SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 53 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Your attempt to validate him based on preseason performances vs. 3rd stringers is equally as empty. You shouldn’t but it gives you an indication. 26 is always saying Nate had problems last preseason against the rush. And as mentioned TT had the same problems producing points. It seems that the problems carried over for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: I believe that conspiracy theory started as a result of the miked up defensive player on the Chargers (I forget who it was) who came out and said of Mills, "he literally didn't block me..." But, I don't believe for a second that any of that was intentional. I was actually at that game (and, if I have any resentment towards Peterman... OK, I do... it is because I spent good money to watch that piece of history), and I have always maintained that the five interceptions only told half the story. No one on that field wanted to throw a game. Not when we were in playoff contention. But, what I saw in that first half was utter confusion. You could see it in their body language. When Taylor came out the second half, they looked like a different team. I don't disagree with you. I just found it interesting that some have said that. Also, I think the confusion was probably due the fact blocking for a guy like Peterman is much different than blocking for a guy like Tyrod. Pocket style QB vs scramble QB. Tyrod masked a lot of terrible oline play with his mobility, although, to be fair, he also caused a lot of issues with holding the ball too long. I honestly don't subscribe to the theory that they let them smash Peterman on purpose, but maybe they felt deflated that their QB was benched and weren't mentally all there. Who knows. It's over. Tyrod was against NO the previous week. Peterman was all time terrible against SD (I refuse to call them anything but San Diego!!) Oline was terrible. Tyrod is gone. The QB competition is real in so much as McD is basing it on what he sees now, not the giant turd Nate laid last year, or the decent play mccarron showed two+ years ago. Go Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 34 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Good that you mention that... Peterman was sacked exactly once in 49 pass attempts during the regular season. Peterman was sacked four times in 79 pass attempts (54% comp.), to Tyrod Taylor's four in 29 pass attempts (48%) during last year's preseason. Taylor was the veteran, Peterman the rookie. Peterman showed he could lead an offense. Thank you for playing. You are forgetting one thing. Taylor had just finished two full regular seasons as a starting QB. He didn't need to show he could lead an offense. The offense couldn't have been more vanilla if you recall the games. Peterman was in his first chance at showing he could and he did little. And then when he finally had his chance to show what he could do in a real game, he HAD THE WORST HALF A QB HAS EVER PLAYED IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. And it wasn't even close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wily Dog Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I guess I knew when I reminded the Tyrod " troops " of a n explanation for Peterman's ineptness that they came on as they usually do. I am not a Tyrod hater , I only got frustrated with him after three years without progressing. I am not a Peterman " lover "either but i get sick of the continual bashing that went on and still goes on with the same old drivel. Peterman will probably start in the season opener and will continue as our QB until Allen is ready. That said , what are the Peterman Bashers and Hater going to do if McDermott starts him in Baltimore, .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 5/21/2018 at 6:21 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: LAMP. There is nothing to base this on. Says the chief lamper 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: You are forgetting one thing. Taylor had just finished two full regular seasons as a starting QB. He didn't need to show he could lead an offense. The offense couldn't have been more vanilla if you recall the games. Peterman was in his first chance at showing he could and he did little. And then when he finally had his chance to show what he could do in a real game, he HAD THE WORST HALF A QB HAS EVER PLAYED IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. And it wasn't even close. On his third OC he sure as hell needed to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wily Dog said: There was reporting after the game that Joey Bosa said " They didn't bock me " more than once , which he found amazing. IIt also was reported that it had to do with Tyrod's demotion.. It was not a "popular " thing to the Tryod fans who quickly glommed onto the 5 interception fiasco and didn't want to hear any justification for Peterman as that would have been counter-productive to their mission to vilify Peterman. anyone remember another Bills QB that somebody didn't lo o for? Edited June 19, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Says the chief lamper On his third OC he sure as hell needed to. No he didn't. He proved it under two guys that still have jobs in the NFL. One of them a HC partly if not in large part because of Tyrod. The third OC tried to make him and most people around him do things they shouldn't be doing and get fired after one season, even after the team made the playoffs, which showed how awful the OC was. Tyrod is now on his fourth and seems to be doing quite well again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: anyone remember another Bills QB that somebody didn't lo o for? the play cost me my fantasy playoff matchup that year! my best friend and roommate at the time had the damned jets defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 4 hours ago, BurpleBull said: I'm not trying to be a prick, so don't take it that way, but what have you seen Allen do, other than throw the ball harder than the other guys, that allows you to so confidently say that it "shouldn't be too difficult" for him to show that he's better at this stage in his career than both Peterman and McCarron? I'm not a fan of being all enthusiastic about a guy based on his OTA play in shorts, but I have to agree with you. Allen has all the ceiling in the world but there's a long way from being a physically talented guy with a lot of potential, to being a capable NFL starter. There are a lot of questions for each of these QB to answer, which won't be addressed until, really, we see them in the regular season but we'll start to get some notions during training camp and preseason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 20 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Tyrod is now on his fourth and seems to be doing quite well again. For the Browns in camp. Thanks for the laughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: For the Browns in camp. Thanks for the laughs If he wasn't doing well you and all the Never Tyroders would be all over him, screaming "SEE?! He can't even do well in OTAs!" I was just stating a fact that Dennison was awful, and the outlier in Taylor's OC history, which you brought up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/15/2018 at 4:38 PM, reddogblitz said: We'll see what happens. I hope he knocks it out of the park and looks great on the podium hoisting his 2nd and 3rd Lombardi trophies. Not holding my breath though. I do have a new unopened bottle of Tabasco in my cupboard should eating crow be in order . I don't believe Tabasco and crow are a good pairing. My sources suggest bacon, carrots, onions, and parsley along with a good gravy well-seasoned with salt and pepper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 this wasn't the QB controversy I was expecting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, stuvian said: this wasn't the QB controversy I was expecting Perhaps you wanted an argument? Thats down the hall.. 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't believe Tabasco and crow are a good pairing. My sources suggest bacon, carrots, onions, and parsley along with a good gravy well-seasoned with salt and pepper. tell me you have never added Tabasco to a sausage gravy ? Tell the truth Hap !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: If he wasn't doing well you and all the Never Tyroders would be all over him, screaming "SEE?! He can't even do well in OTAs!" I was just stating a fact that Dennison was awful, and the outlier in Taylor's OC history, which you brought up. Never never? hes where he belongs is that what what you want to see? Or what you want to believe? you brought up Taylor deserving it. I disagreed. Sorry you got off kilter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: You shouldn’t but it gives you an indication. 26 is always saying Nate had problems last preseason against the rush. And as mentioned TT had the same problems producing points. It seems that the problems carried over for both. Fair but 29 preseason pass attempts is a small sample size for a guy with 30 regular season starts. 2 hours ago, Wily Dog said: I guess I knew when I reminded the Tyrod " troops " of a n explanation for Peterman's ineptness that they came on as they usually do. I am not a Tyrod hater , I only got frustrated with him after three years without progressing. I am not a Peterman " lover "either but i get sick of the continual bashing that went on and still goes on with the same old drivel. Peterman will probably start in the season opener and will continue as our QB until Allen is ready. That said , what are the Peterman Bashers and Hater going to do if McDermott starts him in Baltimore, .? Hope that he plays great...what else would we want? HOPING that he will be great and THINKING that he will aren’t the same. I think that he stinks. I hope that he goes to the HOF and wins Super Bowls as the Bills QB. Edited June 19, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 19, 2018 Author Share Posted June 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not a fan of being all enthusiastic about a guy based on his OTA play in shorts, but I have to agree with you. Allen has all the ceiling in the world but there's a long way from being a physically talented guy with a lot of potential, to being a capable NFL starter. There are a lot of questions for each of these QB to answer, which won't be addressed until, really, we see them in the regular season but we'll start to get some notions during training camp and preseason. I'm with you, I feel it's preseason football where everything becomes clearer and the big decision will be made, although I feel I read or heard somewhere that Daboll/McDermott will know who they're rolling with at some point during training camp. I think some are willing to discount all the other variables that they know go in to making a QB starter quality, if it means placing Allen in the driver seat, ready to take the wheel or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Tyrod is now on his fourth and seems to be doing quite well again. Quite well ? Is he ready to churn out another 130 yard season ending performance ? Cot guys so triggered by Peterman ??? Edited June 20, 2018 by Teddy KGB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Quite well ? Is he ready to churn out another 130 yard season ending performance ? Cot guys so triggered by Peterman ??? Hey, I hope Peterman has Tyrod’s career. If he starts 40 something games and throws 3 times as many TDs as INTs it will be a MASSIVE success. Does anyone expect that to happen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 5/21/2018 at 3:16 PM, BurpleBull said: Nathan Peterman will win the starting QB position barring injury. He'll be much improved from last season. Excited about Josh Allen as the starting QB, but Peterman is the guy people aren't talking about right now who will have everyone talking by the end of training camp. He's worked on his mechanics, is said to have added velocity to his throws, has a lot to prove and is no stranger to struggling early in his career and picking himself up. A little talked about fact concerning Peterman is that he's right up there with Allen as Bills QB's who've scored high on the Wonderlic test for those who equate the test to mental sharpness. I still hold to the belief that Peterman was at the very least a third round prospect in his draft class. Peterman will be the guy. So this is how I have it panning out... 1. Peterman 2. McCarron 3. Allen With Allen at three for his protection as he starts out his young career. Lord have mercy on our souls. Peterman is HORRIBLE. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Your attempt to validate him based on preseason performances vs. 3rd stringers is equally as empty. I base Peterman's potential off of his college play and what he showed in his first action of pre-season and regular season play, and yes I'm aware of him throwing five interceptions. That's not empty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: I base Peterman's potential off of his college play and what he showed in his first action of pre-season and regular season play, and yes I'm aware of him throwing five interceptions. That's not empty. Good enough to be drafted at the end of the fifth round where about one out of fifty turns out to be a solid starting QB? I like them odds! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: You are forgetting one thing. Taylor had just finished two full regular seasons as a starting QB. He didn't need to show he could lead an offense. The offense couldn't have been more vanilla if you recall the games. Peterman was in his first chance at showing he could and he did little. And then when he finally had his chance to show what he could do in a real game, he HAD THE WORST HALF A QB HAS EVER PLAYED IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. And it wasn't even close. I'm pretty sure as you witnessed Taylor's performance you were able to dismiss it and not view it as a reminder of previous struggles due to him finishing two full seasons as a starting QB. I was watching to see progression as a QB from the last season and a firm grasp of the new offense under Dennison from Taylor, although I'm certain you weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: I base Peterman's potential off of his college play and what he showed in his first action of pre-season and regular season play, and yes I'm aware of him throwing five interceptions. That's not empty. 54% completion and 5.7 YPA impresses you? I’m sorry but my standards are higher than that. You’re entitled to your opinion but we aren’t ever going to agree on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Good enough to be drafted at the end of the fifth round where about one out of fifty turns out to be a solid starting QB? I like them odds! have there been 49 since Tommy was drafted? We're due. Edited June 20, 2018 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: 54% completion and 5.7 YPA impresses you? I’m sorry but my standards are higher than that. You’re entitled to your opinion but we aren’t ever going to agree on that. It's not always about numbers. If Peterman builds on last season, the numbers are sure to follow. Peterman showed passing willingness that Taylor just didn't a lot of times, along with good accuracy. He can build on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Good enough to be drafted at the end of the fifth round where about one out of fifty turns out to be a solid starting QB? I like them odds! But Tom Brady... I won't even go there. How about Marc Bulger in the 6th? A pick was actually used on Peterman, what about those who weren't even drafted that went on to have solid careers? Kurt Warner, Tony Romo,... Peterman has his shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: Perhaps you wanted an argument? Thats down the hall.. tell me you have never added Tabasco to a sausage gravy ? Tell the truth Hap !! I’m a great lover of Tobasco, myself. But when it comes to a Southern sausage gravy (nothing else should be served with crow) it’s Red Rooster, or Crystal, ftw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: It's not always about numbers. If Peterman builds on last season, the numbers are sure to follow. Peterman showed passing willingness that Taylor just didn't a lot of times, along with good accuracy. He can build on that. He didn’t show “good accuracy” though. You wanted him to. He completed 54% for 5.7 YPA in the preseason. He completed 49% in the regular season with a 5.1 YPA. That is absolutely awful!! There is nothing to build on. If you want to say “you like the way that he has looked this offseason after struggling so badly” that would be fair. To say that he showed “good accuracy” that’s just not accurate (no pun intended). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: It's not always about numbers. If Peterman builds on last season, the numbers are sure to follow. Peterman showed passing willingness that Taylor just didn't a lot of times, along with good accuracy. He can build on that. You will say anything to prop up Peterman to the point where it is weird. Is there another QB alive (or any other player, for that matter), that you are so willing to give such a long tether? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Tcali said: Lord have mercy on our souls. Peterman is HORRIBLE. The coaches don't think so , so whats your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He didn’t show “good accuracy” though. You wanted him to. He completed 54% for 5.7 YPA in the preseason. He completed 49% in the regular season with a 5.1 YPA. That is absolutely awful!! There is nothing to build on. If you want to say “you like the way that he has looked this offseason after struggling so badly” that would be fair. To say that he showed “good accuracy” that’s just not accurate (no pun intended). I can feel it.....with one or two more posts he’s going to sway you and you’ll join his side! I can tell you’re close..... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Augie said: I can feel it.....with one or two more posts he’s going to sway you and you’ll join his side! I can tell you’re close..... ? It’s like saying “Lee Smith showed good speed.” If you liked Lee Smith’s blocking, fine. If you liked his speed, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He lost me at "first of all, Mike Rodak, who had this story, is a superb reporter." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s like saying “Lee Smith showed good speed.” If you liked Lee Smith’s blocking, fine. If you liked his speed, no. Lee "I don't cut" Smith? Remember that one? IIRC, he caught a pass near the sideline and after the play a lineman blocking downfield for him asked him why he didn't just cut inside of the block where the field was wide open and he could have got a huge chunk of YAC and Smith said, "I don't cut." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I predict 20 more pages by months end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Fair but 29 preseason pass attempts is a small sample size for a guy with 30 regular season starts. Hope that he plays great...what else would we want? HOPING that he will be great and THINKING that he will aren’t the same. I think that he stinks. I hope that he goes to the HOF and wins Super Bowls as the Bills QB. So you think he stinks , that is your right but you are going against some football people that i would surmise know a hell of a lot more about football than you , The coaches of the Bills for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: He didn’t show “good accuracy” though. You wanted him to. He completed 54% for 5.7 YPA in the preseason. He completed 49% in the regular season with a 5.1 YPA. That is absolutely awful!! There is nothing to build on. If you want to say “you like the way that he has looked this offseason after struggling so badly” that would be fair. To say that he showed “good accuracy” that’s just not accurate (no pun intended). He did show good accuracy, not with every pass, but he did show accuracy that I feel can be built on. There's a difference between having good accuracy, posting 54% and 49% comp. percentages for various reasons and being an errant, erratic passer. Peterman's not an errant or erratic passer. He wasn't in college and in the pros you can really only point to one out of five games that he appeared in, if you wanted to make the argument that he is. He was praised for being accurate when throwing from a clean pocket, it's when he's been under duress early on that his numbers tended to dip, but with more acclimation to the pro game, I would expect more comfort operating within the pocket and better production. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s like saying “Lee Smith showed good speed.” If you liked Lee Smith’s blocking, fine. If you liked his speed, no. Make no mistake, Big Lee Smith could bring the heat: WRT this thread...I'm amazed the conversation has lasted this long. Apologies for the distraction. Nothing to see here. Carry on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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