Is Doug Marrone a better coach than Sean McDermott?

[BringBackOrton]

2 hours ago, BBills88 said:

Marrone went to a situation where the Jags have 6 1st rounders on defense. And a bunch of cap money.  Mc Dermott is rebuilding. There were times when Marrone teams in Buffalo we out matched. There should be no comparisons.

Fun fact, in McD’s first year, we had “Tre, Shaq, Jerry, Dareus, Darby, Ragland” on defense. 4 first rounders and 2 second rounders.

[rodneykm]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

Fun fact, in McD’s first year, we had “Tre, Shaq, Jerry, Dareus, Darby, Ragland” on defense. 4 first rounders and 2 second rounders.

 

Shaq, Darby and Dareus weren't McDermotts picks if I recall correctly. 

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, rodneykm said:

 

Shaq, Darby and Dareus weren't McDermotts picks if I recall correctly. 

Neither were most of the 1st rounders Marrone had.

Edited September 17, 2018 by BringBackOrton

[rodneykm]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

Neither were most of the 1st rounders Marrone had.

 

Would you say Marrone's 1st rounders were better than McDermotts?

[Lfod]

16 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

It's hard to trust the coaches McDermott has surrounded Allen with.  If Allen develops it's almost like he has to figure it out himself, that sounds like a complete opposite approach to say what Mahomes went/is going through.

I think Peterman starting is a testament to the staff wanting to take it slow and develop Josh knowing the offense is just not good enough for a rookie to develop. It's a hard truth to swallow. 

 

It was nice seeing Josh throw a touchdown pass. I would have liked to see him start with a better foundation around him but that is not happening now. 

 

 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Lfod

[rodneykm]

1 minute ago, Lfod said:

It was nice seeing Josh throw a touchdown pass. I would have liked to see him start with a better foundation around him but that is not happening now. 

 

 

This is exactly what I believe the staff wanted all along. They know next year, with all the cap space, we'll be able to greatly improve our offensive line and WR's. Doing this will give Josh the tools he needs to succeed. This year was always going to be a down year and I'm ok with that. I like what they are trying to accomplish. 

[Trogdor]

14 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

They also inherited a horrid salary cap situation 

Not one decent pick up from Beane. All he does is add to the dead cap. 

30 minutes ago, rodneykm said:

 

This is exactly what I believe the staff wanted all along. They know next year, with all the cap space, we'll be able to greatly improve our offensive line and WR's. Doing this will give Josh the tools he needs to succeed. This year was always going to be a down year and I'm ok with that. I like what they are trying to accomplish. 

I'm terrified of this regime with money. They can't evaluate at all. Since Whaley left, there hasn't been a single positive addition of pro personnel. Also, look at the FA pool. There are no good Olinemen to add.

1 hour ago, PeterDude said:

 

From what I can tell, it is a big part of his decision making process.  I think that is a problem when it comes to building a winning team.  

There was a post that got closed in the off-season that pointed this out perfectly. The first or second thing McD pointed out about every addition was their faith. It's clearly a high priority, but maybe we put too much stock in a guy that wasn't even a top 5 DC? The Pegulas royaled screwed this team by not allowing the GM to pick his coach. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Trogdor

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I've said it a hundred times that I don't blame Marrone for leaving. No good HC would work with Russ and Whaley pulling the strings. If the Pegula's would have cleaned house and fired everyone from the failed Wilson era I believe Marrone would still be the HC right now.

I agree, and don't really understand the "traitor" charge. Marrone made a power play and lost. He was going into the last year of his contract too, and there was no way they were going to extend it given the failed power play.  The power play wasn't stupid either; he thought that Manuel was terrible and Whaley was continuing to push Manuel on him. He didn't want to live with that situation. 

[Bing Bong]

1 minute ago, rodneykm said:

 

My point is the assumption, and thats exactly what it is, that his primary focus is on high character guys is not really backed by much more than a few comments here and there. 

That's true. I fully believe he compromises at times. But I also think he gives up on entitled talent too early (in some cases, let's both agree we're not talking in absolutes) because he's not willing to make the effort to motivate somebody that doesn't make it easy on him.

 

He sure had a motivated roster last year. It was impressive and I thoroughly enjoyed that playoff team. They showed up every week believing they would win, and had confidence. Hyde, Poyer, White, and Gaines were my favorite players. They were dancing, having fun, playing their hearts out, and doing everything they could to win. And he did a bang up job with a depleted roster. I'm actually all for seeing McDermott operate without Beane, with a GM that gives him a chance to compete. Remember how pissed he was about the tanking talk going into last year? Loved it. But his job is virtually impossible right now, so I'm not going to roast him.

 

I suppose I'm really speaking about Beane. I think we combine the 2 way too much. Wanting high character guys is fine, I totally understand that. NEEDING high character guys to win is poor coaching in that you are limited in the NFL talent pool. But I don't know what's a result of Beane dumping players, or McDermott telling Beane players need to go. I want to see a Beaneless McDermott more than anything.

 

But my biggest gripe with McDermott is the Peterman infatuation. It was bizarre, baffling. The national media was incredibly confused (deservedly so IMO). I don't care if Beane, Daboll, that last OC, the quarterback coach, the ball boy is talking into his ear to play Peterman.. but it's ultimately his decision and it was incredibly stupid.

 

That said he's a defensive guy and if we let him focus on defense and have a capable OC make the big boy decisions on offense (think McVay letting Wade Phillips run the show on D), he could be a great coach in better circumstances.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

I'd say that Marrone and Hackett have grown into a good HC/OC combo.  Was it that way in Buffalo? No, but they have evolved.

young Hackett versus old Hackett no? 

 

Also (as I mentioned)  the Jags offense wasn't good until they brought Coughlin aboard 

Edited September 17, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[BillsMafia13]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

Not one decent pick up from Beane. All he does is add to the dead cap. 

I'm terrified of this regime with money. They can't evaluate at all. Since Whaley left, there hasn't been a single positive addition of pro personnel. Also, look at the FA pool. There are no good Olinemen to add.

There was a post that got closed in the off-season that pointed this out perfectly. The first or second thing McD pointed out about every addition was their faith. It's clearly a high priority, but maybe we put too much stock in a guy that wasn't even a top 5 DC? The Pegulas royaled screwed this team by not allowing the GM to pick his coach. 

I havent paid much attention to the interviews after a signing.  Have mcderms really been putting that much weight in to faith when hes signing/evaluating talent?  

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, rodneykm said:

 

This is exactly what I believe the staff wanted all along. They know next year, with all the cap space, we'll be able to greatly improve our offensive line and WR's. Doing this will give Josh the tools he needs to succeed. This year was always going to be a down year and I'm ok with that. I like what they are trying to accomplish. 

I vehemently disagree that "this year was always going to be a down year". Explain to me why a playoff team the year prior goes into the next year expecting to suck like it's a given and there's nothing that team could do about it.

 

All we needed was a game manager quarterback, and some work on the offense (sign a FA WR, draft one not in the 6th round!). Instead we paid for Vontae Davis, Phillip Gaines, a Panthers rotational player in Star Lotuleilei (dude played 30-40% of snaps). We didn't keep EJ Gaines. We literally drafted NO day one offensive starters. 

 

If that is your offseason, and the only 2 quarterbacks on your roster are Josh Allen and Nathan Peterman, then yes, by that point I knew it this was going to be a "down year" (that's a VERY heavy understatement).

 

Tell me why in March, the staff decided "this is going to be a down year, we are going to SUCK it's inevitable. Let's waste our tremendous contract values in the secondary for a year or 2, cause those guys didn't have anything to do with making the playoffs". That is the most loser approach to GM-ing - managing a roster.

 

What if the staff said "Wow, we really exceeded expectations that year, we played winning football by managing field position, and using our tremendous strength in secondary to the best of our advantage. Going forward, let's get our quarterback, let's get someone comparable to Tyrod's level of game management (apparently TBD thinks that's not very hard! We coulda gotten anybody!) if he's not ready, let's sign a FA O-Lineman or WR we can start, let's not use our round 3 pick on Harrison Phillips and aim for another day one WR or O-Lineman starter, and see if our improved offense can have this team do even better the next year, given it's limitations last year. All of this could add up to a better year than before! We still need to make sure weget a replacement for Kyle Williams, but that facet of our defense was mitigated by our secondary strength. We can draft a Harrison Phillips type next year. We can improve our record and continue to accomplish our long term vision.

 

It's sad. I called ourselves a poor man's version of the Jags. From the questionable quarterback play to the great secondary. And we chose not to pursue what gave us success last year. Instead we chose to suck, like beyond the point of reasonable expectations of sucking. When Beane's genius 5 year plan finally unfolds guess what happens to Tre White's, Poyer's, and Hyde's contracts? We're going to lose them. This strength of the secondary, and the value of the contracts provides us a window that we're just going to ignore.

 

If this is "exactly what the staff wanted all along" I want them out of here in a hot minute, because we clearly can't give Josh Allen "the tools he needs to succeed" in one off-season. He's about 9 offensive tools short. The staff wanted us to be a laughing stock in the league "all along". Cool. I'd prefer a GM that tries. The Chiefs, the Bengals GMs (think any team with a GM that isn't incompetent) don't tear down their roster and purposely suck. They keep adding pieces, AND GET BETTER. It's easy to say you need 4 years of sucking to rebuild. It's a little more difficult to make the playoffs and.. ya know.. try to win and make the playoffs next year. But hey, that's what good GMs do.

[BringBackOrton]

16 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

I'd say that Marrone and Hackett have grown into a good HC/OC combo.  Was it that way in Buffalo? No, but they have evolved.

Well maybe the difference was guy who is out of the league playing QB vs. Bortles.

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

Just like Boldin, who is an extremely well respected guy around the league.  Saw this regime up close and got the heck out of town.

 

Richie is Richie, but in the last 13 months there have been 3 long time NFL vets who quit on this team.

Yes, this bothers me. Vets don't sign up for teams starting Peterman and gutting their roster. The ones currently on the team tend to retire when they see Beane's grand process unfolding and telling them "you're going to suck this year no matter how hard you try.. because I have a vision in a few years that doesn't involve you"

 

I'd get out of that team as fast as possible. I worry Tre White is showing up every Sunday and not putting in his full effort because it doesn't matter. These guys are competitors. If your GM tells you he's tanking for no good reason (in the NFL) and you're going to suck all year, AND you made the playoffs last year, you'd be very disillusioned with your team.

 

I honestly wonder if McDermott is frustrated with the situation, I think he probably is but will never admit it. 

[rodneykm]

2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Tell me why in March, the staff decided "this is going to be a down year, we are going to SUCK it's inevitable. Let's waste our tremendous contract values in the secondary for a year or 2, cause those guys didn't have anything to do with making the playoffs". That is the most loser approach to GM-ing - managing a roster.

 

 

They are resetting bad contacts and getting rid of problem child players. It was inevitable they'd be a down year. 

 

We've had a solid string of 20 in a row or so. 

[Bing Bong]

1 minute ago, rodneykm said:

 

They are resetting bad contacts and getting rid of problem child players. It was inevitable they'd be a down year. 

 

We've had a solid string of 20 in a row or so. 

Swap me the Star contract for some guys on offense, and we wouldn't suck so much. We did have money in free agency

[rodneykm]

2 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

All we needed was a game manager quarterback, and some work on the offense (sign a FA WR, draft one not in the 6th round!). Instead we paid for Vontae Davis, Phillip Gaines, a Panthers rotational player in Star Lotuleilei (dude played 30-40% of snaps). We didn't keep EJ Gaines. We literally drafted NO day one offensive starters. 

 

 

WIth the roster last year, our ceiling was exactly what happened. A first round exit. Look if you want to be stuck in the mud another 15 years, maybe we should go with your line of thinking. Tweak a roster that was barely playoff material just so we can win 9 games this year. Personally, I'm willing to be patient. 

[Alphadawg7]

18 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I liked Marrone.  I thought he was a good coach here and too many people dogged him.  Hackett called a hell of a game too.

 

Hackett?   Really?  I get the Marrone comment, I liked him too until he quit.  But Hackett was literally the worst OC I had ever seen while he was with the Bills.  Guy was a complete moron and out smarted himself time after time.  3rd and 1 would throw deep...3rd and 9 would run a draw or short pass.  Guy was a moron and couldn't call his way out of a paper bag while he was here.  

NOTE:  Doesn't mean he didn't learn and get better since, only commenting on the quality of job he did with the Bills, he was utterly the OC I have hated the most in my lifetime.  

Edited September 17, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[QCity]

5 minutes ago, rodneykm said:

 

WIth the roster last year, our ceiling was exactly what happened. A first round exit. Look if you want to be stuck in the mud another 15 years, maybe we should go with your line of thinking. Tweak a roster that was barely playoff material just so we can win 9 games this year. Personally, I'm willing to be patient. 

 

Well said.

 

 

Hey, anyone remember when Doug punted from the Jets 32 yard line?

 

 

 

[Scott7975]

16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Hackett?   Really?  I get the Marrone comment, I liked him too until he quit.  But Hackett was literally the worst OC I had ever seen while he was with the Bills.  Guy was a complete moron and out smarted himself time after time.  3rd and 1 would throw deep...3rd and 9 would run a draw or short pass.  Guy was a moron and couldn't call his way out of a paper bag while he was here.  

NOTE:  Doesn't mean he didn't learn and get better since, only commenting on the quality of job he did with the Bills, he was utterly the OC I have hated the most in my lifetime.  

I meant that he called a hell of a game against the Pats yesterday.

[BringBackOrton]

19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Hackett?   Really?  I get the Marrone comment, I liked him too until he quit.  But Hackett was literally the worst OC I had ever seen while he was with the Bills.  Guy was a complete moron and out smarted himself time after time.  3rd and 1 would throw deep...3rd and 9 would run a draw or short pass.  Guy was a moron and couldn't call his way out of a paper bag while he was here.  

NOTE:  Doesn't mean he didn't learn and get better since, only commenting on the quality of job he did with the Bills, he was utterly the OC I have hated the most in my lifetime.  

Passing on third and one is common place in the league. Hackett was a visionary saddled with the second worst QB in this Bills millennium.

[Meark]

19 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Oh for Gods sake! 

 

Give McD a chance to run that D with his knowledge on defense. 

 

Marrone is a good coach but he got handed 2 face cards showing and McD got pocket 4’s.

 

If Marrone was so great why did he sit on a pile of crap waiting for a HC interview when he was available?

Remember he had to settle for the O line coach position in Jax before he got the HC gig by default.

Yes, had to settle with a whole year of head coach money in his pocket. 

[Alphadawg7]

43 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I meant that he called a hell of a game against the Pats yesterday.

 

Gotcha, and thats a fair statement.

[nuklz2594]

so what really happened for him to leave?  making the jags look like serious contenders.  

[Captain Murica]

He wasn't sure what direction the franchise was going. He wanted job security ala a contract extension. The Pegulas wouldn't give it to him, so he exercised his clause walking away with $4 million in his pocket, and a mind set he would land the Jets job. 

 

Not sure if that is 100% accurate,but I feel like that it close to what went down. 

[nuklz2594]

sounds about right.  i wonder if having coughlin as gm made a difference

[Tisker A Tasker]

If I remember correctly, I think he wanted some control over the roster as well.

[HansLanda]

 

it always helps to coach a team loaded with talent. 

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[nuklz2594]

6 minutes ago, HansLanda said:

 

it always helps to coach a team loaded with talent. 

well it aint rocket surgery

[Boatdrinks]

9 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

He wasn't sure what direction the franchise was going. He wanted job security ala a contract extension. The Pegulas wouldn't give it to him, so he exercised his clause walking away with $4 million in his pocket, and a mind set he would land the Jets job. 

 

Not sure if that is 100% accurate,but I feel like that it close to what went down. 

Not exactly. Pegulas were working on an extension. He had only a few days left to exercise his out clause ( built into his contract due to Ralph’s age probably). Marrone rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but he’s a good coach. He knew Brandon / Whaley wielded a lot of power in the organization and was concerned about which side would win that struggle. His agent told him he was the top candidate for the Jets job, and the out clause gave Marrone a rare opportunity to collect a HC paycheck from two franchises in the same year. (Double dipping in any other circumstance is generally against the rules, with the previous team only on the hook for the difference in salary. ) So he took it. By all accounts the Pegulas approved of the job Marrone did as HC of the Bills. 

[Rc2catch]

Not sure he’s making the Jags look like serious contenders. They have a decent offense and a pretty stout defense. I’m nowhere near sold as them being a contender. Fragile running back, Bortles is still Bortles, and a young inexperienced receiver core. 

Not sure they stack up when games really start meaning more 

[MAJBobby]

Is a better coach.

 

There finished the sentence for you. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

He wasn't sure what direction the franchise was going. He wanted job security ala a contract extension. The Pegulas wouldn't give it to him, so he exercised his clause walking away with $4 million in his pocket, and a mind set he would land the Jets job. 

 

Not sure if that is 100% accurate,but I feel like that it close to what went down. 

 

 

...here is what I know and no way I would post it if speculation.....does me or TBD brethren NO value....Marrone preached culture change in his interview with Brandon and followed up almost daily with phone calls to see the status of his hiring......need for culture change was pretty evident (looks like McD followed the same path)......thus Marrone was hired....he came in with a dictatorial "General Patton like approach"......restaurant in Fairport NY was 20 minutes late in being ready for a brass/coaching staff dinner after camp.....he tweaked and forced all to make up the coveted 20 minutes so they could get back to St John Fisher for team meetings, lasting until 9 or 10PM nightly......he wanted Brandon and Whaley present for EVERY meeting and they got sick of the routine.......thus the dynamic duo turned against him and he knew it would be an uphill battle....Pegula DID offer him a 4 year, $!9.6 million dollar extension while in Boca for the Christmas holidays...Marrone said, "I'll get back to you" but he did not. Terry called him and Marrone claimed to be shopping for his wife's Christmas present and again said, "I'll get back to you". Next step was his resignation. Brandon was already in Florida for the holidays so Pegula summoned Whaley. They met at TP's residence on New Year's Eve until 8 or 9PM discussing options. Pegula was stuck between a rock and a hard place, forced to keep Whaley and Brandon who were both under contract. To cut them BOTH loose at that juncture and having NO HC would have been organizational chaos supreme. So Doug exercised his $4 mil out clause and ran to the bank. Sound far fetched? How the hell could I make THIS SOAP OPERA up?....

[Fred Clause]

19 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Yeah Doug Marrone can get production out of Dareus. I don't care if somebody is a lazy good for nothing squander of immense talent, that probably smokes weed too much and talks back to his coach.. if he's talented.

 

LAWRENCE TAYLOR WOULDN'T BE A PROCESS PLAYER. You know what that tells me, McD is too chicken**** to do a large portion of his job description (motivating spoiled brats with money to play football) that he gives up and gives the character excuse. 

 

I:d take a coach that can get a cracked out 3 nights sleepless LT to be a monster and get 7 sacks over a coach that's too scared of one of the best players ever.

 

Beane takes the easy way out by claiming he has a process 5-6 years so he has a rats *** of retaining his job. McD takes the easy way out refusing to work with difficult talent. Andre Holmes must spend his free time saving puppies to justify his spot. I'm sure he's really "coachable" but he's a crap receiver. McD would be terrified of Randy Moss. Rebuilding a team on character isn't what a good team does. They rebuild on players that regardless of what they do in their free time; they can be motivated by a good coach to beat ass on Sunday and cocaine binge to celebrate.

If production is 3 tackles from an alleged all pro, ok I guess that’s impressive. I watched the whole game yesterday and I wasn’t sure he was dressed to play...

[Bing Bong]

20 minutes ago, Fred Clause said:

If production is 3 tackles from an alleged all pro, ok I guess that’s impressive. I watched the whole game yesterday and I wasn’t sure he was dressed to play...

Yeah I'm honestly not even following Dareus at all with the Jags. I don't even know who they have in the trenches tbh. They do have Calais Campbell correct? Big fan. 

 

Anyways I have to imagine Marrone is working on Dareus. Probably knows Dareus in his next contract year will be a new animal. Not sure when that'll be, but good lord if that happens, that defense could be elite at literally every position. If not, no biggie, he's out. I'd also argue Marrone a strong enough coach not to let some primadonna DT with a poor attitude affects how the defense plays. 

 

I just think that sort of confidence and bringing in a underperforming primadonna talented player is worth something given that the Jaguars defense is Studley regardless.

 

I realize this is a really stupid argument to make but I think it's sort of shows that Marone can deal with Jalen Ramsey type players while I feel like McDermott would trade him away following his preseason stupidity

[Fred Clause]

6 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Yeah I'm honestly not even following Dareus at all with the Jags. I don't even know who they have in the trenches tbh. They do have Calais Campbell correct? Big fan. 

 

Anyways I have to imagine Marrone is working on Dareus. Probably knows Dareus in his next contract year will be a new animal. Not sure when that'll be, but good lord if that happens, that defense could be elite at literally every position. If not, no biggie, he's out. I'd also argue Marrone a strong enough coach not to let some primadonna DT with a poor attitude affects how the defense plays. 

 

I just think that sort of confidence and bringing in a underperforming primadonna talented player is worth something given that the Jaguars defense is Studley regardless.

 

I realize this is a really stupid argument to make but I think it's sort of shows that Marone can deal with Jalen Ramsey type players while I feel like McDermott would trade him away following his preseason stupidity

You may be right, I think they get (Beane and Mc) one more year with a lot of picks and real cap money before I fully judge them. I will admit I don’t fully understand the moves they made unless they truly wanted a top 3 or even a top pick. But the cupboard is so bare, one year isn’t going to solve it...

[Cripple Creek]

7 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Well maybe the difference was guy who is out of the league playing QB vs. Bortles.

That's a piece, no doubt about it, but from a distance I think that the guy has grown into the role.

7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

young Hackett versus old Hackett no? 

 

Also (as I mentioned)  the Jags offense wasn't good until they brought Coughlin aboard 

Hackett sure got high praise from Buerlein (sp?) yesterday fwtw.  Can't discount Coughlin...I not so secretly wanted the Pegs to bring him on board.

[Bing Bong]

10 minutes ago, Fred Clause said:

You may be right, I think they get (Beane and Mc) one more year with a lot of picks and real cap money before I fully judge them. I will admit I don’t fully understand the moves they made unless they truly wanted a top 3 or even a top pick. But the cupboard is so bare, one year isn’t going to solve it...

Haha I didn't expect anybody to remotely agree with what I just said. I'll supplement that with we don't know who's pushing the character narrative and essentially eliminating a chunk of the NFL talent pool. Might not all be McD. But we and more importantly our GMs and coaches have to admit there's not that much special NFL talent to go around. The kind of NFL talent to get you across the finish line in February. You can't limit that pool of talent to your definition of what makes a team. You need to be willing to try to get talent to buy in. Bet on yourself to lead the lockerroom.

 

We call Belicheck a genius right? He had the guts to take a malcontent Randy Moss nobody else wanted and had the coaching talent to have him buy in and lo and behold he formed one of the greatest offenses ever. Beli does that all the time. He just signed Josh Gordon. He got Haynesworth. He's in control of the locker room and has the guts to see if these guys can get him to the finish line. Haynesworth doesn't work out.. who cares. Beli didn't let (or even consider) Albert to wreck the lockerroom with bad attitude. Cause he knew he wouldn't let it happen.

 

And I'll just say McDermott did a fantastic job motivating his team into the playoffs with Whaley's scraps. I think he's got that coaching talent in him. I just want to see him with a good roster before we write him off. Because he's not making the roster. Hell by all appearances him and Whaley were a great pair getting Tre White and garbage pile searching for a pair of safeties in Hyde and Poyer. Add in the fact that he's a great defensive mind and WE COULD USE A NFL OFFENSE NOT RANKED 32ND BEANE. and McD could have success on a defensively oriented team.

[Mark92]

This pole pisses me the *#@$ off!   Really?  The man QUIT on us.  He doesn't deserve to be mentioned as EVER being a Buffalo Bill especially a head coach.