Getting a little concerned with the frequency of blowout games we are completely overmatched from the get go under McDermott

[Big Turk]

We had 3 of them in a row last year and another today...games where we just aren't in it from the opening kickoff and are getting obliterated by the end of the first quarter.

 

It's a worrying trend because there is no way a team should be getting handled like this 4 times in 17 games.  Not even Cleveland who went 0-16 last year got beat this badly that many times. Something needs to change, this is NOT a good sign at all that this type of thing keeps happening and players just seem to look disinterested in playing in these games.  In the 4 games we have been outscored 182-58 or an average of 45.5 - 14.5...that is pathetic.

 

Games where the offense can't do anything, the defense can't stop anyone and the special teams end up giving up big plays.  Its a very troubling sign when all three phases of the team suck at the same time this often.

Edited September 10, 2018 by matter2003

[gobills1212]

Ya?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Getting a little...

 

What took you so long and why aren't you more concerned?

[Aussie Joe]

It is very troubling..what should we do?

 

 

[StrikeParry]

I am both worried and concerned...and also a bit troubled. 

 

It’s gonna be a bad scene this season, man. Buckle up

[saundena]

This is what happens when you give carte blanche to a first time coach and a first time GM.

 

They either need to fix "the process" and figure out what works, or they will be gone.  (The process, by the way, always pissed me off, as if together McBeane had so much repeatable success in the past that they could demand such conformity to the system as if it were a magical pancia).

 

If they win 6+ games they will be given a 3rd season. Winn less than 4 games, especially with several blowout losses then I think we will have another change in management unfortunately

 

 

Edited September 10, 2018 by saundena

[Wayne Cubed]

Here's a concerning stat:

 

30+ points scored wins under McDermott - 1

 

30+ points allowed losses under McDermott - 5

 

The points allowed were 34, 47, 54, 37, 47 and the Bills didn't score over 30 points in any of those losses.

[Sweats]

If this is the process, I’m not a real fan of it.

[thenorthremembers]

Not rocket science.  They are unbelievably bad at the two most important things in football, Quarterback and hitting the opposing Quarterback. 

 

McBeane can overcomplicate things as much as they want, call it a process, talk about hard work and culture, but until they draft a beast Defensive End or a player who plays somewhat like a NFL Qb they are going to get blown out.

 

For a coach who relies so much on pressure from his front four, you'd think he'd be a little bit more interested in gifted athletic defensive lineman and less in "high motors"

 

[oldmanfan]

They just drafted a guy that can play like an NFL QB.  Interesting how so many talk about how you're nothing without a QB, they draft a guy , and all of a sudden it's that they should have focused on other areas.

 

This past draft they got the leaders they'll need on O and D.  I am concerned about these blowouts like everyone else.  Andvthat is a failure all around, from coaching to players.

[thenorthremembers]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

They just drafted a guy that can play like an NFL QB.  Interesting how so many talk about how you're nothing without a QB, they draft a guy , and all of a sudden it's that they should have focused on other areas.

 

This past draft they got the leaders they'll need on O and D.  I am concerned about these blowouts like everyone else.  Andvthat is a failure all around, from coaching to players.

I don't disagree with you.  They needed to go all out to get a guy.  However, the point was about the blow outs.  They get blown out because they lack talent in important areas of the field.   They stunk at Qb and DE last year.  They stink  at QB (until/unless Allen develops,) and DE this year.

 

How anyone looked at the roster and didn't think they'd be in the running for the 1st pick is beyond me.  It's as easy as looking at the qb situation and Buffalo's was clearly three or four worst.  They needed to sign a veteran with real game experience and didnt.

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I don't disagree with you.  They needed to go all out to get a guy.  However, the point was about the blow outs.  They get blown out because they lack talent in important areas of the field.   They stunk at Qb and DE last year.  They stink  at QB (until/unless Allen develops,) and DE this year.

 

How anyone looked at the roster and didn't think they'd be in the running for the 1st pick is beyond me.  It's as easy as looking at the qb situation and Buffalo's was clearly three or four worst.  They needed to sign a veteran with real game experience and didnt.

A veteran with game experience like a Moore would help in the film room.  Not on the field

[thenorthremembers]

9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

A veteran with game experience like a Moore would help in the film room.  Not on the field

I wasn't specifically referring to Moore.  Was more of an advocate for them signing Bradford.  However, I did watch a QB go 5-18 for 24 yards and 2 picks yesterday, so I would argue even Matt Moore would be an on the field upgrade. 

 

They weren't prepared to start Allen and they weren't prepared to support the ability not to start him.   Thats hubris.

Edited September 10, 2018 by thenorthremembers

[oldmanfan]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

I wasn't specifically referring to Moore.  Was more of an advocate for them signing Bradford.  However, I did watch a QB go 5-18 for 24 yards and 2 picks yesterday, so In would argue even Matt Moore would be a on the field upgrade. 

 

They weren't prepared to start Allen and they weren't prepared to support the ability not to start him.   Thats hubris.

What can you say?  They brought in McCarron.  Peterman did well all preseason.  Then he laid an egg yesterday.  You can only go by what you see.  And Peterman was doing well.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if they sign a guy like Morre and cut Peterman this week. Allen's timetable just got moved up

[Fred Clause]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

What can you say?  They brought in McCarron.  Peterman did well all preseason.  Then he laid an egg yesterday.  You can only go by what you see.  And Peterman was doing well.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if they sign a guy like Morre and cut Peterman this week. Allen's timetable just got moved up

I got ridiculed for saying it last week, but Peterman only had two drives in the first preseason game against number one defenders. He never faced real pressure from top defenders in any of his play after that. It was a recipe for disaster as well as the rotation that went on for the Qb competition. A number one should have been chosen sooner with the experience of the contestants being so young. That being said, most qb’s would struggle with the inefficiency of the o-Line and the inability of the receivers to gain seperation as the Bills displayed yesterday. But Even I was surprised at how poor Peterman performed.

[Green Lightning]

I'm more  concerned about the overall lack of talent on this team. Both lines are subpar. Only one playmaker on O. This team is just plain bad.

[thenorthremembers]

14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

What can you say?  They brought in McCarron.  Peterman did well all preseason.  Then he laid an egg yesterday.  You can only go by what you see.  And Peterman was doing well.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if they sign a guy like Morre and cut Peterman this week. Allen's timetable just got moved 

 You really can't say much, I hear you there.  I am still fine with McDermott and Beane, but that's because I knew this year was 100% about Allen.  It is a little concerning they didn't do more in the off season to address QB beyond 5 total starts but its hindsight now.

 

Mainly, I am just trying to look at McBeane with the longview but that includes a pretty troubling commitment to Peterman, who if I am being honest, a lot of regular Joe's on TBD knew wouldnt play well in the regular season despite a strong preseason.

[Like A Mofo]

1. In a 17 game stretch, as a NFL Head Coach you have lead your team to not 1, not 2, but 3 games where your team has lost by 30 points or MORE 54-24, 47-10, and 47-3.

 

Another game at the Jets, the score was much closer then the compete level, on national TV and another embarrassment. 38-24 final was a complete mirage.

 

That is 4 performances that were completely embarrassing. That is 4/17 career games. Terrible ratio.

 

How many good coaches do you know have those kinds of performances on their resume?

 

PLUS, the coach has some kind of strange obsession with a 5th round pick from Pitt, and not only is that QB bad in 2 games, it costs the Bills Tyrod Taylor, and AJ McCarron as they are both jettisoned in large part to McDermott's odd infatuation with NP.

 

Some might say these are fireable offenses. Count me in as one of them.

 

I have ZERO trust that Sean McDermott has the ability to select the right QB for this team.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Like A Mofo

[Rocbillsfan1]

1 hour ago, Like A Mofo said:

1. In 17 game stretch, as a NFL Head Coach you have lead your team to not 1, not 2, but 3 games where your team has lost by 30 points or MORE 54-24, 47-10, and 47-3.

 

Another game at the Jets, the score was much closer then the compete level, on national TV and another embarrassment. 38-24 final was a complete mirage.

 

That is 4 performances that were completely embarrassing.

 

PLUS, the coach has some kind of strange obsession with a 5th round pick from Pitt, and not only is that QB bad in 2 games, it costs the Bills Tyrod Taylor, and AJ McCarron as they are both jettisoned in large part to McDermott's odd infatuation with NP.

 

Some might say these are fireable offenses. Count me in as one of them.

 

I have ZERO trust that Sean McDermott has the ability to select the right QB for this team.

they selected their qb in Allen they just didn’t want to throw him to the wolves. I’m not high on mcbeane but you’re not for all the wrong reasons. They have no talent what do you seriously want him to do? 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Rocbillsfan1

[Like A Mofo]

1 minute ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

I’m they selected their qb in Allen they just didn’t want to throw him to the wolves. I’m not high on mcbeane but you’re not for all the wrong reasons. They have no talent what do you seriously want him to do? 

 

 

Im not saying Taylor is a long term answer, but I have to think McDermott's 'pious' obsession with NP has cost him dearly in the locker room, and they are botching Josh Allen's developement similar to that of EJ.

 

Andy Reid drafted Mahomes and they kept Alex Smith there, Im sure that had a very positive effect on Mahomes.

 

Even Mahomes said how much of a positive influence Chad Henne is.

 

Where is that vet here to mentor Josh Allen?

 

McDermott is a fool.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Like A Mofo

[CuddyDark]

McDermott is not the problem. They have a pretend GM. His big signings all mostly busts. He's not a scout. He don't seem to know players. McDermott is in his first HC'ing job but he's been coaching for 30 years with pretty good success. Beane is like a young Russ Brandon.

[Dablitzkrieg]

I am starting to lose confidence in the coaches.  This is not only this year, but last as well.  The ability to identify talent appears flawed at times, putting "culture guys" ahead of talent.  

[Like A Mofo]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

McDermott is not the problem. They have a pretend GM. His big signings all mostly busts. He's not a scout. He don't seem to know players. McDermott is in his first HC'ing job but he's been coaching for 30 years with pretty good success. Beane is like a young Russ Brandon.

 

 

Ill say this: I do agree Beane has a big hand in this too. Cannot believe the Bills left the QB cupboard so bare with Allen needing time to develop.

MAJOR mistake.

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

1. In a 17 game stretch, as a NFL Head Coach you have lead your team to not 1, not 2, but 3 games where your team has lost by 30 points or MORE 54-24, 47-10, and 47-3.

 

Another game at the Jets, the score was much closer then the compete level, on national TV and another embarrassment. 38-24 final was a complete mirage.

 

That is 4 performances that were completely embarrassing. That is 4/17 career games. Terrible ratio.

 

How many good coaches do you know have those kinds of performances on their resume?

 

PLUS, the coach has some kind of strange obsession with a 5th round pick from Pitt, and not only is that QB bad in 2 games, it costs the Bills Tyrod Taylor, and AJ McCarron as they are both jettisoned in large part to McDermott's odd infatuation with NP.

 

Some might say these are fireable offenses. Count me in as one of them.

 

I have ZERO trust that Sean McDermott has the ability to select the right QB for this team.

  Seriously?  I don't think McDermott/Beane are going any place and it will take a tire fire that can be seen from the International Space Station for the entire season to get them fired at the conclusion of the season.  Unfortunately, Ralph's last decade and change where we changed coaches every two to three years has created a situation where Buffalo is not attractive to prospective HC hires.  We have to prove to the coaching world that a coach will get time to fairly demonstrate his abilities.

[Mark80]

8 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

 

Im not saying Taylor is a long term answer, but I have to think McDermott's 'pious' obsession with NP has cost him dearly in the locker room, and they are botching Josh Allen's developement similar to that of EJ.

 

Andy Reid drafted Mahomes and they kept Alex Smith there, Im sure that had a very positive effect on Mahomes.

 

Even Mahomes said how much of a positive influence Chad Henne is.

 

Where is that vet here to mentor Josh Allen?

 

McDermott is a fool.

 

So, let me get this straight.  EJ, who was thrown in to start week 1, had his development botched by starting too soon.  Now you are saying Josh Allen's development is botched by not starting week 1.  Hum, interesting.  They seem like the exact opposite scenarios from where I'm sitting.  Cool story though.

 

Dude got us into the playoffs with a bunch of scrubs on our team and you want to fire him because he continues to execute on the organizations long term goals / plan and you demand instant gratification from a team which is clearly not ready yet talent wise to compete on a regular basis?  By all accounts this team over performed last year, and McD was a big part of that.  You build the culture first, sacrificing talent over the type of person they want in some cases.  But, after you do have a strong locker room then you can add high talent, but riskier personality wise, guys that your close team can handle and foster.

 

Calm down buddy.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Mark80

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

McDermott is not the problem. They have a pretend GM. His big signings all mostly busts. He's not a scout. He don't seem to know players. McDermott is in his first HC'ing job but he's been coaching for 30 years with pretty good success. Beane is like a young Russ Brandon.

 

I fairly confident that McDermott is the primary decision maker at OBD. 

 

Beane is McDermott's puppet. 

[jahnyc]

I am worried about the poor planning and execution that went into this offseason for things that were under their control.  Maybe they thought the fans would give them a mulligan for this season because we unexpectedly made the playoffs last season.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

1. In a 17 game stretch, as a NFL Head Coach you have lead your team to not 1, not 2, but 3 games where your team has lost by 30 points or MORE 54-24, 47-10, and 47-3.

 

Another game at the Jets, the score was much closer then the compete level, on national TV and another embarrassment. 38-24 final was a complete mirage.

 

That is 4 performances that were completely embarrassing. That is 4/17 career games. Terrible ratio.

 

How many good coaches do you know have those kinds of performances on their resume?

 

PLUS, the coach has some kind of strange obsession with a 5th round pick from Pitt, and not only is that QB bad in 2 games, it costs the Bills Tyrod Taylor, and AJ McCarron as they are both jettisoned in large part to McDermott's odd infatuation with NP.

 

Some might say these are fireable offenses. Count me in as one of them.

 

I have ZERO trust that Sean McDermott has the ability to select the right QB for this team.

 

Wouldn't the personnel decisions such as selecting QB, lie at the feet of the GM?

 

I don't know if McDermott and Beane are the right guys.  But I do know that this cycle of hiring and firing coaches and GMs every 2-3 years has got to stop.

It's no coincidence that the teams in the league who have had the most consistent success, are those with the longest tenured GMs/HCs.

[BringBackFergy]

Do you guys think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

[Like A Mofo]

4 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

 

So, let me get this straight.  EJ, who was thrown in to start week 1, had his development botched by starting too soon.  Now you are saying Josh Allen's development is botched by not starting week 1.  Hum, interesting.  They seem like the exact opposite scenarios from where I'm sitting.  Cool story though.

 

Dude got us into the playoffs with a bunch of scrubs on our team and you want to fire him because he continues to execute on the organizations long term goals / plan and you demand instant gratification from a team which is clearly not ready yet talent wise to compete on a regular basis?  By all accounts this team over performed last year, and McD was a big part of that. 

 

Calm down buddy.

 

 

Where is a true vet to lead this team for several weeks?

 

Where is a QB who has years of experience that can be valuable for Josh Allen?

 

Nowhere to be found: Beane sent him to Oakland.

 

No, we kept Peterman, who telegraphs throws and is nowhere near a functional starter. That is squarely on McBeane, and I believe puts them on the chopping block.

 

Is that THAT bad of an oversight.

Edited September 10, 2018 by Like A Mofo

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Wouldn't the personnel decisions such as selecting QB, lie at the feet of the GM?

 

I don't know if McDermott and Beane are the right guys.  But I do know that this cycle of hiring and firing coaches and GMs every 2-3 years has got to stop.

It's no coincidence that the teams in the league who have had the most consistent success, are those with the longest tenured GMs/HCs.

 

Chicken or the egg, right?

 

Are they the longest tenured because they are the most successful?

Or

Are they successful because they are long tenured and allowed to see their plan play out?

[FLXbillsmafia]

Including yesterday's disaster, the Bills have now lost 5 games by at least 20 points in the 18 games McDermott has coached (and this doesn't even count the Jets game in which the bills trailed 34-7 before scoring 2 garbage TDs). 

 

By comparison, in the 4 years under Marrone and Ryan, the Bills only lost 1 game by that margin. Even the Browns, who went 1-31 the past two years,  only had 5 such blowouts in that 32 game span. This just shows how, in today's NFL, it is literally HARD to lose games like the Bills have against the Saints, Chargers, Ravens, etc.

 

Now, I still think a brighter future is ahead as long as Allen is legit (a big if), but this "process" may be longer than people thought. I don't think it is an overreaction to say that Bills may set records for futility this year. The 2017 Browns would have beat this team like a drum yesterday. It is scary to think what the Bills point differential will be this year. 

[Mark80]

6 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

 

Where is a true vet to lead this team for several weeks?

 

Nowhere to be found: Beane sent him to Oakland.

 

No, we kept Peterman, who telegraphs throws and is nowhere near a functional starter. That is squarely on McBeane, and I believe puts them on the chopping block.

 

Is that THAT bad of an oversight.

 

So, keeping AJ McCarron, the fantastic "vet" you call for who coudln't even start for the Bengals, is some high and mighty influence who is going to determine Josh Allen's career path.   My lord, get a hold of yourself friend.  Do you realize how crazy that sounds?  You have no idea whatsoever what kind of leader / mentor AJ is / would have been to Josh.  He is a career back-up QB who has been in the league a whopping 4 years. 

 

And at first you want McD fired, now you want Beane fired too.  You have lost it, completely lost it. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Mark80

[jrober38]

I'm beginning to sense that McDermott might be our version of Josh McDaniels when he was in Denver; an inexperienced coach with too much power who went out of his way to gut the roster and bring in his own guys, who ultimately aren't good enough. 

 

I think we might be heading towards a serious train wreck. Our roster is terrible and I don't think this regime has adequately shown they can identify talent. 

[BillsFan130]

To answer your question , they are fireable offences to have those outcomes in the NFL.

 

But the Bills are not going to fire McD. At least not this year 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I'm depressed.  My parents are !@#$s for making me a Bills fan 

Just now, jrober38 said:

I'm beginning to sense that McDermott might be our version of Josh McDaniels when he was in Denver; an inexperienced coach with too much power who went out of his way to gut the roster and bring in his own guys, who ultimately aren't good enough. 

 

I think we might be heading towards a serious train wreck. Our roster is terrible and I don't think this regime has adequately shown they can identify talent. 

Reminds me of Chip Kelly, trading away the most talent, bringing in crap and then getting canned.

[skibum]

I think the offenses are more on the GM side.

 

Lots of openly stupid moves have been made, and somehow sold to us as solid gold. We are supposed to believe this is a team of diamonds in the rough, "process" guys with the right attitude, if not the pedigree. But we all saw yesterday how important high-level talent is to success in the NFL. This front office has made habit of jettisoning its most talented players, replacing them with JAGs, and eating the dead cap money. Look at the press guide - it breaks down the draft position of every player on the team. It's astonishing how many UDFAs and low-round picks there are. Lots of low ceilings. 

[Like A Mofo]

1 minute ago, Mark80 said:

 

So, keeping AJ McCarron, the fantastic "vet" you call for who coudln't even start for the Bengals, is some high and mighty influence who is going to determine Josh Allen's career path.   My lord, get a hold of yourself friend.  Do you realize how crazy that sounds?  You have no idea whatsoever what kind of leader / mentor AJ is / would have been to Josh.  He is a career back-up QB.  

 

And at first you want McD fired, now you want Beane fired too.  You have lost it, completely lost it. 

 

 

I am saying its time to take off the rose colored glasses here.

 

I have lost a lot of trust in McBeane.

 

Patrick Mahomes said yesterday loud and clear how much he learned playing behind a guy like Alex Smith and now a guy like Chad Henne, Really credited them.

 

Who will Josh Allen credit?

 

AJ McCarron isn't fantastic, but he is a HELL of a lot better then pious NP.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

We could see similar results in the next three contests.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm depressed.  My parents are !@#$s for making me a Bills fan 

Reminds me of Chip Kelly, trading away the most talent, bringing in crap and then getting canned.

 

That's another good example. 

 

Year 1 each of these guys made the playoffs, and in year 2 the wheels completely came off and each team imploded.