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11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

To be clear, I didn't say the economy is horrible.

 

It's good for now, but it was growing steadily in the 7 years prior to Trump taking office, so calling this "the Trump economy" as though he created this is disingenuous.

 

And projections are that the economy is slowing down. And this tax cut is breadcrumbs for the middle class and sandwiches for the wealthy. And it's adding SooOOooo much to the deficit, which as you know is something Republicans apparently care a lot about when Democrats are in office. And as far as feelings about those tax cuts:

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Does a 40% approval rating really jump out at you? I mean... that 40% is pretty ironic since it's pretty much where Trump's approval rating hovers, but if Independents are the determining factor in Trump getting reelected, 32% doesn't bode well.

 

The economy got a shot in the arm last year with the Tax cuts... we have 18 1/2 months until the election.

 

How confident are you it will get better or at least stay the same?

 

 

And as for the folks bringing up all the stuff about skeletons in Biden's closet coming out... well... Trump still got elected, so likely will Biden if he winds up being the nominee.

 

Another big mistake on Trump's part, I believe, was renewing his pledge to repeal the Affordable Care Act... though now he says they will put that off til after the election, which will make many of those who were "on the fence" vote against him considering he just wants it gone (Dude has serious Presidential Envy going on) with no plan to replace it with anything. Hell, even Fox friggin News had a poll in the last year that showed it had a 51% approval among Americans and this guy says to axe it without even a replacement plan?

 

The guy's an idiot and just needs to go.

While Trump may very well be an idiot, he’ll have a few things going for him. The economy ( whomever’s you choose to call it) will probably be the same to slightly improving. The Dems will nominate a radical, far left candidate out of touch with American ideals and with reality in general. This will bolster Trumps support from independents. If 51% of Americans “ approve” of the ACA, it’s likely that most don’t understand how bad and expensive it actually is for what it claims to accomplish. 

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2 hours ago, njbuff said:

As I have said.................

 

Tulsi Gabbard is the only sane Democrat by a freaking country mile, but she won't get the nomination if she lived to be 1,000 years old.

 

 

 

Biden was a decent choice in 2016, not sure he would survive a 2020 serious run in the current climate

 

 

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16 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

it's good for now, but it was growing steadily in the 7 years prior to Trump taking office, so calling this "the Trump economy" as though he created this is disingenuous.

 

2 Things.

 

1. The economy is to presidents as Wins are to NFL QBs.  When you win, the QB gets all the glory and when you lose its all the QB's fault.  Is it fair?  Or course not, but like a lot of things in life of is not Fair, but just is.

 

2. How long does a person have to be prez with a good  economy before you give them any credit?  We're going on 30 months.

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29 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

2 Things.

 

1. The economy is to presidents as Wins are to NFL QBs.  When you win, the QB gets all the glory and when you lose its all the QB's fault.  Is it fair?  Or course not, but like a lot of things in life of is not Fair, but just is.

 

2. How long does a person have to be prez with a good  economy before you give them any credit?  We're going on 30 months.

 

 

they insist Obama made the great economy, so at the very best Trump has managed to tread water to uphold this great economy 100% built by Obama

 

and they know that's a total load of BS with the first premise....

 

 

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Sure, why not? Everyone knows who this guy is. ?

 

Democratic Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton enters 2020 presidential race
 

Seth Moulton, an Iraq War veteran and Democratic congressman from Massachusetts, entered the 2020 presidential nomination contest on Monday, swelling the ranks of declared contenders to almost 20, his campaign announced in a video posted on YouTube.

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17 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

 

they insist Obama made the great economy, so at the very best Trump has managed to tread water to uphold this great economy 100% built by Obama

 

and they know that's a total load of BS with the first premise....

 

 

So, if Trump's economy was really Obama's was Obama's economy really Bush's and can Clinton be blamed for the meltdown in 2008?

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3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, if Trump's economy was really Obama's was Obama's economy really Bush's and can Clinton be blamed for the meltdown in 2008?

 

possibly, you'd never get them to admit that, they can't even absorb that Trump won again and was totally acquitted

 

 

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All these snow flakes that think they need a loan because they can't afford college should join the military in a non combat role for 3 years and then go to college on the GI Bill.  That's what I did. It's what their grand parents did too.

 

I don't feel sorry for them at all.

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31 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

 

Hell why stop there? Let's cancel mortgage debt and credit card debt too. It's no big deal, it's just highlighting some numbers on a computer and clicking the Delete key, right?

 

let everyone out of prison

fire the police

put fiddlers on every street corner

 

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5 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

All these snow flakes that think they need a loan because they can't afford college should join the military in a non combat role for 3 years and then go to college on the GI Bill.  That's what I did. It's what their grand parents did too.

 

I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Because college loans are so easy to get way too many kids (yes, kids) go to college when many of them should be getting an apprenticeship or whatever. They leave school, whether graduating or not and many still don't have any prospects. They owe a ton of money and have no real way of paying it back. Because loans were so available colleges took advantage and became more expensive and bloated.

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*DNC meeting

 

* "OK, just don't be crazy and we are going to win in 2020!"

 

BETO: Tear down existing border walls

 

"What? No, don't..."

 

BUTTIGIEG: Late-term abortion is fine.

 

"Wait, stop..."

 

BERNIE: Let the Boston bomber vote!

 

HARRIS: Totally agree

 

"Srsly, what the f..."

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

I'm sure that will play well with everybody who worked their way through college and spent years living frugally to make sure they pay back their loans on time.  I understand she has to break through in the polls, but this is an ill-conceived proposal.  It helps candidates like Buttigieg and Harris.

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14 hours ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

 

Hell why stop there? Let's cancel mortgage debt and credit card debt too. It's no big deal, it's just highlighting some numbers on a computer and clicking the Delete key, right?

 

Moreover, what about those people who already paid off their student loans?

 

Will they be refunded?

 

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3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm sure that will play well with everybody who worked their way through college and spent years living frugally to make sure they pay back their loans on time.  I understand she has to break through in the polls, but this is an ill-conceived proposal.  It helps candidates like Buttigieg and Harris.

I'm fortunate enough to be completely done with student loans, and yeah, forgiveness would be a bit of a slap in the face. It's also a major issue that was forced on a lot of these people by the previous generation. Go to college or you'll be a failure, etc. I don't think the debt should be erased, that's just way too much. But I do think it would help everyone tremendously if the interest on the loans was capped, or frozen altogether.

 

I don't know if it would work or not, but a lot of people my age are voting for socialists and looking for handouts because of the financial position they have been put in by the lies, predatory loans, and economy they were given. Throughout the recession people were graduating with high five figure to six figure debt (from a school they were told they had to go to in order to be successful), not getting jobs in their field, looking at an upside-down housing market with very little opportunity, and the interest the student loans were gaining was higher than what they could pay down in a month. Then they get blamed for moving back in with their parents. I do think capping or freezing the interest on these loans would actually impact the voting positions of a good portion of America. jmo.

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if your family isn't able to support your studies, and you aren't particularly interested in seriously studying then WTF R U doing thinking college would be a good thing

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Sounds an awful lot like all of those people who were ‘tricked’ into taking out loans for homes they couldn’t afford. Wait! In fact it’s EXACTLY like that! Less than 10 years later and the government has screwed up yet another loan program. Brilliant!

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sorry Joe, you were a decent option for the Party, but that shipped has sailed and the way they have set up a demand for a candidate to be ideologically pure in act and thought will make it impossible for you

 

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