Is there any team in worse shape than the Bills?

[BigPappy]

11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I felt pretty good about the guys we had in charge after last year and I’m really starting to question it. I have to see how the defense looks this week. Not firing Fraiser was a mistake and if this defense still sucks Sunday, I might just be out here with McDermott. What happened the first 2 weeks on defense is inexcusable. If they want to keep Fraiser around, then McDermott better find away to fix it.

Why fire Frasier? It's not a scheme or coaching issue when you defense overall lacks talent. There are a few high performers, but the rest are mediocre at best. When your best defensive linemen is over 30 and ready to retire there isn't a lot to work with. Other than Williams, the line gets hardly any push and can't control; the LOS. How do you expect the LB's and DB to do when the QB has all day to throw and the OL is controlling the LOS. I'm saying it now, firing Frasier is not the answer, and I will go as far as saying firing him would be a huge mistake.

[Klaista2k]

I think the Bills have to be the worst.

 

-Terrible offensive line

-Can't run the ball at all

-Probably the worst receiving core in the league

-The Defense is a joke... Can't stop anybody

-We have a rookie QB who most experts project will be bust

 

God it is really bad. 

[teef]

so...do people just enjoy getting together and acting like sad sacks in a thread like this?  what's the appeal here?

29 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Next year 10 draft picks and $100m in cap room.   Potential franchise qb coming into second year.   

Thats the opposite of bad shape.  Did you expect a turnaround after 1 season?

i remember the browns being in a similar situation a few years ago, (minus having the qb in place) and everyone saying they would love to be in that position.  well...here we are.  i don't know how this will turn out, but i think we all had a fairly good idea this was coming.  i didn't think it would be this bad, but still not a shocker.

[Radar]

No. Bills worst shape. #1 pick almost ours in next draft. We'll start seeing if our GM has what's needed to build a team from bottom up. This year hopefully seeing whether Allen has what it takes to be franchise quarterback.

[nedboy7]

Cap space sure knows how to score points. Put a helmet on him!  That’s how pathetic this is.  We are the worst team and people are excited about cap space. Oh and the draft. Cause that will give us an edge no one has.  

Edited September 18, 2018 by nedboy7

[sleeby]

8 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

So a really bad record. Cool I love watching the worst team I've ever seen.

Ya know, I was telling my son this on Sunday, it's better than watching the 10th worst team in the league every week.  I mean, at the very least the chargers first half was like an offensive highlight reel.  Everyone on that squad looked great displaying their skills.  Ha.  And we have a light at then end of the tunnel. . .with some luck needed as always.

[teef]

28 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

If you haven't noticed, a lot of fans here don't know what they are talking about...

i find that's a life thing, not necessarily having to do with football.

[row_33]

Raiders easily

 

Gruden, who didn't say anything worthwhile on a MNF broadcast for 12(?) years, has totally destroyed the franchise, making it even worse than before.

 

he has no clue what he is doing in any aspect of life, going a manic million miles an hour all the while

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I never liked the Giants decision to take the RB instead of the QB.... Probably felt pressure from Eli and that he might cry if they took a QB in the first. 

 

Still, they will win games this year eventually. They have tough schedule of games to start the year. Offensive line is still a mess and I think Eli is on his last legs but they'll win 6 to 8 games this year, IMO. Too much talent offensively.

 

LOL  (in bold)

 

It was strange that they went RB and not QB when they clearly have a need in 1 or 2 seasons 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

The Browns suck.  They are doomed until they get a new HC.  Historically bad coach.

 

Bills do have maybe the 2 worst Coordinators...

I agree with your Browns assessment. The Bills position coaches are the ones I question 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

10 hours ago, Pete said:

between the Sabres and Bills I am all tanked out.  I guess tanking beats mediocrity.  And the future does look bright for the Bills and Allen

 

Fair enough although I don't think this is a tank, I just don't think we have enough talent yet at some key positions to compete but it's getting better imo. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea.

 

They made a mistake, IMO. You can't take a RB number 2 overall in today's NFL.... even worse considering the QB class. Jets may make the Giants look like fools in a couple years.

It may only take a few months 

 

 

[ngbills]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

Raiders easily

 

Gruden, who didn't say anything worthwhile on a MNF broadcast for 12(?) years, has totally destroyed the franchise, making it even worse than before.

 

he has no clue what he is doing in any aspect of life, going a manic million miles an hour all the while

 

 

Carr, Cooper and a solid OL. I take that sorry. 

[Nihilarian]

CBS sports changed this up from the first week in which they had the Bills getting the #1 overall pick.

 

This week it's the #1 NY Giants- #2 Houston Texans- #3 Oakland Raiders- #4 Arizona Cardinals- #5 Detroit Lions- #6 Buffalo Bills- #7 Oakland Raiders via Bears. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-raiders-find-khalil-macks-replacement-browns-add-wr-after-josh-gordon-trade/

 

I don't know if I buy that the Bears and Texans are all that bad, Raiders too. However, the Bills, Giants, Cards and Lions all really suck at this point. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

CBS sports changed this up from the first week in which they had the Bills getting the #1 overall pick.

 

This week it's the #1 NY Giants- #2 Houston Texans- #3 Oakland Raiders- #4 Arizona Cardinals- #5 Detroit Lions- #6 Buffalo Bills- #7 Oakland Raiders via Bears. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-raiders-find-khalil-macks-replacement-browns-add-wr-after-josh-gordon-trade/

 

I don't know if I buy that the Bears and Texans are all that bad, Raiders too. However, the Bills, Giants, Cards and Lions all really suck at this point. 

Improvement already!!!!

 

From dead last (or 2nd o last) 

[Bing Bong]

5 hours ago, sleeby said:

Ya know, I was telling my son this on Sunday, it's better than watching the 10th worst team in the league every week.  I mean, at the very least the chargers first half was like an offensive highlight reel.  Everyone on that squad looked great displaying their skills.  Ha.  And we have a light at then end of the tunnel. . .with some luck needed as always.

I'm not going to be mean or say anything about what you should tell your son. I just disagree that we're in better shape than the Chargers. On what planet?

[BillsFan2313]

17 hours ago, wppete said:

We are getting at top 3 pick in next years draft almost certain. The draft is something to

look forward to.

 

Yay, let's look at our recent history of drafting in the top 5

 

Mike Williams

Marcel Dareus

Sammy Watkins

 

Hopefully this regime can actually nail a top 5 pick for us.

[Bing Bong]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

If you haven't noticed, a lot of fans here don't know what they are talking about...

I don't understand how people seem genuinely happy with the team right now. I can't fathom it. 

[iinii]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Fair enough although I don't think this is a tank, I just don't think we have enough talent yet at some key positions to compete but it's getting better imo. 

Maybe we could call it an armored personnel carrier then? 

[iinii]

18 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm not going to be mean or say anything about what you should tell your son. I just disagree that we're in better shape than the Chargers. On what planet?

Not this one. The Chargers played without Bosa, and still managed 5-6 sacks and two picks? Draft picks and cap room are like the babe at the end of the bar. There are no guarantees she will even talk to you much less come play in your hot tub.... 

[GoBills808]

Cards, obviously.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, the skycap said:

I agree with your Browns assessment. The Bills position coaches are the ones I question 

 

 

Dabol is a guy who has bounced around in his fairly short career.

 

McD forced Leslie Frasier into retirement at halftime..

[sleeby]

36 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I'm not going to be mean or say anything about what you should tell your son. I just disagree that we're in better shape than the Chargers. On what planet?

Better shape than the chargers?  Where did you read that?  I said we suck so badly that the other team was making a highlight real and it was fun to watch once emotionally detached.

[Albwan]

I watch the Giants, I think they may be in trouble. Should have taken Darnold.

Oline is just as bad as the bills,  maybe worse.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 hours ago, row_33 said:

he has no clue what he is doing in any aspect of life, going a manic million miles an hour all the while

Just like the doll from the movies...?

[GreggTX]

You left out the part about the rookie QB and the HUGE cap space we'll have next year, but didn't have this year. You also neglected to mention that they (and many others) knew all along that this year was written off when they dumped all those overpaid underachievers. From where I sit, the biggest concern moving forward is the accuracy of Josh Allen's throws. He'll learn from this season, but he had some really ugly misses last Sunday and they weren't all about pressure either. I really hope working on his mechanics fixes this issue.

[billsfan_34]

We are the biggest pile of cow dung in the league, there isn’t another team thats even close to us. This was the year the band aid was completely ripped off allowing massive hemorrhage to occur. Now, can Beane and Company have a successful surgery to put this catastrophe back together again.

 

Current data shows somewhere around 91 million in cap space in 2019. Ten draft picks and out first rounder may be number 1 overall. This is certainly encouraging with the resources there to build this the right way. If Allen shows that he is the guy, it makes things that much better.

 

If this gets screwed up next year (which is the norm for us) then the newest regime will feel the wrath in full force, and most likely a new staff will hired, again! 

[LABILLBACKER]

21 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

 Browns - 4 top ten picks in last 4 years. 

Jags - 4 top ten picks in last 5 years

Rams - 5 top ten picks in last 6 years

Jets - 3 top ten picks in last 5 years

 

Though these are estimates, you see the point. Teams that struggle get rewarded with high draft picks. The Bills have always competed at the 7-9 and 8-8 level. We need a chance to draft top 5. Be patient. 

...and for multiple seasons...