Logic Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'll preface with this .... I still consider the Mets to be a team with zero no hitters in its history. Why? Because in 2012, when Santana was vying for the 1st no-no in franchise history, Carlos Beltran got a base hit that was a) obvious and b) erroneously ruled foul. On paper, it's a no-hitter. In reality, it is not. And I'm a Mets fan. This brings me to the Bills' playoff drought. Did the Bills really "make" the playoffs? The Bills' regular season was over after the Dolphins game. The Bills didn't do enough to make the playoffs. The Bengals did enough for the Bills to make the playoffs. That is the reality. And yes ... I feel the same way about the (7-9) Seattle team (even though they actually won a playoff game). I'm torn. Part of me says, "Yes, the drought is over." But part of me says, "It's not over until the Bills make the playoffs without having to back in." I've already said this so many times, but I'll say it one more: The Bills DID earn their way into the playoffs. ONE MORE LOSS anywhere in the season and they don't get in. They beat a Broncos team that was 2-0 and playing hot at the time. They beat the playoff-bound Falcons IN Atlanta. They took care of the Raiders and Bucs at home. The Bucs game, in particular, was NOT a gimme. After a horrible midseason stretch, they rebounded and beat the Chiefs in a crucial game AT ARROWHEAD! They beat the Colts at home, which if you've forgotten, is a game they almost lost. They then won enough of the remaining games that they needed to win, including sweeping the Dolphins. Also winning a must-win week 17 game is never a gimme, especially for the Buffalo Bills. Yes, it took the help of the Bengals to put them into the playoffs. However, by winning the games they won throughout the year, they put themselves into position to be the beneficiaries of the Bengals win. Again, had they lost ONE MORE GAME anywhere in the season, they wouldn't have made the playoffs. They were a well-coached team, beat some quality opponents, and made the playoffs with an arguably inferior roster. It happened. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 We should have called the Bengals and asked them to lay over. Because we didn't deserve it. All the work and blood and effort really was a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Asinine thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, macaroni said: IMHO ….. I don't consider the drought as over. We haven't played our way into the playoffs, we needed help. HOWEVER, the clock has been reset, we Bills fans no longer have to suffer the "experts" pointing out that it's been 17 years since we've appeared in a playoff game. Wow. We’re you mistreated as kid? Did your parents take your Xmas gifts and give them to poor kids? There’ve been TEN WIN teams that didn’t make the playoffs -including the Pats* in this era. No one here was involved in setting up the NFL Playoff rules. All we can do is live -or die- by them. Its over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 This is silly logic. This would also mean that years where they just missed out they really made the playoffs. It's not a subjective thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Codyny13 said: Asinine thread. It’s getting that way., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 It's over because we played a playoff game and that's official. Nor was it the product of error. Was it the most convincing regular season campaign in league history? The most solidly earned playoff berth of all time? Hardly. But karma has a way of working out in the end. We were barely what could be considered a playoff team and that was demonstrated when we lost our first game to a middling opponent with only 3 points to show for our efforts. That's a fitting playoff performance for the team in that year. It's also why Tyrod is gone. That 3 point performance in Jacksonville was his ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: It’s getting that way., It looks like it's split about 50/50. I think it's a legitimate discussion to be having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 The playoff drought is over. The "drought of not making the playoffs without the assistance of other teams" or "the drought of not being a dominant team" remain. OP needs to quantify which drought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Gugny channeling his inner Crayonz? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, Gugny said: Watching the end of another game after your season is over, hoping a team loses so you can "get into" the playoffs is the textbook definition of backing in. If the Bengals game ended before ours, would that be NOT backing in? Is that the only issue here, the timing of the games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, Gugny said: It looks like it's split about 50/50. I think it's a legitimate discussion to be having. Pretty sure there was an 11 Win team that missed out at one point. I wish a team had to have a winning record to be eligible. But that’s not the rules. Creating ‘yeah, Buts’ serves no purpose. We didn’t write and can’t change the rules to fit a perspective narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 The Giants didn't really beat the Bills because Norwood should have made the FG at the end of the game....so we're Superbowl Champs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 YES!!! The playoff drought is really over! And, a brand new one has begun! This one will be even better than the last one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: It looks like it's split about 50/50. I think it's a legitimate discussion to be having. No it's not. We made the playoffs, therefore the playoff drought is over. Just because half the posters here think otherwise doesn't make it a legitimate discussion. That half is totally wrong. We made the playoffs. It's no longer a playoff drought. Over! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 45 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'll preface with this .... I still consider the Mets to be a team with zero no hitters in its history. Why? Because in 2012, when Santana was vying for the 1st no-no in franchise history, Carlos Beltran got a base hit that was a) obvious and b) erroneously ruled foul. On paper, it's a no-hitter. In reality, it is not. And I'm a Mets fan. This brings me to the Bills' playoff drought. Did the Bills really "make" the playoffs? The Bills' regular season was over after the Dolphins game. The Bills didn't do enough to make the playoffs. The Bengals did enough for the Bills to make the playoffs. That is the reality. And yes ... I feel the same way about the (7-9) Seattle team (even though they actually won a playoff game). I'm torn. Part of me says, "Yes, the drought is over." But part of me says, "It's not over until the Bills make the playoffs without having to back in." No disrespect to the thread starter, but I absolutely hate this argument. If the Bengals vs. Ravens game that happened Week 17 had instead been played in, say Week 3, and that game unfolded the exact same way...the Bills Vs. Dolphins game Week 17 would have been a win-and-in scenario for Buffalo. EVERY playoff spot has some "thing" associated with it that happened during the season that could be construed as "lucky" that aided X team in getting a playoff spot. The Bill did not back in to the playoffs...they just...made the playoffs. The national media liked to say the Bills needed help to get in the playoffs. Guess what? Every team technically needs "help" to get in the playoffs. They need to win their games and other teams need to lose certain games. Just because it happened in the last game of the season doesn't, in any way, shape, or form diminish the accomplishment. Enjoy it...the drought is over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 We made the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Why not set up a poll with a vote? Pretty sure the results would not be 50/50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, klos63 said: No it's not. We made the playoffs, therefore the playoff drought is over. Just because half the posters here think otherwise doesn't make it a legitimate discussion. That half is totally wrong. We made the playoffs. It's no longer a playoff drought. Over! Well, that’s it then. The Great and Mighty Klos has spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: It’s getting that way., Is it time for the pitch forks!!!!!????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 50 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'll preface with this .... I still consider the Mets to be a team with zero no hitters in its history. Why? Because in 2012, when Santana was vying for the 1st no-no in franchise history, Carlos Beltran got a base hit that was a) obvious and b) erroneously ruled foul. On paper, it's a no-hitter. In reality, it is not. And I'm a Mets fan. This brings me to the Bills' playoff drought. Did the Bills really "make" the playoffs? The Bills' regular season was over after the Dolphins game. The Bills didn't do enough to make the playoffs. The Bengals did enough for the Bills to make the playoffs. That is the reality. And yes ... I feel the same way about the (7-9) Seattle team (even though they actually won a playoff game). I'm torn. Part of me says, "Yes, the drought is over." But part of me says, "It's not over until the Bills make the playoffs without having to back in." Yes, it's over. Lots of team need someone to win/lose the last week of the season. I think you'd feel different if the Bengals won early in the day, and then we won to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, Cripple Creek said: Well, that’s it then. The Great and Mighty Klos has spoken. Well, by definition....um... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, Cripple Creek said: Well, that’s it then. The Great and Mighty Klos has spoken. really? no reason to be a d**k....That should be it...we played in a playoff game....therefore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'll preface with this .... I still consider the Mets to be a team with zero no hitters in its history. Why? Because in 2012, when Santana was vying for the 1st no-no in franchise history, Carlos Beltran got a base hit that was a) obvious and b) erroneously ruled foul. On paper, it's a no-hitter. In reality, it is not. And I'm a Mets fan. This brings me to the Bills' playoff drought. Did the Bills really "make" the playoffs? The Bills' regular season was over after the Dolphins game. The Bills didn't do enough to make the playoffs. The Bengals did enough for the Bills to make the playoffs. That is the reality. And yes ... I feel the same way about the (7-9) Seattle team (even though they actually won a playoff game). I'm torn. Part of me says, "Yes, the drought is over." But part of me says, "It's not over until the Bills make the playoffs without having to back in." This is 'alternate facts' argument. Regarding the no -hiiter. You said 'in reality , it is not'. Actually, in reality it is, because that's how it's recorded in the record books. It's a no hitter. Do you really think like this? It makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Why not set up a poll with a vote? Pretty sure the results would not be 50/50. Jusr a guess, but me thinks Gugs is just stirrin’ the pot.. He’s pretty effective in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Well, that’s it then. The Great and Mighty Klos has spoken. It shouldn't have been necessary for me to speak, but yeah, once I have spoken the discussion should be over. Carry on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, nucci said: really? no reason to be a d**k....That should be it...we played in a playoff game....therefore.... I don’t think I was. It was a takeoff from the Wizard of Oz. But, if klos mosunderstood then he has my full apology. Still, you must admit, he was rather dismissive and overly definitive in his statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: Jusr a guess, but me thinks Gugs is just stirrin’ the pot.. He’s pretty effective in that role. Oh sure, but what the hell. I made a poll anyway. Don't think we will see many votes in the "NOT" camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Jusr a guess, but me thinks Gugs is just stirrin’ the pot.. He’s pretty effective in that role. this thread is no longer.... 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: I don’t think I was. It was a takeoff from the Wizard of Oz. But, if klos mosunderstood then he has my full apology. Still, you must admit, he was rather dismissive and overly definitive in his statement. ahh, sorry for the overreaction then....but it should be a definitive statement. The Bills made the playoffs....therefore the drought is over...... Edited August 17, 2018 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Gugny said: Watching the end of another game after your season is over, hoping a team loses so you can "get into" the playoffs is the textbook definition of backing in. This is fan lingo, and its 100% false. Whats the difference then if we are the late game and the Bengals game was the morning game? In that scenario, the spot is open for us if we win...we still HAVE to win our game to get in. Furthermore...what if both teams were 11 win teams like when the Pats did NOT get in when Cassel started. Thats an 11 win team that did not get in for tie breaker reasons. Bottom line is, if your team does enough to make the playoffs, you have made the playoffs. There is no "back in" category, you are either in or not...there is no other bracket. Bills had to win no matter what that last week, and they got the job done. Period. Other teams had a chance to get in, and they ultimately did NOT do enough to get in and the Bills did. Everyone plays under the same rules, tie breakers, etc. When two teams tie, its absurd to say the winning team "backed in", especially in a 16 game season where every single game is massively important unlike basketball or baseball. So no offense, but I hate this absurd "back in" notion to discredit the accomplishment. Sure, you prefer to see a team win the division and not leave themselves vulnerable, but our streak is absolutely broken without question. Disclaimer: I would be more on board with a "backed in" label if say the Bills were in a position of "Win and you are IN, but lose and someone else needs to lose to get IN". For example, had the case been if we beat the Fins we are 100% in no matter what, but if we lose in week 17 we can still get in if someone else loses. In that case, we are put in a position of controlling our own destiny...if we lose our way into the playoffs, I can get more on board of the "backed in" notion even though the reality is making the playoffs still counts no matter what in terms of "breaking the streak". Edited August 17, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) We deserved to be there Having said that you can I think make an argument we’re still in a drought. We actually haven’t won a playoff game since 1995. The actual Jags game was pretty forgettable Edited August 17, 2018 by Another Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Jusr a guess, but me thinks Gugs is just stirrin’ the pot.. He’s pretty effective in that role. Reported. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, Cripple Creek said: I don’t think I was. It was a takeoff from the Wizard of Oz. But, if klos mosunderstood then he has my full apology. Still, you must admit, he was rather dismissive and overly definitive in his statement. I think it's easy to be over definitive- it's a clear cut question. Is the playoff drought over. If we made the playoffs, it is, if we didn't make it last season, it would still be on. Let's not overthink this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, klos63 said: I think it's easy to be over definitive- it's a clear cut question. Is the playoff drought over. If we made the playoffs, it is, if we didn't make it last season, it would still be on. Let's not overthink this. But, the subtleties should be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Stuff like this is stupid and stop being a fan. Yes the drought is over they made the playoffs and lost to Jacksonville. It will say that forever in the history books. I despise when people play the shoulda coulda game on what happened during the season. You are your record and the result that followed. The Bills 1990 team shoulda been SB champs but they missed a FG plus a sh*t ton of other chances to close. Guess what history will say forever they lost regardless of circumstance and history will say the 2017-18 Buffalo Bills made the playoffs ending the drought. Sorry if your fantasy of the team going 11-5, winning the division, and being a true contender wasn't reached, but this was the team that did it. if you honestly can't enjoy what happened regardless of what it took just stop cheering for the Bills and join the Patriots bandwagon loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Pretty sure there was an 11 Win team that missed out at one point. It was the Pats* the year Brady didn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: But, the subtleties should be considered. maybe for a different discussion- were the Bills worthy of a playoff spot, were they good enough, did they get lucky or luckier than other teams.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 When a team loses but a competitor for the playoffs also loses, and the competitor is eliminated while your team advances, that's backing in. Winning your last game and having a competitor lose a game on the same day is NOT backing in. That's what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Weird thread. I guess someone needs attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 So, the OP changes the original post and title to hide what happened? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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