Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) Im not blaming the refs for this one and I don’t like to blame refs for loses ... but one thing has me perplexed... The NFL has been cracking down on violent plays... so much so that the game is being watered down sometimes... Hits to the head, defenseless receiver etc Tre White was called for hitting a defenseless receiver last week on a clean hit... how the heck is the hit on Benjamin not on a defenseless receiver or helmet to helmet .. pisses me off when they call that consistently against us (Ha Has helmet was the first thing to hit Benjamin, that isn’t incidental... incidental would be him striking him in the chest and having his helmet rise up and strike helmet. Benjamin was clearly a defenseless receiver and struck in head: Defenseless Receiver rule says auto first down: Helmet to Helmet rule says INT stands but 15 yards after play) either way a flag could’ve been thrown Edited October 1, 2018 by Buffalo716 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Clinton- Dix was going for the ball, which he has as much right to as the WR. The contact wasn’t intentional, so you’ll rarely get a call on that type of contact . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Clinton- Dix was going for the ball, which he has as much right to as the WR. The contact wasn’t intentional, so you’ll rarely get a call on that type of contact . Yes he has the right but you still CANNOT make helmet contact even if unintended Edited September 30, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Im not blaming the refs for this one and I don’t like to blame refs for loses ... but one thing has me perplexed... The NFL has been cracking down on violent plays... so much so that the game is being watered down sometimes... Hits to the head, defenseless receiver etc Tre White was called for hitting a defenseless receiver last week on a clean hit... how the heck is the hit on Benjamin not on a defenseless receiver... pisses me off when they call that consistently against us It was HORRIBLE today!! The hit on Benjamin was case in point!! Hughes got held ALL DAY. And the pick routes that the Packers employed were being called out by Fouts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valle78787878 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 what i hate is the retired refs on tv they always side with the on field refs and they are boring and suck why are they there NO ONE CARES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yes he has the right but you still CANNOT make helmet contact even if unintended It was incidental contact, and the correct non-call. Watch Clinton-Dix on the replay. He was looking back at the QB and the ball when he caught it; Benjamin was off to his side and I'm sure the "hit" surprised C.D. as much as it surprised Benjamin. Basically both players moved into the same space at the same time in an effort to catch the football, while neither player was concerned about what the other was doing or where they were. That was the correct non-call and I think most officials would see it that way. As an aside, I think officiating in the NFL is the worst in all of N.American major league sports, and this game today in particular was very poorly called. But I don't have an issue with the play you draw attention to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yes he has the right but you still CANNOT make helmet contact even if unintended You can if it’s incidental..Kind of like when a dB and wr get their feet tangled up. If both players are trying to catch the pass and they collide, whose fault is it ? Fwiw Kelso thought it was a good no call. Edited September 30, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Playing the ball, not the player. There are a lot of mystifying calls today - Mayfield drew a roughing call that was the most petty thing I've ever seen. But the Benjamin call wasn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty the Dustmop Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Why have instant replay when it clearly showed Allens knee down and then the ball comes out, many missed holding calls and a facemask or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, Fadingpain said: It was incidental contact, and the correct non-call. Watch Clinton-Dix on the replay. He was looking back at the QB and the ball when he caught it; Benjamin was off to his side and I'm sure the "hit" surprised C.D. as much as it surprised Benjamin. Basically both players moved into the same space at the same time in an effort to catch the football, while neither player was concerned about what the other was doing or where they were. That was the correct non-call and I think most officials would see it that way. As an aside, I think officiating in the NFL is the worst in all of N.American major league sports, and this game today in particular was very poorly called. But I don't have an issue with the play you draw attention to. There have been way less egregious ones called Consistency. They have none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Clinton- Dix was going for the ball, which he has as much right to as the WR. The contact wasn’t intentional, so you’ll rarely get a call on that type of contact . SO, just look at the ball and a CB can go right through a WR now legally for it? That WR is more subjective to injury than the one who knows he will most likely get smacked after securing the ball and turning up field to gain yards. Making a play for the ball is fine but going head first into a WR is not and should easily draw a flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Matty the Dustmop said: Why have instant replay when it clearly showed Allens knee down and then the ball comes out, many missed holding calls and a facemask or two Looked like the ball was moving before the knee was down. Not enough evidence to overturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I didn't see a penalty there on KB... ... But some of the most egregious holds I've ever seen not called, especially on Hughes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 They just butchered the 4th quarter for the Browns. It's getting hard to take this league seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 egregious overturn in Oakland that cost Cleveland a win in regulation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: You can if it’s incidental..Kind of like when a dB and wr get their feet tangled up. If both players are trying to catch the pass and they collide, whose fault is it ? Fwiw Kelso thought it was a good no call. If they can call Tre for hitting a defenseless receiver last week they need consistency on head shots and defenseless receivers Allen was down... fumble... they have no consistency Edited September 30, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Clinton- Dix was going for the ball, which he has as much right to as the WR. The contact wasn’t intentional, so you’ll rarely get a call on that type of contact . I agree. It looked like a clean play. He wasn't trying to hit the WR at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmanfreek Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 We also caught a break on the Allen flop when the player took his helmet off even though ours pushed a guy. Of course we did nothing with that break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: If they can call Tre for hitting a defenseless receiver last week they need consistency Allen was down... fumble... they have no consistency Tre White was making a tackle after a ball was caught by a WR. not going for the ball . Totally different. As for the fumble, it was called a fumble on the field and it appeared the ball was moving prior to the knee going down. If they had called it no fumble, it wouldn’t have been overturned by replay either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 HGH Sebastian Bach did a good job campaigning the last few weeks, so GB got all the benefits of the doubt this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I was more concerned about the HO!D oh Hughes on Rogers scramble, thempick on first TD and the many other holds by the GB OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Tre White was making a tackle after a ball was caught by a WR. not going for the ball . Totally different. As for the fumble, it was called a fumble on the field and it appeared the ball was moving prior to the knee going down. If they had called it no fumble, it wouldn’t have been overturned by replay either. I understand the play was different... tre didn’t hit a defenseless receiver and they called it Theu have no accountability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 I have a strong belief they were told to ease up on calls this week. There weren’t any roughing penalties through 330 pm in any game. There were holds all over the line all day and nothing was called. They need to find a happy medium. I like letting em play but jeeze some of the lack of calls were so obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Im not blaming the refs for this one and I don’t like to blame refs for loses ... but one thing has me perplexed... The NFL has been cracking down on violent plays... so much so that the game is being watered down sometimes... Hits to the head, defenseless receiver etc Tre White was called for hitting a defenseless receiver last week on a clean hit... how the heck is the hit on Benjamin not on a defenseless receiver or helmet to helmet .. pisses me off when they call that consistently against us AMEN. The other call that completely pissed me off was the Allen "fumble". It was pretty durn clear his knees were down and he still had a grip on the ball from the angle shown on TV. Both the Packers D and the Bills O thought that would be overturned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I understand the play was different... tre didn’t hit a defenseless receiver and they called it Theu have no accountability Tre did. Both feet weren’t down yet. it helps immensely when you include clips in threads like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Tre White was making a tackle after a ball was caught by a WR. not going for the ball . Totally different. As for the fumble, it was called a fumble on the field and it appeared the ball was moving prior to the knee going down. If they had called it no fumble, it wouldn’t have been overturned by replay either. Exactly. Tre White was making a tackle after the ball was caught and the WR was no longer a defenseless receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I understand the play was different... tre didn’t hit a defenseless receiver and they called it Theu have no accountability They called White for helmet to helmet contact , not for a hit on a defenseless player. The helmet to helmet wasn’t intentional, but if the defender initiates the contact intentionally ( he did) it’s going to get a flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Tre did. Both feet weren’t down yet. it helps immensely when you include clips in threads like this. For any CB just blow the receiver up anyway you can if you can get a hand on it = it's legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Officiating is a large part of why i have not watched much nfl since mid season last year. I think the bills get screwed regularly( that is likely my fandom speaking)but last year the favortism shown the Pats* was ridiculous. My father inlaw -who became a Pats* fan since i got married in 2001- tried to explain to me why calls were correct and made up reasons based on what could not be seen. I realized that he might be right and officials might be basing calls on expectations over what they see which is a huge problem. I truly think theNFL does not care about officiating right now and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, valle78787878 said: what i hate is the retired refs on tv they always side with the on field refs and they are boring and suck why are they there NO ONE CARES I wholeheartedly agree. Too be honest, I think it's even worse if they don't agree with the call on the field. What happens then?? It only pisses off the fans of the team getting screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: For any CB just blow the receiver up anyway you can if you can get a hand on it = it's legal Nah, good no call. Look at the position of the dB relative to the WR. If the roles are reversed, and that’s Tre White on a Packers WR, I want White making that INT. That was anybody’s ball , as the DB wasn’t behind the WR he was across from him. Think of the Pats DB vs SEA in the Super Bowl a few years ago. There was a lot of contact, but no call as he was making a play on the ball from the side of the WR, not behind him. Edited October 1, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Huhes was held, held, held all day long. No fumble by Allen and the ref stopped the clock at the end of the first half when the GB receiver was backing out of bounds... to name a few. Oh, and Hughes was held... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: For any CB just blow the receiver up anyway you can if you can get a hand on it = it's legal The rule does state inadvertent should not be flagged- so that would mean the call should only happen when a dude is acting like Burfect- which is seldom- but the call happens a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Nah, good no call. Look at the position of the dB relative to the WR. If the roles are reversed, and that’s Tre White on a Packers WR, I want White making that INT. That was anybody’s ball , as the DB wasn’t behind the WR he was across from him. Whatever, I'm fine with it. if your a CB just light the WR up making sure you get a hand on it is all. If it's this away across the NFL consistently without flags I'm fine with it. Edited October 1, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Refs are bad all over the NFL, today it was terrible in GB. They got away with everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Whatever, I'm fine with it. if your a CB just light the WR up making sure you get a hand on it is all. If it's this away across the NFL consistently without flags I'm fine with it. It all depends where the DB is coming from in the play. If Clinton Dix is behind Benjamin and tries to run through him , that would get a flag every time. A ball in the air and you’re playing centerfield ? Not going to get called if you’re playing the ball and not the man. Edited October 1, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Change the spot on the Browns game. Bull crap tv shows holding and refs don’t see it. It is a lot of bad and in consistent calls. Only way to straighten it out is to fine the Refs. Make them pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: They called White for helmet to helmet contact , not for a hit on a defenseless player. The helmet to helmet wasn’t intentional, but if the defender initiates the contact intentionally ( he did) it’s going to get a flag. https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLFootballOps/status/1043938488868048897 from official NFL operations says it was defenseless receiver not helmet to helmet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 48 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Clinton- Dix was going for the ball, which he has as much right to as the WR. The contact wasn’t intentional, so you’ll rarely get a call on that type of contact . bull ****...led to/ went for helmet to helmet..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: AMEN. The other call that completely pissed me off was the Allen "fumble". It was pretty durn clear his knees were down and he still had a grip on the ball from the angle shown on TV. Both the Packers D and the Bills O thought that would be overturned. That was a joke of a call... my father was just laughing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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