The Rosen Era Has Begun in Arizona

[26CornerBlitz]

Go worship Nathan Peterman who you thought was going to be good. That's your Quarterback.  ? You know nothing.

 

1 minute ago, Bill_with_it said:

No i watched the gamed. Doesnt matter when I came to the thread. A handfull of good throws and 180/1 isnt a very good game doesnt matter how much you crusade it. Yeah they had a big drop. Every qb has wrs that misses drops passes including our very own team. The cardinals defense gave that offense every opportunity to win and ultimately a Rosen led offense couldnt do it. The hawks went 0/10 on third downs. 

Look I dont know what your attempting to do but. That wasnt a very good game by Rosen.

 

You say that, but it was widely acclaimed as an excellent game by him and it was.  Bill with it!

Edited October 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Bill_with_it]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Go worship Nathan Peterman who you thought was going to be good. That's your Quarterback.  ? You know nothing.

 

 

You say that, but it was widely acclaimed as an excellent game by him and it was.  Bill with it!

No it wasnt and to imply it was is truly a show of ones integrity in a bad way. Goodbye.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

No it wasnt and to imply it was is truly a show of ones integrity in a bad way. Goodbye.

 

 

Don't hate!  Appreciate.

 

Make sure you tell Andy Benoit, Gary Gramling, and many others that they have no integrity. 

Edited October 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, no name said:

the defense of another teams rookie QB is probably a worse obsession then jeffmagics over his boy mahomes.

 

 

 

 

 

I think its funny to watch a member squirm in envy and obsess over the arizona cardinals rookie QB, real funny.

 

 

Especially when Arizona themselves were "heartbroken" they had to settle for Rosen when they wanted Allen.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Especially when Arizona themselves were "heartbroken" they had to settle for Rosen when they wanted Allen.

 

I remember when the Eagles wanted Perry Tuttle, but had to settle for Mike Quick after the Bills traded up to jump them. 

[PIZ]

So are we all good knowing that we got the better Josh (Allen), and that Josh (Rosen) is going to be the worst of all the 1st round QBs taken in the 2018 draft?

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, PIZ said:

So are we all good knowing that we got the better Josh (Allen), and that Josh (Rosen) is going to be the worst of all the 1st round QBs taken in the 2018 draft?

 

Based on what criteria?

[Alphadawg7]

47 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Boxscore scouting again.  Look at the actual game and the throws that were made in post after post in this thread. 

 

I watched the full game that week, I didn’t box score check.  And I’ve seen the over exaggerated twitter posts you keep posting to sell your narrative.  

 

So once again, you guys are simply trying to force a narrative because of 1 game 6 weeks ago while ignoring he’s only gotten worse since to the point he’s reached Peterman lows and got his OC fired...and he has a much better cast of players around him on that offense compared to a Allen. 

 

I could care less what a few people say on Twitter, his game was NOT very impressive.  Great, a QB in the NFL made a couple good throws in a rather underwhelming game...big deal.  You guys are still sore we didn’t draft him and trying to force a narrative.  Had he been a Bill, he would already be labeled a bust based on how he’s played over the SEASON so far.

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I watched the full game that week, I didn’t box score check.  And I’ve seen the over exaggerated twitter posts you keep posting to sell your narrative.  

 

So once again, you guys are simply trying to force a narrative because of 1 game 6 weeks ago while ignoring he’s only gotten worse since to the point he’s reached Peterman lows and got his OC fired...and he has a much better cast of players around him on that offense compared to a Allen. 

 

I could care less what a few people say on Twitter, his game was NOT very impressive.  Great, a QB in the NFL made a couple good throws in a rather underwhelming game...big deal.  You guys are still sore we didn’t draft him and trying to force a narrative.  Had he been a Bill, he would already be labeled a bust based on how he’s played over the SEASON so far.

 

The easiest game for a rookie QB to look good in is their first game.  Literally no tape out there and DC's have to basically guess at what he will and won't do well.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

This is freaking comedic 

 

What an agenda 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I watched the full game that week, I didn’t box score check.  And I’ve seen the over exaggerated twitter posts you keep posting to sell your narrative.  

 

So once again, you guys are simply trying to force a narrative because of 1 game 6 weeks ago while ignoring he’s only gotten worse since to the point he’s reached Peterman lows and got his OC fired...and he has a much better cast of players around him on that offense compared to a Allen. 

 

I could care less what a few people say on Twitter, his game was NOT very impressive.  Great, a QB in the NFL made a couple good throws in a rather underwhelming game...big deal.  You guys are still sore we didn’t draft him and trying to force a narrative.  Had he been a Bill, he would already be labeled a bust based on how he’s played over the SEASON so far.

 

First of all it was week 4 when he started and Mike McCoy got himself fired as he's now done three times in two years with three different teams. Just like Allen, Rosen has a bad supporting cast that has gotten worse with OL injuries that have both starting guards shelved.  In previous games he was able to step up in the pocket when pressured, but with the OL getting overwhelmed that has gone away.

 

His 1st start was impressive to me with great throw after throw all game long with excellent decision making and accuracy with good pocket mobility and cool under pressure.  Your characterization of his play is disingenuous at best.  The All-22 links tell the story even if you don't want to. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

Seems like a combination of a spamming campaign & a crusade.  I thought those things weren't allowed here. Guess I was wrong.

they aren't allowed 

 

So from what he  just posted about Rosen didn’t start til game 4

 

He has fewer games and more INTs.  

And it’s the coaches fault?

And the OLines fault

And it’s the surrounding talents fault?

 

 

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

they aren't allowed 

 

So from what he  just posted about Rosen didn’t start til game 4

 

He has fewer games and more INTs.  

And it’s the coaches fault?

And the OLines fault

And it’s the surrounding talents fault?

 

 

 

 

and your point is?

[PIZ]

26 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Based on what criteria?

 

Simple logic that Josh Allen is better than Josh Rosen and that Rosen sucks.  Ask any Cardinal's fan who they would rather have.  Ask their coaches or front office.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, PIZ said:

Simple logic that Josh Allen is better than Josh Rosen and that Rosen sucks.  Ask any Cardinal's fan who they would rather have.  Ask their coaches or front office.

 

Compelling, convincing, and clear evidence. Well done.

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, PIZ said:

 

Simple logic that Josh Allen is better than Josh Rosen and that Rosen sucks.  Ask any Cardinal's fan who they would rather have.  Ask their coaches or front office.

 

 

Go to there message boards. Many are saying the first thing they should do is  loose the rest of the games and the next thing they should do is draft a new QB. we are not saying that... yet..

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

they aren't allowed 

 

So from what he  just posted about Rosen didn’t start til game 4

 

He has fewer games and more INTs.  

And it’s the coaches fault?

And the OLines fault

And it’s the surrounding talents fault?

 

 

 

 

 

Ha exactly.  As I originally said, there is now way to know who will have a better career yet, way too early for that.  But man, some people just can’t let go we didn’t draft Rosen.  He’s only gotten worse and would kill to have a game like Allen did against the Vikes.

 

1.  Allen - more games, less INTs.

2.  Allen has the best game between them so far (Vikes).

3.  Rosen has the worst game between them, and only Peterman has been worse.

4.  Rosen is a Cardinal, Allen is a Bill.  So who gives 2 s**ts about Rosen, Go Allen.

[Bobby Hooks]

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

and your point is?

With so many arguments against,

one would think the crusader would give up. 

 

One against how many?  

You have to know when to give up. 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Ha exactly.  As I originally said, there is now way to know who will have a better career yet, way too early for that.  But man, some people just can’t let go we didn’t draft Rosen.  He’s only gotten worse and would kill to have a game like Allen did against the Vikes.

 

1.  Allen - more games, less INTs.

2.  Allen has the best game between them so far (Vikes).

3.  Rosen has the worst game between them, and only Peterman has been worse.

4.  Rosen is a Cardinal, Allen is a Bill.  So who gives 2 s**ts about Rosen, Go Allen.

 

The best game? no. Allen had one pretty good half of football in that game before the Bills shut things down in the 2nd half. Thereafter he was pretty bad in GB, against TEN, and struggled further in HOU although he mixed in a couple of impressive throws including the one he was injured on.  Most of his best plays have been made with his legs as shown in MIN and against TEN.  I watch football all across the league and that includes keeping tabs on Allen's peers from the '18 draft.  Lots of insecurity here on TSW. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I could care less what a few people say on Twitter, his game was NOT very impressive.  Great, a QB in the NFL made a couple good throws in a rather underwhelming game...big deal.  You guys are still sore we didn’t draft him and trying to force a narrative.  Had he been a Bill, he would already be labeled a bust based on how he’s played over the SEASON so far.

 

There are a lot of people here who don’t care to read a multitude of tweets by media hacks.  Yet, we are forced to see them by the dozens day after day after day.

 

 

And yes I have posted tweets, but 99.9 of them are from the Bills or Bills players and GMFB.  (Kay) 

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

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[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

The best game? no. Allen had one pretty good half of football in that game before the Bills shut things down in the 2nd half. 

Blame the coaches for backing off with a 3 TD lead.  

 

Why take risks passing the ball.  Play safe and protect the lead. 

 

Simple logic

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

  I watch football all across the league and that includes keeping tabs on Allen's peers from the '18 draft.  Lots of insecurity here on TSW. 

Pot calls kettle black.

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, Bill_with_it said:

No it wasnt and to imply it was is truly a show of ones integrity in a bad way. Goodbye.

What is this word integrity?

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said:

What is this word integrity?

 

I believe integrity refers to an old wooden ship used during the revolutionary war.

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

they aren't allowed 

 

So from what he  just posted about Rosen didn’t start til game 4

 

He has fewer games and more INTs.  

And it’s the coaches fault?

And the OLines fault

And it’s the surrounding talents fault?

 

 

 

 

Well, it certainly cannot be a simple case of someone needing to denegrate a specific player whilst campaigning hard for another, can it? That type of person would seem to be extremely self centered and lacking in maturity.

[Teddy KGB]

41 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I believe integrity refers to an old wooden ship used during the revolutionary war.

 

The integrity faded fast when the monitor and merrimac started making waves 

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You obviously didn't watch. Another late comer to the thread since Thursday. 

LAte comer or new comer, this thread is degenerating into Off The Rails territory.  Lay off the personal jibes and talk football or down she goes.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

LAte comer or new comer, this thread is degenerating into Off The Rails territory.  Lay off the personal jibes and talk football or down she goes.

 

That's exactly what I'd like to do is discuss the merits based on actual game play.

[Fred Clause]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The best game? no. Allen had one pretty good half of football in that game before the Bills shut things down in the 2nd half. Thereafter he was pretty bad in GB, against TEN, and struggled further in HOU although he mixed in a couple of impressive throws including the one he was injured on.  Most of his best plays have been made with his legs as shown in MIN and against TEN.  I watch football all across the league and that includes keeping tabs on Allen's peers from the '18 draft.  Lots of insecurity here on TSW. 

He didn’t struggle in Houston, did you even watch the game? They limited hat they had him doing till later in the game but to say he was struggling is just lying...

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Fred Clause said:

He didn’t struggle in Houston, did you even watch the game? They limited hat they had him doing till later in the game but to say he was struggling is just lying...

 

Lying?  That's a strong word to use with no evidence.  His 1st throw of the game was in the dirt to a wide open receiver.  He came on late with a couple of really good throws to Benjamin with one being wiped out by penalty. But he struggled for most of the game with the Texans playing a lot of coverage looks that confused him. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

But he struggled for most of the game with the Texans playing a lot of coverage looks that confused him. 

Which is subjective and not “real” proof.  

What’s not subjective 

six sacks, three interceptions and two defensive touchdowns, the first coming on the second play of the game.

 

Yeah it began and began poorly 

[Fadingpain]

These petty arguments about whether or not Allen is any good will fade with the passage of time.

 

Not too many folks around here still arguing in support of Fitz, EJ, or Tyrod for that matter.

 

Best QB we've had for a long time is Kyle Orton!

 

Man, that's like a kick in the balls and punch in the gut at the same time.

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

4 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

These petty arguments about whether or not Allen is any good will fade with the passage of time.

 

Not too many folks around here still arguing in support of Fitz, EJ, or Tyrod for that matter.

 

Best QB we've had for a long time is Kyle Orton!

 

Man, that's like a kick in the balls and punch in the gut at the same time.

 

 

They wont fade till the Bills start winning consistently  Fans have been arguing about the qb here ever since Kelly hung it up.Its just getting uglier with each qb change. Even if Allen puts a few solid games together all it will take is a loss and the haters will be right back out commiserating about whichever qb is hot that we passed on

[downunderbill]

12 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

These petty arguments about whether or not Allen is any good will fade with the passage of time.

 

 

 

That's a bit rich coming from you.

[Success]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The best game? no. Allen had one pretty good half of football in that game before the Bills shut things down in the 2nd half. Thereafter he was pretty bad in GB, against TEN, and struggled further in HOU although he mixed in a couple of impressive throws including the one he was injured on.  Most of his best plays have been made with his legs as shown in MIN and against TEN.  I watch football all across the league and that includes keeping tabs on Allen's peers from the '18 draft.  Lots of insecurity here on TSW. 

It’s not insecurity.  It’s the complete lack of understanding by many fans that all rookie QBs are works in progress and need time.

 

There was a huge “Allen is a bust” contingent here last week, citing a few nice throws Rosen made and saying we picked the wrong Josh.  They’re a wee bit quieter now, which is a very welcome development.

 

We won’t know who picked the “wrong Josh” for 2-3 years.  Maybe neither team did, or maybe both did.  But the laments that we weren’t seeing progress from Allen 5 games in were absurd, as though progress with rookies is measured from one throw to the next.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Success said:

It’s not insecurity.  It’s the complete lack of understanding by many fans that all rookie QBs are works in progress and need time.

 

There was a huge “Allen is a bust” contingent here last week, citing a few nice throws Rosen made and saying we picked the wrong Josh.  They’re a wee bit quieter now, which is a very welcome development.

 

We won’t know who picked the “wrong Josh” for 2-3 years.  Maybe neither team did, or maybe both did.  But the laments that we weren’t seeing progress from Allen 5 games in were absurd, as though progress with rookies is measured from one throw to the next.

?

 

I would say I’ve seen progress then some rookie mistakes followed by more progress followed by mistakes followed by progress 

 

what is what people typically see

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

It’s not insecurity.  It’s the complete lack of understanding by many fans that all rookie QBs are works in progress and need time.

 

There was a huge “Allen is a bust” contingent here last week, citing a few nice throws Rosen made and saying we picked the wrong Josh.  They’re a wee bit quieter now, which is a very welcome development.

 

We won’t know who picked the “wrong Josh” for 2-3 years.  Maybe neither team did, or maybe both did.  But the laments that we weren’t seeing progress from Allen 5 games in were absurd, as though progress with rookies is measured from one throw to the next.

 

There are very few here saying Allen is a bust and I'm certainly not among them.  It's been obvious from the beginning that he would need time as I have said from the onset. Fair or unfair he's playing football in the NFL as a starter so his shortcomings will be scrutinized to death. That's the way it is in the NFL so there's no sense in crying about it. 

[Teddy KGB]

16 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Fair or unfair he's playing football in the NFL as a starter so his shortcomings will be scrutinized to death. That's the way it is in the NFL so there's no sense in crying about it. 

 

So when’s the part where you scrutinize Rosen for his Nate Peterman impression ? 

 

 

16 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

These petty arguments about whether or not Allen is any good will fade with the passage of time.

 

 

 

Are you gonna fade when he plays well ?