BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, Warcodered said: does that work? Also are they outside the strike zone when they actually hit the catcher's glove and fall out? Did I miss the part where the WRs started playing more poorly after Allen came in? The EXACT SAME THING happened in the first half, arguably worse, but that's just because the QB was bad. No one caught a thing, and Benjamin was jogging short-arming passes the whole game. The biggest difference was that the first half was against a starting unit trying to win, but by the fourth quarter it was a glorified 5th preseason game. It's so bizarre to me that the first half blame is on the QB, but the second half is on the WRs when the WRs didn't change, and their play didn't decrease. They were awful start to finish. If that tipped pass to Logan Thomas goes for a pick that's on him, but the slant route right to Benjamin who got outworked is just another pick for a QB we hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 The Foster pass could have been better but it hit his hands. Watch some other games. Receivers make tougher catches than that in any other game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 The Foster throw hit the Raven in the back...hard to catch that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: Did I miss the part where the WRs started playing more poorly after Allen came in? The EXACT SAME THING happened in the first half, arguably worse, but that's just because the QB was bad. No one caught a thing, and Benjamin was jogging short-arming passes the whole game. The biggest difference was that the first half was against a starting unit trying to win, but by the fourth quarter it was a glorified 5th preseason game. It's so bizarre to me that the first half blame is on the QB, but the second half is on the WRs when the WRs didn't change, and their play didn't decrease. They were awful start to finish. If that tipped pass to Logan Thomas goes for a pick that's on him, but the slant route right to Benjamin who got outworked is just another pick for a QB we hate. That doesn't work Josh Allen got first downs Peterman did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 52 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Drops all over the place. I am not sure how they'll draft an entire wideout corps next year, but they will need to. Who will be available in FA? We can draft one and fill the rest with our $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: That doesn't work Josh Allen got first downs Peterman did not. against 3rd stringers. For whatever reason they also refused to run the ball in the first half. i think McCoy had 2 carries for -1 yards. Edited September 9, 2018 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 9, 2018 Author Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) So much of playing QB well is the repetition, the timing subtleties...they blew it. How much better would Allen be if he had gotten the reps in training camp? Gotten the reps this week? Even a play like the non-handoff to McCoy might have been different if he had run it a bunch in practice. 7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Did I miss the part where the WRs started playing more poorly after Allen came in? The EXACT SAME THING happened in the first half, arguably worse, but that's just because the QB was bad... hate. Troll. You're blocked. Edited September 9, 2018 by OJ Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Thats not what I said. And why are you more concerned about the Alabama WR and not the fact that Benjamin dropped a TD pass? Benjamin has been awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, CDogg20 said: Who will be available in FA? We can draft one and fill the rest with our $$$ Not a lot of help in free agency. The giant sloth we currently have on our team may be the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, BullBuchanan said: against 3rd stringers. So what are you saying that Allen did bad or that it doesn't count you really need to pick one and stick with it. Seriously what is your argument here that Allen didn't do enough? That Peterman despite doing essentially absolutely nothing with a 0 for his QB rating should still start? What are you trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, OJ Tom said: So much of playing QB well is the repetition, the timing subtleties...they blew it. How much better would Allen be if he had gotten the reps in training camp? Gotten the reps this week? Even a play like the non-handoff to McCoy might have been different if he had run it a bunch in practice. You're blocked. It's hard listening to things outside your echo chamber, I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, mabden said: I can see next years draft going like this: 1)WR 2)OL 3)WR 4)OL 5)WR 5)OL 6)WR 7)OL Its really kind of amazing how bad the line is. You need a LG, C, RG, and RT. At least at Wr you have potential. Line is a complete and utter mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 If only Allen could throw a more accurate ball. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 54 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: Will be hard to draft an entire wideout corps and entire offensive line! Especially when this FO loves trading all their picks away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: If only Allen could throw a more accurate ball. Makes me hear the banana peel slipping sound effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: The biggest difference was... ...the multiple interceptable passes, 2 of which were actually intercepted. And the ability to throw downfield. And the ability to avoid the pass rush. What game did you watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, Warcodered said: So what are you saying that Allen did bad or that it doesn't count you really need to pick one and stick with it. Seriously what is your argument here that Allen didn't do enough? That Peterman despite doing essentially absolutely nothing with a 0 for his QB rating should still start? What are you trying to say? What I'm trying to say is that there's a really strange double standard going on here where the same facts are being used to trash one player and praise another who had pretty similar results. They both played poorly, but their WRs were worse than both of them, the O-line was awful, they couldn't and didn't run and the defense was a sieve. The entire team around both QBs was a constant. They performed the same start to finish. The QBs were the only variable on the Bills side and neither had any success. What I'm also saying is the minute edge that Allen had in production should be considered with respect that the Ravens had their defensive stars on the sidelines. I'm super confused how one guy was trash and the other "must absolutely start" based off the same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, BullBuchanan said: What I'm trying to say is that there's a really strange double standard going on here where the same facts are being used to trash one player and praise another who had pretty similar results. They both played poorly, but their WRs were worse than both of them, the O-line was awful, they couldn't and didn't run and the defense was a sieve. The entire team around both QBs was a constant. They performed the same start to finish. The QBs were the only variable on the Bills side and neither had any success. What I'm also saying is the minute edge that Allen had in production should be considered with respect that the Ravens had their defensive stars on the sidelines. I'm super confused how one guy was trash and the other "must absolutely start" based off the same results. No, Allen threw 5-6 very good passes and Nate threw none. I don't know the math but it's about 872,700% better. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Well it's on youtube and the options menu lets you slow down to quarter speed. Are you talking about the ball that Benjamin muffed that was perfectly thrown? I don’t need to slow that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: What I'm trying to say is that there's a really strange double standard going on here where the same facts are being used to trash one player and praise another who had pretty similar results. They both played poorly, but their WRs were worse than both of them, the O-line was awful, they couldn't and didn't run and the defense was a sieve. The entire team around both QBs was a constant. They performed the same start to finish. The QBs were the only variable on the Bills side and neither had any success. What I'm also saying is the minute edge that Allen had in production should be considered with respect that the Ravens had their defensive stars on the sidelines. I'm super confused how one guy was trash and the other "must absolutely start" based off the same results. So what you're missing is one guy moved the ball down the field and the other didn't? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Did I miss the part where the WRs started playing more poorly after Allen came in? The EXACT SAME THING happened in the first half, arguably worse, but that's just because the QB was bad. No one caught a thing, and Benjamin was jogging short-arming passes the whole game. The biggest difference was that the first half was against a starting unit trying to win, but by the fourth quarter it was a glorified 5th preseason game. It's so bizarre to me that the first half blame is on the QB, but the second half is on the WRs when the WRs didn't change, and their play didn't decrease. They were awful start to finish. If that tipped pass to Logan Thomas goes for a pick that's on him, but the slant route right to Benjamin who got outworked is just another pick for a QB we hate. Bro it’s cause peterman literally didn’t move the sticks all. Not one first down and both ints were all on him. he was worse than the 5 ints game and thought that would be impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Makes me hear the banana peel slipping sound effect. If I had access to the game footage I'd take a screen shot of Benjamin doing basically the same thing on both picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I think the one thing Allen gives you that there is no stat for is simply the feeling that you might score on any given play. Allen is better with his legs and has the arm to make a team pay. He's still young and he maybe doesn't see everything or move in the pocket as slick as Brady but in general you have a feeling like he could pull something at of his butt. Peterman only leaves you wondering how many throws until the next pick. It's not really stat sheet stuff but that's just how I feel comparing the two. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Benjamin is a body catcher, that ball was a dime. Foster throw was not a good pass. Logan Thomas crossing route was right on the money The play where he side steps a defender steps and converts on 3rd and forever was a beauty. He's gonna be good, keep eating that he didn't win in college he's not ready crap . Tape doesn't lie, he's got the tools the size and isnt scared There are gonna be bumps along the way but I'm all aboard the Allen wagon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Benjamin has been awful. And what has Foster been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: If I had access to the game footage I'd take a screen shot of Benjamin doing basically the same thing on both picks. Of this game because the only place for that effect on the second one would be when Peterman threw the ball. 5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Are you talking about the ball that Benjamin muffed that was perfectly thrown? I don’t need to slow that down. No the Foster throw that did admittedly hit the defender's helmet but then fell into his hand and then out of his hands. Edited September 9, 2018 by Warcodered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, Warcodered said: Of this game because the only place for that effect on second one would be when Peterman threw the ball. Yea, I know your bias won't let you believe it's true but both interceptions were on Benjamin. Clear as day. A decent receivers catches both, and probably even has a big gain on the second one. He didn't even try to catch them and just shied away from the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Yea, I know your bias won't let you believe it's true but both interceptions were on Benjamin. Clear as day. A decent receivers catches both, and probably even has a big gain on the second one. He didn't even try to catch them and just shied away from the ball. ...yes...my bias. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, Bangarang said: And what has Foster been? Foster beat his man, as he has done consistently. If the ball to him is well thrown, it’s likely a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: He is going to be great. Receivers will need to adjust to the velocity of his passes. We have our quarter back!! Way, way too early to say that. No one knows what he is yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: Foster beat his man, as he has done consistently. If the ball to him is well thrown, it’s likely a TD. If foster is so good why did he catch 8 passes per year at Bama. Not being snarky just wonder what his story was there, because he does seem good at getting open deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: ...the multiple interceptable passes, 2 of which were actually intercepted. And the ability to throw downfield. And the ability to avoid the pass rush. What game did you watch? Allen showing Nfl traits was the only redeeming factor in today’s game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Way, way too early to say that. No one knows what he is yet. That’s your opinion. You are welcome to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: If foster is so good why did he catch 8 passes per year at Bama. Not being snarky just wonder what his story was there, because he does seem good at getting open deep. It was somewhat of an unusual situation. He was actually playing well and then he got hurt. Missed most if not all of his second last year. The guy that replaced him because he was hurt was Calvin Ridley. Then last year, they played a QB that couldn't throw a ball, he didn't play much and Ridley was a #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Drops all over the place. I am not sure how they'll draft an entire wideout corps next year, but they will need to. We can't afford to do that because we will never be able to build up the OL through FA. Team's don't often let good OL walk these days. You'll just end up with backup caliber players like Bodine. We're going to have to bolster WR and CB through FA and draft several OL including our next LT in the 1st or this pain will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) I saw maybe a couple of bad throws, and the worst one might have been deliberately thrown away. I saw two obvious throwaways, at least 4 drops and a couple of decent pass attempts that were broken up by good defensive play. So, to me, it looks like his play was much better than his stat line. Edited September 9, 2018 by TigerJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: If foster is so good why did he catch 8 passes per year at Bama. Not being snarky just wonder what his story was there, because he does seem good at getting open deep. 1. He was injured a lot. 2. There was so much talent at WR it was difficult to get touches. 3. Alabama’s QB wasn’t a very good passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: If only Allen could throw a more accurate ball. This one wasn't Allen's fault and neither was the inability to block up front, but Allen's accuracy was not good. His placement was often poor. I hope he can correct that and a little protection as well as someone to throw to would be helpful. Even if it comes together for the rookie, he can't do it alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 41 minutes ago, mabden said: I can see next years draft going like this: 1)WR 2)OL 3)WR 4)OL 5)WR 5)OL 6)WR 7)OL Don't we have 10 picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Yea, I know your bias won't let you believe it's true but both interceptions were on Benjamin. Clear as day. A decent receivers catches both, and probably even has a big gain on the second one. He didn't even try to catch them and just shied away from the ball. I hope you realize you are losing credibility with each post...but hey, I’m just lookin’ out for you. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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