4th or 5 th round pick? Stupid post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Allen was better than Watson today. Watson has Hopkins and Fuller, was worse against the rush, threw two horrible INTs, fumbled twice, was sacked six times, didn't feel the rush worse than Josh, and his only TD was a fabulous catch. Two terrible INTs? You call a freak ball batted in the air that drops incomplete 99/100 times a "terrible INT?" No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Two terrible INTs? You call a freak ball batted in the air that drops incomplete 99/100 times a "terrible INT?" No. Fine. One 2x terrible INT and one average INT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, That's No Moon said: He looks a lot like Tyler Bray. Rocket arm, no accuracy, no clue. Someone just compared him to Logan Thomas. That's a great comparison. Allen might be big, strong and fast, but he has no idea how to play QB. He's taken our passing game back to the stone age of professional football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Deep breath, people. 5 games. 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Fine. One 2x terrible INT and one average INT. Thank you. Watson had an ugly game, but in the biz of making excuses for QBs, we do call it "played well enough to win." See, Bills v Titans on 10/7/18 for more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Wrong. Allen was a clear 1st round prospect due to his physical abilities. He has more arm talent than 3/4ths of NFL QBs. Most draft experts considered him a 3rd round talent who would be taken much higher in the 1st round simply due to need around the league and the fact that the team that took him could be the lucky lottery winner, but that's all based on speculated, perceived, potential. The Allen we have seen is the guy he has always been. Why anyone thought he would morph into something much, much better at the NFL level, facing much better talent and coaching, I have no idea. These arguments will go away with the passage of time. I mean no one around here is still waiting for EJ Manuel to arrive, are they? They were all arguing for EJ a while ago though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Allen looks exactly as advertised on the scouting reports. He looks like a guy who should have been picked in the 4th or 5th round who would compete for a roster spot. He looks completely outmatched out there. There's been no progress since the Bengals preseason game. Who had him as a 4th or 5th rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Someone just compared him to Logan Thomas. That's a great comparison. Allen might be big, strong and fast, but he has no idea how to play QB. He's taken our passing game back to the stone age of professional football. Please go back and watch the video of Tyrod's performances last year against the Saints, Jags and others. Our passing game has been in the stone ages since about week 8 of 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, JM57 said: This is very bad If only Captain Dimarco knew the rules of football and how to line up correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Thank you. Watson had an ugly game, but in the biz of making excuses for QBs, we do call it "played well enough to win." See, Bills v Titans on 10/7/18 for more info. He didn't play well enough to win. He was awful. That was a won in spite of him. And I like him a lot. He threw a bunch of nice balls. But he was awful. They won because of the pick six, they didn't score on a first and goal from the one after an interference in the endzone call. He was extremely careless with the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: Most draft experts considered him a 3rd round talent who would be taken much higher in the 1st round simply due to need around the league and the fact that the team that took him could be the lucky lottery winner, but that's all based on speculated, perceived, potential. The Allen we have seen is the guy he has always been. Why anyone thought he would morph into something much, much better at the NFL level, facing much better talent and coaching, I have no idea. These arguments will go away with the passage of time. I mean no one around here is still waiting for EJ Manuel to arrive, are they? They were all arguing for EJ a while ago though. No they didn't. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2765842-nfl-draft-400-top-qbs-for-2018-nfl-draft#slide20 Matt Miller gave him the second highest QB grade in 2018. Ranked him a 1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said: Please go back and watch the video of Tyrod's performances last year against the Saints, Jags and others. Our passing game has been in the stone ages since about week 8 of 2011. It's never been this bad. We have an historically bad offense right now that's averaging under 13 points per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Wrong. Allen was a clear 1st round prospect due to his physical abilities. He has more arm talent than 3/4ths of NFL QBs. Allen is as advertised, dripping with raw talent, but a project. Thanks to Beane head Buffalo had to speed up the process. I like what I'm seeing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Fadingpain said: Most draft experts considered him a 3rd round talent who would be taken much higher in the 1st round simply due to need around the league and the fact that the team that took him could be the lucky lottery winner, but that's all based on speculated, perceived, potential. The Allen we have seen is the guy he has always been. Why anyone thought he would morph into something much, much better at the NFL level, facing much better talent and coaching, I have no idea. These arguments will go away with the passage of time. I mean no one around here is still waiting for EJ Manuel to arrive, are they? They were all arguing for EJ a while ago though. Which passes specifically did Allen not complete today that you'd expect a 1st round talent rookie to complete? Keep in mind he had 11 completions and 6 incompletions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) All I know is i've grown tired of watching just about every other nfl team throwing the ball and scoring points. It's about time this organization gets more than 50% of the damned game right at any given time. Brock Osweiller... omg Edited October 14, 2018 by Albwan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Keep in mind Allen should not be playing this year. Most scouts said he needed to sit and work on some things but yet the Bills have run him out there and fans expect him to be a star. It wasn’t going to happen this year and he along with the team QB position have suffered due to an incompetent staff and organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It's never been this bad. We have an historically bad offense right now that's averaging under 13 points per game. And we have historically bad "weapons." Tyrod Orton and Manuel had Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan... All solid options on other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, WRONG JOSH said: I feel like maybe there was another option in the draft thatwasmore nfl ready How's Rosey doing these days ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Figster said: Allen is as advertised, dripping with raw talent, but a project. Thanks to Beane head Buffalo had to speed up the process. I like what I'm seeing... The project label is overblown. There are very few QBs in the college game drafted highly that don't have things to work on. Allen got by in college with his arm strength, which led to some sloppy footwork and throwing habits. You draft a young QB, surround him with players who can get him feeling comfortable, and work on whatever faults they have. We just haven't done step 2 yet. 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: He didn't play well enough to win. He was awful. That was a won in spite of him. And I like him a lot. He threw a bunch of nice balls. But he was awful. They won because of the pick six, they didn't score on a first and goal from the one after an interference in the endzone call. He was extremely careless with the ball. I'm sorry, your call cannot be completed as dialed. Please hang up and try again. He got the win. Ergo, played well enough to win. See Bills v Titans 10/7/18 for more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC24 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Wrong. Allen was a clear 1st round prospect due to his physical abilities. He has more arm talent than 3/4ths of NFL QBs. no one gives a **** about arm talent dude. the best QB's in the NFL don't even have strong arms. Accuracy and reading defenses are really the only thing that matters. Allens deep ball is horribly inaccurate, half the time the ball sails 30 yards over the WR's head or straight out of bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Cut him right now There must be some 30 something journeyman scrub like Kyle Orton that could bring in to replace him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Iverwig said: Keep in mind Allen should not be playing this year. Most scouts said he needed to sit and work on some things but yet the Bills have run him out there and fans expect him to be a star. It wasn’t going to happen this year and he along with the team QB position have suffered due to an incompetent staff and organization. Totally predictable, though. Football fans, in general, are basically neanderthals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: And we have historically bad "weapons." Tyrod Orton and Manuel had Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan... All solid options on other teams. Tyrod had the exact same supporting cast last year. The supporting cast is awful, but the QB play is by far the worst in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, LFC24 said: no one gives a **** about arm talent dude. the best QB's in the NFL don't even have strong arms. Accuracy and reading defenses are really the only thing that matters. Allens deep ball is horribly inaccurate, half the time the ball sails 30 yards over the WR's head or straight out of bounds. Aaron Rogers? He's 1-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Mock drafts and scouting reports are easy to find. If you start trying to claim that most or even any had Allen as a middle or late rounder, that’s a pretty easy thing to debunk. Clearly, he was a highly touted prospect, who many had as a top 10 pick, and basically everyone had going in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, LFC24 said: the best QB's in the NFL don't even have strong arms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, LFC24 said: no one gives a **** about arm talent dude. the best QB's in the NFL don't even have strong arms. Accuracy and reading defenses are really the only thing that matters. Allens deep ball is horribly inaccurate, half the time the ball sails 30 yards over the WR's head or straight out of bounds. Ha ha okay dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: The project label is overblown. There are very few QBs in the college game drafted highly that don't have things to work on. Allen got by in college with his arm strength, which led to some sloppy footwork and throwing habits. You draft a young QB, surround him with players who can get him feeling comfortable, and work on whatever faults they have. We just haven't done step 2 yet. I was against starting J A this quick, but I'm not hating it because Allen seems to be taking it all in stride in my humble opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Figster said: I was against starting J A this quick, but I'm not hating it because Allen seems to be taking it all in stride in my humble opinion. Short of finding an offensive savant coach, Allen was always going to have to take his lumps like most young QBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 The only thing i’ve seen so far that has been “as advertised” and has actually helped the team is his running ability. For such a big kid he is very fast and surprisingly elusive when he gets to the 2nd and 3rd levels on the run. The arm strength is obviously there as well - and I haven’t seen it contribute to any plus plays thus far. Allen’s simply too raw, too skittish, too inside his own head and way too inaccurate for his cannon arm to make any sort of difference. Blame his weapons (they are getting open), blame his line (they are protecting adequately) all you want. You’re just making excuses and sticking your head in the sand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Figster said: I was against starting J A this quick, but I'm not hating it because Allen seems to be taking it all in stride in my humble opinion. I agree. I was always for starting him but not expecting him to do well. I think this is invaluable experience for a raw rookie. The only problem is if it hurts his confidence and I just don't see that in a guy like him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: He has 2 years like I give every QB Tell me Nate has used his 2 years up already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: The only thing i’ve seen so far that has been “as advertised” and has actually helped the team is his running ability. For such a big kid he is very fast and surprisingly elusive when he gets to the 2nd and 3rd levels on the run. The arm strength is obviously there as well - and I haven’t seen it contribute to any plus plays thus far. Allen’s simply too raw, too skittish, too inside his own head and way too inaccurate for his cannon arm to make any sort of difference. Blame his weapons (they are getting open), blame his line (they are protecting adequately) all you want. You’re just making excuses and sticking your head in the sand. His strong arm has contributed to at least a third of his completions so far. That's nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 The Bills weren’t winning that game with or without Allen getting hurt. They were lucky to win one game when your QB can’t eclipse the 100 yard mark. They weren’t doing it two weeks in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I don't think the question is can Allen become a good QB. The question is can this staff develop him properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: The arm strength is obviously there as well - and I haven’t seen it contribute to any plus plays thus far. Allen’s simply too raw, too skittish, too inside his own head and way too inaccurate for his cannon arm to make any sort of difference. You must have been in the bathroom on those throws today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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