PromoTheRobot Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) What's more embarrassing? A 17-year playoff drought or not winning a football game for 2 years? Discuss. Edited September 21, 2018 by PromoTheRobot Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 The Browns fans celebrated winning one meaningless Thursday night game against a bad team the same way we celebrated breaking the playoff drought. I think that says everything about which is worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 FFS...Lets have a better poll!.....What is the over under for self pity/wrong choice/bad decision threads started over the course of the season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 17 YEARS The time from birth to being able to drive. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottaRun Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 We had moments of hope and excitement along the way. The Browns had pure sadness. I'll take our drought over theirs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Being (this is just a number for a reference point *) 8-8 on average over 17 years is far better than being (*)4-11 annually and having 2 wins, 1 tie in 35 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, driddles said: We had moments of hope and excitement along the way. The Browns had pure sadness. I'll take our drought over theirs. Right...because we had zero moments of pure sadness during our 17 year journey.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottaRun Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: Right...because we had zero moments of pure sadness during our 17 year journey.... We had moments, they had 2 straight years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 With FA and the parity in the NFL, it's got to be the 17 year playoff drought. The NFL rewards you for being crap by giving you high draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 0-32 is way better than 17 years of 8-8. 8-8 is the path of good intentions that leads to such a long drought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 The 17 year drought, not even close. 2 year losing streak gets your Baker Mayfield & Myles Garrett. 17 year drought means you can't even get losing right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, sleeby said: 0-32 is way better than 17 years of 8-8. 8-8 is the path of good intentions that leads to such a long drought I completely agree with this. Now that the NFL has stopped punishing teams by making them give top draft picks outrageous contracts, I think it's absolutely a viable strategy to completely bottom out for two years, add two loaded draft classes, flush out your cap from overpaid players who won't be around when you are good, aggressively add talent in FA and load up a team around a QB on a rookie deal. The Eagles didn't completely bottom out but they've been able to add a ton of talent around Wentz due to his cheap contract. The Seahawks were one of the first to do it when Wilson was cheap. The Rams are enjoying the the fruits now and the Browns have positioned themselves for a similar run. That's my hope of what McBeane is trying to accomplish. The Star contract seems to fly in the face of that type of plan though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) The browns also have a current 16 year playoff drought which includes their winless streak, much worse Edit: I chose the 2 year losing streak as I thought the question was implying which situation would you rather have the Browns or the Bills (for the last 17 years) if we are just speaking free of that, I would change my answer to the 17 year drought as being worse as its a much longer sustained period of sadness Edited September 21, 2018 by Bray Wyatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, 416BillsFan said: The 17 year drought, not even close. 2 year losing streak gets your Baker Mayfield & Myles Garrett. 17 year drought means you can't even get losing right. The Browns have a 15 year drought of their own. Lets not pretend they were clicking along as a playoff team then hit the reset button. That being said, I don't know that "it felt better" is the right way to put it, but most of the last 17 years the Bills were pretty much irrelevant while the Browns were the butt of jokes. That's the number one thing that seems to have flipped recently. We've replaced the Browns as the butt of jokes now, it's making last years playoff run feel like it was 5 years ago already and constant Bills jokes have nearly ruined several podcasts I usually enjoy. Basically I'd rather be irrelevant than mocked. 17 years of 8-8 gets you ignored, 2 years of 1-31 gets you laughed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: The browns also have a current 16 year playoff drought which includes their winless streak, much worse Edit: I chose the 2 year losing streak as I thought the question was implying which situation would you rather have the Browns or the Bills (for the last 17 years) if we are just speaking free of that, I would change my answer to the 17 year drought as being worse as its a much longer sustained period of sadness And something like 22 years w/o a playoff win Edited September 21, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 This place is ridiculous. The Browns have 1 playoff appearance since coming back into the league, have now won 2 games in the last 3 seasons and you can probably only count on one hand the amount of winning seasons they have had since being brought back (that's including 8-8 years) all while playing in a division that has had the winner of it rotated around the other 3 teams. The Bill's have been a mediocre team over that 17 year span with mostly 7-9 to 9-7 finishes in a division that's been dominated by one team. In that same time span, how many times have the Jets or Dolphins made the playoffs? Sure you get to draft at the top if you have a winless season, but how was that working out for the Browns before this? It's funny how Bill's fans always have to feel like they have it the worst. How about the Lions, they have a winless season a playoff drought going and IIRC, have not won a playoff game since the early 90s? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: This place is ridiculous. The Browns have 1 playoff appearance since coming back into the league, have now won 2 games in the last 3 seasons and you can probably only count on one hand the amount of winning seasons they have had since being brought back (that's including 8-8 years) all while playing in a division that has had the winner of it rotated around the other 3 teams. The Bill's have been a mediocre team over that 17 year span with mostly 7-9 to 9-7 finishes in a division that's been dominated by one team. In that same time span, how many times have the Jets or Dolphins made the playoffs? Sure you get to draft at the top if you have a winless season, but how was that working out for the Browns before this? It's funny how Bill's fans always have to feel like they have it the worst. How about the Lions, they have a winless season a playoff drought going and IIRC, have not won a playoff game since the early 90s? I agree with the overall idea of your post, just wanted to say Detroit does not have a playoff drought going, Stafford is 0-3 in the playoffs though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Not to mention the Brown don’t face cheating Belicheat and Brady twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Not to mention the Brown don’t face cheating Belicheat and Brady twice a year. True but our NE is their Pitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: True but our NE is their Pitt I thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: True but our NE is their Pitt I dont know, that division doesnt really have that one dominant team like the AFC East, but it might be just as tough cause they have 3 really good other teams that are typically fighting each other for the top spot. The AFC East is a one team show where maybe you get another team that might squeak into a wildcard position, but never usually fighting for the division crown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: I dont know, that division doesnt really have that one dominant team like the AFC East, but it might be just as tough cause they have 3 really good other teams that are typically fighting each other for the top spot. The AFC East is a one team show where maybe you get another team that might squeak into a wildcard position, but never usually fighting for the division crown. I agree, I meant more of like a guaranteed two losses for them each year, I forget what their record is against them, but it is similar to ours against NE was my point. But you are right, they have a 3 team race whereas ours is just NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 17 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 so, my choices are....my team stinks....or my team stinks.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 41 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: This place is ridiculous. The Browns have 1 playoff appearance since coming back into the league, have now won 2 games in the last 3 seasons and you can probably only count on one hand the amount of winning seasons they have had since being brought back (that's including 8-8 years) all while playing in a division that has had the winner of it rotated around the other 3 teams. The Bill's have been a mediocre team over that 17 year span with mostly 7-9 to 9-7 finishes in a division that's been dominated by one team. In that same time span, how many times have the Jets or Dolphins made the playoffs? Sure you get to draft at the top if you have a winless season, but how was that working out for the Browns before this? It's funny how Bill's fans always have to feel like they have it the worst. How about the Lions, they have a winless season a playoff drought going and IIRC, have not won a playoff game since the early 90s? The patriots are not the problem though. 7-9, 8-8 and almost always 9-7 is the problem. We couldn't get the 10 or 11 wins needed to get into the playoffs. What the pats were up to was not what was holding us out for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 At least the team gets rewarded with high picks when you're on a 2 year losing streak. Also, it's only two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: What's more embarrassing? A 17-year playoff drought or not winning a football game for 2 years? Discuss. Great topic PTR!! I went with the 2 years but it is a good discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 years or 17 years? Seriously guys? 2 years of zero wins gets you Myles Garrett and Lil Bakes. 7-9 every year gets you mckelvin, Maybin, Donte, Gilmore, lynch, We might not win a game this year, then we’ll get a bounty for the pick or Bosa/Oliver. If we do it again next year, we get another haul, then we’re good to go. I think the browns are about to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, nucci said: so, my choices are....my team stinks....or my team stinks.... You'll choose one and LIKE it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: You'll choose one and LIKE it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: The Browns have a 15 year drought of their own. Lets not pretend they were clicking along as a playoff team then hit the reset button. That being said, I don't know that "it felt better" is the right way to put it, but most of the last 17 years the Bills were pretty much irrelevant while the Browns were the butt of jokes. That's the number one thing that seems to have flipped recently. We've replaced the Browns as the butt of jokes now, it's making last years playoff run feel like it was 5 years ago already and constant Bills jokes have nearly ruined several podcasts I usually enjoy. Basically I'd rather be irrelevant than mocked. 17 years of 8-8 gets you ignored, 2 years of 1-31 gets you laughed at. That's fair. Personally, I don't mind the Bills being the butt of jokes right now because they deserve it and I'm still optimistic for the future (high picks, cap space). The proof will be how they capitalize going forward. But for the time being, the end of the drought has let me relax and enjoy tolerate the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, 416BillsFan said: That's fair. Personally, I don't mind the Bills being the butt of jokes right now because they deserve it and I'm still optimistic for the future (high picks, cap space). The proof will be how they capitalize going forward. But for the time being, the end of the drought has let me relax and enjoy tolerate the ride. I'm all-in on Tank 2.0 because perpetual 7 to 9 wins isn't getting it done. And if it leads to getting the opportunity to build the roster with top-end talent or trading back and stockpiling draft picks that's great. But that requires the team to make the right picks. I think these guys are up to the task. So I look towards next year. But the title of the thread might just as well be, gas chamber or electric chair, choose your method of execution. Edited September 21, 2018 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I'll admit it when I am wrong. Mayfield is legit! Also, shows why McBeane getting rid of TT was such the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Would I rather have my ? s set on ? or ripped off by a ???? ? Good topic but I’d don’t think it’s closer. The Browns have a lot of talent now because they were really bad. Last year, we got completely lucky and made the playoffs. It is almost insane in a salary cap league not to get lucky for 17 years. Winning between 6-9 games gets you nothing great. So as awful as both are, I’d rather go 2 years with a W than 17 years without the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Don't discount 58 years in the leauge an never winning a championship. That's nothing to sneeze at. It's almost like you've got to put effort into being that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 You're asking two different questions. Going winless for two years is definitely more embarrassing but no way is it worse, as a fan, than 17 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said: I'll admit it when I am wrong. Mayfield is legit! Also, shows why McBeane getting rid of TT was such the right move. It’s only the right move if Allen is the answer. Their replacement plan for Tyrod has sucked so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s only the right move if Allen is the answer. Their replacement plan for Tyrod has sucked so far. I'd rather go through watching allen develop or fail then see another snap from TT in a bills uniform. it was evident last night that beane made the right decision trading him and saving bills (although some still cling to him and make excuses) fans from anymore misery watching him in a bills uniform. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s only the right move if Allen is the answer. Their replacement plan for Tyrod has sucked so far. Biscuit my man, you are right to the extent that their plan has not necessarily worked out the way they wanted. Team was cash strapped by former administration and hoped to get a cheap FA QB (AJ) to teach the kid. That failed. Keeping TT does nothing for us this year even if Allen is not the answer. I'll take the draft capital instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Worth noting that we did not average 8-8 over this drought like people have said. We averaged 6.5 wins per season over that time. Only 2 or 3 seasons felt like we had a shot around thanksgiving, and that was quickly destroyed each time. I'd take the 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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