Incognito says he wants to play this year and Vikings called him

[BillsFan4]

 

[The Red King]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Dude, seriously.  Hand-waving and laughing emojis like this is some small, trivial thing is not going to help.  You retired, claiming health issues, postured for a release and then went ape, chucking a barbell, dropping the f-bomb and outright saying you really didn't feel like going to training camp, like it was optional.  But, really, that last line sums it up.

 

"There isn't an off switch for savage mode to regular life."

 

There is.  Most people have one.  A lot of football players are outright beasts on the field and completely different off it.  You either didn't have one, or there's a loose wire causing that switch to occasionally lock in 'savage' mode.  That's...not healthy, and when I say you need help, I mean that sincerely, not mockingly.

[teef]

31 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

this guy needs to start helping himself out.  

Edited August 8, 2018 by teef

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

this guys needs to start helping himself out.  

 

It's really starting to sound like he's close to becoming dangerous to himself.  

[teef]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's really starting to sound like he's close to becoming dangerous to himself.  

it does, and it's sad.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, teef said:

it does, and it's sad.

 

I get the feeling that football is his crutch and now that he doesn't have it....it's hard for him to keep sane.  Going on these bizarre twitter rants is probably him just trying to pass time or something.  Sounds like he's got nothing to keep him occupied which eventually that could get ugly.

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I get the feeling that football is his crutch and now that he doesn't have it....it's hard for him to keep sane.  Going on these bizarre twitter rants is probably him just trying to pass time or something.  Sounds like he's got nothing to keep him occupied which eventually that could get ugly.

if something bad does happen to cogs, do you think certain members here will try to blame the bills?

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, teef said:

if something bad does happen to cogs, do you think certain members here will try to blame the bills?

 

Does it rhyme with SnottClaw and SoPier?

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Does it rhyme with SnottClaw and SoPier?

and maybe one other poster that rhymes with tedboy.

[Sky Diver]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I seem to remember a lot of sympathy for Dareus.  After the first suspension, the drag racing right before he signed a big contract.  He's young, we said.  He's adrift, we said.  He's suffered incredible loss in his life, all those people in his family or close to him being killed or dying.  That's got to mess with a kid's mind.  He's gonna turn the corner, so let's celebrate "Mr Big Stuff"s big contract.

 

Even after the disappointing 2015 season and the 2016 4 game suspension when the statement was issued that he had decided to seek help and enter a rehab facility, I remember a lot of folks being sympathetic. 

 

Only then it came out, "Cap Hat"s idea of rehab was partying down on Chippewa followed by hanging out in Virginia Beach with Bruce Smith, and he came back and mailed it in.

2017: Out of shape, late for meetings, violating team rules, said to be sleeping in meetings, visibly taking plays off.  All of that sharply eroded Dareus sympathy base in Buffalo.

 

In contrast, while he was here, no one had anything bad to say about the effort or team participation that Incognito put in.  He was all in, all the time, every play, never a word about him being late or missing busses or sleeping through meetings.

 

If Dareus had gone to rehab as he said he would, sought mental health treatment (as Cog did when he was out of the league after JMart) and then put in 100% effort with the team and on the field, his off field issues would probably be viewed more sympathetically.    Right now, with Ritchie missing a few Cogs and acting out, he isn't garnering a lot of sympathy that I see and if he acted like that and were still here, I don't think he'd get any.  The boy is cray-cray and we want him to "seek professional help"

 

 

 

I am Alabama fan and I had little sympathy for Dareus. The watershed for me was when he showed up to camp fat and out of shape and then worked on a deal to buy another bar in BHM when he was on leave for his brother's funeral. Buying a bar shouldn't be part of the grieving process.

Edited August 8, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I get the feeling that football is his crutch and now that he doesn't have it....it's hard for him to keep sane.  Going on these bizarre twitter rants is probably him just trying to pass time or something.  Sounds like he's got nothing to keep him occupied which eventually that could get ugly.

 

Odd, when I DO HAVE the Bills, I kind of get the same reaction! 

 

I can really see how losing something he’s done for most of his life and having way too much free time on his hands can create a very real sense of loss, a lot on anxiety....and his frightening behavior. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I am Alabama fan and I had little sympathy for Dareus. The watershed for me was when he showed up to camp fat and out of shape and then worked on a deal to buy another bar in BHM when he took time off for his brother's funeral.

 

Ha!  Never heard about that.  Yeah, would have reduced my sympathy quotient.

 

When a certified 'Bama homer (meaning no offense, Diver, impression you wear that proudly) lacks sympathy for a 'Bama alum, that's saying something.

[Dr.Sack]

28% of Americans claim that god speaks to them in their head. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 8/7/2018 at 12:20 PM, Shaw66 said:

Doesn't want to go to training camp.  That's great. Teams are just dying to get players who don't want to practice.  

 

Especially OLmen where unit cohesion is so important - as recognized by 'Cog himself when he's not in whatever altered state he's in.

[Royale with Cheese]

18 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Odd, when I DO HAVE the Bills, I kind of get the same reaction! 

 

I can really see how losing something he’s done for most of his life and having way too much free time on his hands can create a very real sense of loss, a lot on anxiety....and his frightening behavior. 

 

If you think about it, he started at least in HS playing football...strong possibility even before that.

He's now mid 30's...football has probably been with him most of his life and now it's gone.  

 

I played college ball and it was weird when I was done....like really weird.  I started when I was 5 until I was 22...that's a major piece of your life just gone.

I do feel I'm a little more stable mentally than Richie so I've been okay.

[Shaw66]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Especially OLmen where unit cohesion is so important - as recognized by 'Cog himself when he's not in whatever altered state he's in.

I really like the guy.   It's a shame he's so messed up.  

[YoloinOhio]

28 minutes ago, teef said:

if something bad does happen to cogs, do you think certain members here will try to blame the bills?

“The downward spiral all started when the Bills traded Sammy Watkins... the mental burden of losing the beloved decoy was more than Richie could take... On the next 30 for 30.”

Edited August 8, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Irv]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

“The downward spiral all started when the Bills traded Sammy Watkins... the mental burden of losing the beloved decoy was more than Richie could take... On the next 30 for 30.”

 

He also cannot get the constant clanging sound of footballs ricocheting fof of Zay's frying pans.   

[ndirish1978]

This guy has tweeted his way out of the NFL

[nedboy7]

7 hours ago, teef said:

do you really not understand why the bills moved on from him?  

 

I guess not. Why don’t you teach me. Your personal attacks are getting just weird.  You could learn some mental health from Richie. 

[Augie]

21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If you think about it, he started at least in HS playing football...strong possibility even before that.

He's now mid 30's...football has probably been with him most of his life and now it's gone.  

 

I played college ball and it was weird when I was done....like really weird.  I started when I was 5 until I was 22...that's a major piece of your life just gone.

 I do feel I'm a little more stable mentally than Richie so I've been okay.

 

Well, we all have our opinions!     ?

 

I’m sure it’s VERY real for a LOT of people who lose an important part of their lives. It’s part of what you do and “who you are”. People say I’m a banker, or I’m an accountant, or I am a professional body model for underwear ads (well, you get the idea!). That’s not really what you are, it’s what you DO, which is so much bigger. 

[bbb]

52 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I am Alabama fan and I had little sympathy for Dareus. The watershed for me was when he showed up to camp fat and out of shape and then worked on a deal to buy another bar in BHM when he was on leave for his brother's funeral. Buying a bar shouldn't be part of the grieving process.

 

The idea that this is racist is absurd.  I actually was POd that there was so MUCH sympathy for Dareus on this board.  I thought he was lazy, meanwhile blaming depression over his half brother, while impregnating a few woman, I guess to relieve depression..............I didn't even know about the bar deal.

 

I feel equally non sympathetic about Richie.  He's an asshat.  I did think he had grown up the last few years but obviously not. 

[teef]

8 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

I guess not. Why don’t you teach me. Your personal attacks are getting just weird.  You could learn some mental health from Richie. 

you consider this a personal attack?  come one ned...you need to toughen up.  well...let's look at it.  cogs is an aging lineman who at time can be a handful.  the bills put a value on him, presented the contract to him and his agent, and they both agreed.  now something happened shortly after that where richie started complaining on twitter, retires, and the bills let him go.  this is followed up by throwing weights at another person at a gym, being taken away by the cops, and a slew of bizarre tweets.  can you really not fathom why the bills were ready to cut ties with this man?  i really liked him in buffalo, but it's pretty obvious that his time in football is over.  but why see it logically when you can just complain about it...right?

[Sky Diver]

29 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

The idea that this is racist is absurd.  I actually was POd that there was so MUCH sympathy for Dareus on this board.  I thought he was lazy, meanwhile blaming depression over his half brother, while impregnating a few woman, I guess to relieve depression..............I didn't even know about the bar deal.

 

I feel equally non sympathetic about Richie.  He's an asshat.  I did think he had grown up the last few years but obviously not. 

 

I looked for the link on the negotiations he was doing on the bar/nightclub when he was in BHM for his brother’s funeral, but couldn’t find it. I reported on it at the time, but there was surprisingly little outrage.

[Cripple Creek]

37 minutes ago, teef said:

you consider this a personal attack?  come one ned...you need to toughen up.  well...let's look at it.  cogs is an aging lineman who at time can be a handful.  the bills put a value on him, presented the contract to him and his agent, and they both agreed.  now something happened shortly after that where richie started complaining on twitter, retires, and the bills let him go.  this is followed up by throwing weights at another person at a gym, being taken away by the cops, and a slew of bizarre tweets.  can you really not fathom why the bills were ready to cut ties with this man?  i really liked him in buffalo, but it's pretty obvious that his time in football is over.  but why see it logically when you can just complain about it...right?

you sound like a bully, you & Richie; birds of a feather.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

......you would think this kid learned his lesson......Bflo took him when the Rams dumped him due to his "squirrel cage".....one year and he wanted out.....blackballed for a year with the Miami fiasco which easily cost him $2+ mil......and of all teams to give him a 2nd chance, Bflo steps up......Overdorf crafts the PERFECT CONTRACT,  a pay as you go deal......eff up and you're gone....model citizen through 16 and there is a nice reward......extended so a total of 3 years in Bflo as a model citizen and OL force......probably could have played two more years and banked $6-7 mil.......instead he redefines "bizarre"  with HC Zimmer as his latest victim ala, "effin' liar".....

[Punching Bag]

On 8/7/2018 at 4:50 PM, ColoradoBills said:

 

The latest crazy train started with the Jacksonville playoff game.

 

I agree.  Something either what he did or how he reacted to investigation triggered reaction by Pegulas/coach/GM.

This lead to disagreement with agent and agent's actions followed by his comment on what medical doctor told him which he used as way to try to get out of contract his agent agreed to.  If he had told Bills he did not understand what agent signed rather than going thru convoluted path.  He would just have been another veteran who was cut refusing a pay cut.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

I agree.  Something either what he did or how he reacted to investigation triggered reaction by Pegulas/coach/GM.

This lead to disagreement with agent and agent's actions followed by his comment on what medical doctor told him which he used as way to try to get out of contract his agent agreed to.  If he had told Bills he did not understand what agent signed rather than going thru convoluted path.  He would just have been another veteran who was cut refusing a pay cut.

 

....how could the "agent sign" without authorization?.....what club would accept an agent signature on behalf of their client?........secondly, wouldn't that require POWER OF ATTORNEY to sign on someone's behalf?...ain't passing the smell test IMO.....

[Punching Bag]

On 8/8/2018 at 6:26 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....how could the "agent sign" without authorization?.....what club would accept an agent signature on behalf of their client?........secondly, wouldn't that require POWER OF ATTORNEY to sign on someone's behalf?...ain't passing the smell test IMO.....

 

Yes that is what I heard from source inside agency his agent had such powers, was busy (assumed with doctors' appointments since comments came at same time) and he agreed to cut over phone.  Not saying Cog was blameless here; he should have taken more time to say yes.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I get the feeling that football is his crutch and now that he doesn't have it....it's hard for him to keep sane.  Going on these bizarre twitter rants is probably him just trying to pass time or something.  Sounds like he's got nothing to keep him occupied which eventually that could get ugly.

 

He has been playing football (his crutch") for many years....and he has been a sociopath all along.  He was suspended multiple times (ultimately "indefinitely") at nebraska, where he fought with his own teammates in the locker room, spit on opponents, then bolted Nebraska and went to Oregon, where the HC dumped him a week later for not going to anger management as was a condition of him getting own the team.  His pathological behavior in Miami get him thrown out of the NFL.

 

It has nothing to do with football.  

[YoloinOhio]

If only Richie had kept his mouth shut

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

If only Richie had kept his mouth shut

 

 

Lets go Beane....dangle the carrot with Ducasse.  I have faith in Wyatt Teller!

[The Red King]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

If only Richie had kept his mouth shut

 

 

He'll shoot the Vikes an upbeat emoji-filled tweet...but only once their training camp is over.  ?

[C.Biscuit97]

20 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I am Alabama fan and I had little sympathy for Dareus. The watershed for me was when he showed up to camp fat and out of shape and then worked on a deal to buy another bar in BHM when he was on leave for his brother's funeral. Buying a bar shouldn't be part of the grieving process.

I get your point.  I’ve also learned a long time ago not to tell anyone how they should grieve.  Especially after your brother gets murdered.

 

I freely admit I have a ton more sympathy for Dareus than Incognito and most other athletes.  His amount of death in his life is more than most people see in a lifetime.  It certainly doesn’t excuse his being lazy but i get it more than most other athletes.  If situations were reversed, I’d feel a lot more sympathy for RI.  However all of his situations seem self inflicted going all the way back to college, if not sooner.  It kinda blows my mind that some fans feel an ounce of pity for him.  I don’t want him to die or anything but he’s not a great guy.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

43 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

He'll shoot the Vikes an upbeat emoji-filled tweet...but only once their training camp is over.  ?

And when the Vikings reply 'no thank you', watch the profanities fly!

Edited August 9, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[nedboy7]

On 8/8/2018 at 2:59 PM, teef said:

you consider this a personal attack?  come one ned...you need to toughen up.  well...let's look at it.  cogs is an aging lineman who at time can be a handful.  the bills put a value on him, presented the contract to him and his agent, and they both agreed.  now something happened shortly after that where richie started complaining on twitter, retires, and the bills let him go.  this is followed up by throwing weights at another person at a gym, being taken away by the cops, and a slew of bizarre tweets.  can you really not fathom why the bills were ready to cut ties with this man?  i really liked him in buffalo, but it's pretty obvious that his time in football is over.  but why see it logically when you can just complain about it...right?

 

When you post that you "hate me" yes I take that and your other comments personally.  I mean listen to yourself.  You hate someone you dont know over posts about football.  You get all agitated over everything I post. If I dont see things your way I am not logical and that's complaining?  I think having a nutjob on the line is great.  I want an in control lunatic blocking for my RB.  This is football.  Seemed to work fine for 3 years. 

 

Edited August 10, 2018 by nedboy7

[teef]

8 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

 

When you post that you "hate me" yes I take that and your other comments personally.  I mean listen to yourself.  You hate someone you dont know over posts about football.  You get all agitated over everything I post. If I dont see things your way I am not logical and that's complaining?  I think having a nutjob on the line is great.  I want an in control lunatic blocking for my RB.  This is football.  Seemed to work fine for 3 years. 

 

I hate you?  Ned...in no way, shape or form do I hate you, or anyone else. If that was said, it was said completely as a joke. I like all different personalities on the board. That’s what makes it fun. 

 

And I do agree with having a bit of a head case on the line. The problem is when it starts tipping over from football crazy to real life crazy. Throwing weights a people at a gym, mumbling about how you’re being followed, and having to be taken away by the police for a mental health evaluation is real life crazy. That’s happened too much with Ritchie. It’s over unfortunately. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Richie retracts it all.  Sad, this guy needs help.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/08/richie-incognito-issues-apology-to-mike-zimmer-deletes-tweets-calling-him-a-liar/