Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

[Lfod]

1 hour ago, BurpleBull said:

 

It's funny, they sound exactly like some in here. Especially the shorter guy...same sentiments.

My speculation is based on what I seen unfold. I seen McDermott for whatever reason make a choice to try something different. That is a HC I want and can believe in. 

 

The same people that pile on him for starting Peterman early are calling to start Josh Allen early. I just sometimes wonder what kind of HC they want. They want him to learn a lesson then go out and do the same thing essentially, start a rookie. I just don't think they know what kind of HC they want. I'm happy I got the HC I want. I support him 100% no matter who starts the season. I do that because if it isn't good enough down the stretch changes will be made. 

 

Those changes might not work out and the people will be critical at every failed move. I won't be. It's the growing pains of the team. I don't agree with the people who pile on one 5 interception game. They can stay back in the past and hold onto any hope that what they have will be good enough. I'm willing to understand the struggle is real and you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. 

 

I think it's to early to be certain of anything. I'm certainly not letting draft hopes and dreams taint my view of the reality of the QB situation in Buffalo. I'll put my hopes into all 3 with the understanding that the odds are against them. 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Lfod

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Feel free to read the other 40 pages of people acting like Nate is the worst QB in history and seen offended that he might start.

 

He did have the worst half of any QB in history since the NFL/AFL merger.

[fridge]

3 hours ago, Captain Murica said:

 

So pumped. 

 

I'm not even that high on Peterman, but this a joke of a post. You're going to cite the time he was thrust into a playoff game with two minutes to go, on the road, against arguably the top defense/secondary in the AFC?

 

There's plenty of reasons to knock on Peterman, but this isn't it.

[Captain Murica]

2 minutes ago, fridge said:

 

I'm not even that high on Peterman, but this a joke of a post. You're going to cite the time he was thrust into a playoff game with two minutes to go, on the road, against arguably the top defense/secondary in the AFC?

 

There's plenty of reasons to knock on Peterman, but this isn't it.

 

The only joke is his arm strength. This is one of MANY reasons to knock him. It's an example of of his MANY knocks coming out of college. If he starts the season we are in a world of trouble. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Captain Murica

[reddogblitz]

2 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

The only joke is his arm strength. This is one of MANY reasons to knock him. It's an example of of his MANY knocks coming out of college. If he starts the season we are in a world of trouble. 

 

Or tanking ...

[Captain Murica]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

Or tanking ...

I mean if that's the route they want to take then he would be the best one to do it. I guess I'm just a dick and have no faith in the kid. I guess I'm not allowed to be sarcastic or lighthearted about my angst about Peterman's abilities. 

 

WEAKNESSES

 Inconsistent delivery base causes some throws to sail. Has instances where he short strides and is forced to muscle it to his target. Will float some throws on seams and dig routes. Will have to be mindful to drive the ball on pro level to avoid the ballhawks who are lurking at safety. Has to prove he has enough arm to challenge the same tight windows he did in college. Ball handling a little sluggish in wide receiver screens, hitches and most RPOs (run, pass option). Wants to play hero-ball at times. Needs to learn when to air-mail throw and move to next play rather than trying to get too cute with sideline throws. Can improve overall touch.

[Lfod]

If you crusaded against Peterman that hard be prepared to eat crow if you were wrong. I'm not talking about having doubts either. I'm talking 40 pages deep repeating the 5 interceptions again and again. Only so many times you can say something before it's a broken record. You only need to be on record about your feelings once. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Lfod

[fridge]

15 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

 

The only joke is his arm strength. This is one of MANY reasons to knock him. It's an example of of his MANY knocks coming out of college. If he starts the season we are in a world of trouble. 

 

We get it. You're not the first person to say he has a weak arm.  The funny thing is that he had more zip on his passes than Tyrod, and a lot of people were laughing about the weak arm criticism.  We were down very late in a road playoff game and the other QB barely sniffed the red zone. I'm perfectly ok with our QB trying to force it in there rather than stroll out of bounds on fourth down or take a sack or any of the god awful boring check down QB play I've had to witness for nearly 20 years.

 

Is Peterman the answer? God no, but he's not even remotely the guy I would be getting worked up about on this roster.  With three QBs, if Peterman gets the first nod and he throws 5 INTs again, you can be calmly assured one of the other guys will be starting the next game.

[BurpleBull]

3 hours ago, Lfod said:

My speculation is based on what I seen unfold. I seen McDermott for whatever reason make a choice to try something different. That is a HC I want and can believe in. 

 

The same people that pile on him for starting Peterman early are calling to start Josh Allen early. I just sometimes wonder what kind of HC they want. They want him to learn a lesson then go out and do the same thing essentially, start a rookie. I just don't think they know what kind of HC they want. I'm happy I got the HC I want. I support him 100% no matter who starts the season. I do that because if it isn't good enough down the stretch changes will be made. 

 

Those changes might not work out and the people will be critical at every failed move. I won't be. It's the growing pains of the team. I don't agree with the people who pile on one 5 interception game. They can stay back in the past and hold onto any hope that what they have will be good enough. I'm willing to understand the struggle is real and you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. 

 

I think it's to early to be certain of anything. I'm certainly not letting draft hopes and dreams taint my view of the reality of the QB situation in Buffalo. I'll put my hopes into all 3 with the understanding that the odds are against them. 

 

 

 

And what's more is that the same who are calling for Allen to be named starter early on as you pointed out, just as Peterman was tried out early in the Chargers game with negative results, didn't even want this Josh to be the one chosen in the draft if the Bills were going to go with a Josh.

 

But now they are so adamant that he starts out over Peterman for no other reason than him having more upside.

 

They're essentially being the little kid in the sandbox who snatches his ball and goes "You can't plaaay!" to the other kid that just entered the sandbox.

 

They don't care how well Peterman plays...they don't want him in the conversation...they just don't want him to play.

[transplantbillsfan]

16 hours ago, prissythecat said:

I wonder if there are some Vegas propositions on which player will be the Bills starting QB .

 

Also, I wonder if W-L  predictions can swing depending on that player.

 

I know that soon after Allen was drafted, he was projected by Vegas to start more games his rookie season than any of the other rookies. I think the projection was 10...

 

Also...

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2018/06/18/buffalo-bills-3-reasons-josh-allen-will-start-week-1/amp/

Buffalo Bills: 3 reasons why Josh Allen will start Week 1

1. Peterman’s minicamp success is fool’s gold

Admittedly, I was one of the early adopters of the Nathan Peterman bandwagon. I bought in that his strong collegiate numbers at Pitt, cerebral nature (fact: he has an MBA) and hardworking attitude would be an ideal fit for the Bills. Heck, he even beat Deshaun Watson’s powerful Clemson team with a glorious five touchdown, zero interception performance.

 

Upon falling to the Bills as a fifth round steal, the rookie showed flashes of promise in both training camp and preseason. It was only a matter of time that he would supplant ultra-conservative incumbent Tyrod Taylor as the team’s quarterback.

 

Well, we all know what happened Week 11 at the StubHub Center in Carson, CA.

 

...

 

The concern is that Peterman has shown, albeit in a small sample size, a level of discomfort in game-time situations that is unbecoming of any legitimate starting NFL quarterback. From a historically awful five interception game, to clumsily leaving himself susceptible to a concussion with only one healthy quarterback behind him on the depth chart, to looking like a deer in the headlights when being pressed into action for the team’s first playoff game in 18 years. Peterman has looked shook.

[transplantbillsfan]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yep. According to his source Allen is distantly in 3rd, McCarron in 2nd, and Peterman 1st. If he's correct that Allen is "distantly" in 3rd then it confirms what I thought, which is that the real competition is between Peterman and McCarron and Allen will be brought along slowly. And I would bet they will keep Allen on the bench until the winner of that competition shows he isn't getting it done.

 

I think the team is largely already rallying behind Allen and his "distinctly 3rd" is largely symbolic, nothing more.

 

I said before OTAs I thought him starting as 3rd string was purely symbolic and that Allen would start getting 1st team reps by minicamp, which he did.

 

Yes, McDermott has said he's going into TC as 3rd, still... but let's see if that lasts more than a few days because the more prolonged this QB competition is (and right now, it's pretty obviously just that), I'd say the odds go up for Allen.

 

Plus, I think if Peterman starts the year especially in Baltimore against that Defense... he might have some deja vu back to the Chargers game, and I'm sure the Ravens would be looking at Peterman's NFL tape and seeing that when he throws, you can jump routes easy, because when he throws, it looks something like this:

 

[njbuff]

Hate to break to the "Don't start Allen right away" crowd....................

 

If Allen shows anything in TC, he is the starter. Case closed. 

 

Allen is battling QB's are basically as inexperienced as him, so if he is the best QB, he is starting day one.

 

The other 4 QB's drafted in the first round have experience aplenty ahead of them on their depth charts, Buffalo doesn't.

 

Allen has the best shot to be a day one starter by a country mile.

 

Peterman's lack of arm talent is very troubling and McCarron has been a back up for a reason.

[BurpleBull]

2 hours ago, njbuff said:

Hate to break to the "Don't start Allen right away" crowd....................

 

If Allen shows anything in TC, he is the starter. Case closed. 

 

Allen is battling QB's are basically as inexperienced as him, so if he is the best QB, he is starting day one.

 

The other 4 QB's drafted in the first round have experience aplenty ahead of them on their depth charts, Buffalo doesn't.

 

Allen has the best shot to be a day one starter by a country mile.

 

Peterman's lack of arm talent is very troubling and McCarron has been a back up for a reason.

 

'Shows anything' meaning what?

[SouthNYfan]

12 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

 Then I will stand on my original statement: Literally NOBODY has suggested that they want Peterman to fail.

 

And, the only offense I have seen are from people who feel like a disagreement regarding the negative analysis of a player amounts to "hating." It doesn't. Perhaps people should learn to not be so offended by disagreement?

 

 

We can agree to disagree at what sentiments we see within the posts.

 

My overall feeling is this:

-I want Allen to sit and learn, I think that with new OC and system being integrated, they should let the rest of the offense get to running it well before they try to bring him in

-based on prior NFL performance mccarron obviously has the lead on Peterman, but it cannot be discounted that he was throwing to a stacked receiver corps, and also that it was 2+ years ago that those performances are coming from, so who knows if he's gotten better or worse since

-same can be said for Peterman, that last year was just that, last year, and if he's made strides and objective improvements that the coaches see, then why not give him a shot?

-our first half of the season is pretty brutal, so I would rather mccarron or Peterman be the sacrificial lamb over Allen

 

I am in no way a Peterman homer, I just think that if he's looking good in training camp and preseason then he should get the nod in week one, and if he sucks then he sucks, and I feel the same about mccarron.

 

11 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

He did have the worst half of any QB in history since the NFL/AFL merger.

 

That he did.

No disagreement there.

At least he didn't throw 8 which is the record ?

[BurpleBull]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I know that soon after Allen was drafted, he was projected by Vegas to start more games his rookie season than any of the other rookies. I think the projection was 10...

 

Also...

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2018/06/18/buffalo-bills-3-reasons-josh-allen-will-start-week-1/amp/

Buffalo Bills: 3 reasons why Josh Allen will start Week 1

1. Peterman’s minicamp success is fool’s gold

Admittedly, I was one of the early adopters of the Nathan Peterman bandwagon. I bought in that his strong collegiate numbers at Pitt, cerebral nature (fact: he has an MBA) and hardworking attitude would be an ideal fit for the Bills. Heck, he even beat Deshaun Watson’s powerful Clemson team with a glorious five touchdown, zero interception performance.

 

Upon falling to the Bills as a fifth round steal, the rookie showed flashes of promise in both training camp and preseason. It was only a matter of time that he would supplant ultra-conservative incumbent Tyrod Taylor as the team’s quarterback.

 

Well, we all know what happened Week 11 at the StubHub Center in Carson, CA.

 

...

 

The concern is that Peterman has shown, albeit in a small sample size, a level of discomfort in game-time situations that is unbecoming of any legitimate starting NFL quarterback. From a historically awful five interception game, to clumsily leaving himself susceptible to a concussion with only one healthy quarterback behind him on the depth chart, to looking like a deer in the headlights when being pressed into action for the team’s first playoff game in 18 years. Peterman has looked shook.

 

That's all I needed to read to know that all of this is just the offering of an amateur writer with an opinion.

 

If not that, then this, which you conveniently omitted.

 

"Yes, Peterman did register the best passing statistics of his quarterback competition at camp, and did so mostly against the Bills first-team defense. I, for one, am taking this as nothing more than fool’s gold".

 

BuffaLowDown.com has seemingly been on a biased, anti-Peterman crusade for a long time, so it makes sense that you would go there for support in your stance against him. 

[HappyDays]

 

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

We can agree to disagree at what sentiments we see within the posts.

 

My overall feeling is this:

-I want Allen to sit and learn, I think that with new OC and system being integrated, they should let the rest of the offense get to running it well before they try to bring him in

-based on prior NFL performance mccarron obviously has the lead on Peterman, but it cannot be discounted that he was throwing to a stacked receiver corps, and also that it was 2+ years ago that those performances are coming from, so who knows if he's gotten better or worse since

-same can be said for Peterman, that last year was just that, last year, and if he's made strides and objective improvements that the coaches see, then why not give him a shot?

-our first half of the season is pretty brutal, so I would rather mccarron or Peterman be the sacrificial lamb over Allen

 

I am in no way a Peterman homer, I just think that if he's looking good in training camp and preseason then he should get the nod in week one, and if he sucks then he sucks, and I feel the same about mccarron.

 

 

That he did.

No disagreement there.

At least he didn't throw 8 which is the record ?

Pretty much agree with all of this. And, I will say this about Peterman: If he bounces back from such an historically bad rookie outing to the point where he is a viable starter, it would be momentous. 

To the bolded: he probably would have if they left him in.

[SouthNYfan]

29 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Pretty much agree with all of this. And, I will say this about Peterman: If he bounces back from such an historically bad rookie outing to the point where he is a viable starter, it would be momentous. 

To the bolded: he probably would have if they left him in.

 

Yeah he prob would have hit 8 ints.

There is a bunch of chatter that some of the oline purpose of let pass rush through on purpose as a protest of the Tyrod benching.

Honestly no way to prove it without a direct admission, but some of those "blocks" looked pretty suspect.

Anyway, Nate had a all time bad game.

I think I'm not going to write him off on such a small sample size, just like I'm not willing to anoint deshaun Watson all time great after a few games.

 

I just saw this article:

 

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/06/buffalo_bills_qb_nathan_peterman_is_terrible_at_football_says_adam_schein.amp

 

 

My fave part:

 

"I could not believe my eyes this weekend when I saw a report that Nathan Peterman--yeah, Nathan Peterman--who threw five interceptions in the first half of his first NFL start (was) still in the mix to win the Bills' starting quarterback job. Wait, what? I mean, first of all, Mike Rodak, who had this story, is a superb reporter. I have a better chance to start in Week 1 for the Buffalo Bills than Nathan Peterman. It's not going to happen. Mainly because Nathan Peterman is terrible at football."

 

I mean he called Rodak a "superb reporter"

I think we can agree that invalidates the rest of his opinions ??

Edited June 19, 2018 by SouthNYfan

[njbuff]

3 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

'Shows anything' meaning what?

 

If he shows he is better than Peterman or McCarron, which shouldn't be too difficult.

 

Allen may not start the season, MAY NOT, but he will most certainly take over at some point early in the season.

 

If Peterman or McCarron start the season, I would expect them to look like the back up QB's they are.

 

I will be shocked by any other result. Peterman or McCarron being a good starting NFL QB would shock me.

[BurpleBull]

25 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

If he shows he is better than Peterman or McCarron, which shouldn't be too difficult.

 

Allen may not start the season, MAY NOT, but he will most certainly take over at some point early in the season.

 

If Peterman or McCarron start the season, I would expect them to look like the back up QB's they are.

 

I will be shocked by any other result. Peterman or McCarron being a good starting NFL QB would shock me.

 

I'm not trying to be a prick, so don't take it that way, but what have you seen Allen do, other than throw the ball harder than the other guys, that allows you to so confidently say that it "shouldn't be too difficult" for him to show that he's better at this stage in his career than both Peterman and McCarron?

[Wily Dog]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Yeah he prob would have hit 8 ints.

There is a bunch of chatter that some of the oline purpose of let pass rush through on purpose as a protest of the Tyrod benching.

Honestly no way to prove it without a direct admission, but some of those "blocks" looked pretty suspect.

Anyway, Nate had a all time bad game.

I think I'm not going to write him off on such a small sample size, just like I'm not willing to anoint deshaun Watson all time great after a few games.

 

I just saw this article:

 

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/06/buffalo_bills_qb_nathan_peterman_is_terrible_at_football_says_adam_schein.amp

 

 

My fave part:

 

"I could not believe my eyes this weekend when I saw a report that Nathan Peterman--yeah, Nathan Peterman--who threw five interceptions in the first half of his first NFL start (was) still in the mix to win the Bills' starting quarterback job. Wait, what? I mean, first of all, Mike Rodak, who had this story, is a superb reporter. I have a better chance to start in Week 1 for the Buffalo Bills than Nathan Peterman. It's not going to happen. Mainly because Nathan Peterman is terrible at football."

 

I mean he called Rodak a "superb reporter"

I think we can agree that invalidates the rest of his opinions ??

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

locks" lookedHonestly no way to prove it without a direct admission, but some of those "b pretty suspect.

Anyway, Nate had a all time bad game.

I think I'm not going to write him off on such a small sample size, just like I'm not willing to anoint deshaun Watson all time great after a few games.

 

I just saw this article:

 

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/06/buffalo_bills_qb_nathan_peterman_is_terrible_at_football_says_adam_schein.amp

 

 

My fave part:

 

"I could not believe my eyes this weekend when I saw a report that Nathan Peterman--yeah, Nathan Peterman--who threw five interceptions in the first half of his first NFL start (was) still in the mix to win the Bills' starting quarterback job. Wait, what? I mean, first of all, Mike Rodak, who had this story, is a superb reporter. I have a better chance to start in Week 1 for the Buffalo Bills than Nathan Peterman. It's not going to happen. Mainly because Nathan Peterman is terrible at football."

 

I mean he called Rodak a "superb reporter"

I think we can agree that invalidates the rest of his opinions ??

 

There was reporting after the  game that Joey  Bosa  said  " They didn't bock me " more than once  , which he found amazing. IIt also was reported that it had to do with Tyrod's demotion.. It was not a "popular " thing to the Tryod fans who quickly glommed onto the 5 interception fiasco and didn't want to hear any justification for Peterman as that would have been counter-productive to their mission to vilify Peterman. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

There was reporting after the  game that Joey  Bosa  said  " They didn't bock me " more than once  , which he found amazing. IIt also was reported that it had to do with Tyrod's demotion.. It was not a "popular " thing to the Tryod fans who quickly glommed onto the 5 interception fiasco and didn't want to hear any justification for Peterman as that would have been counter-productive to their mission to vilify Peterman. 

Ockham’s Razor

 

It’s much more likely that he struggled than some conspiracy theory that a playoff team would sabotage the game in protest. 

[Stank_Nasty]

24 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

 

There was reporting after the  game that Joey  Bosa  said  " They didn't bock me " more than once  , which he found amazing. IIt also was reported that it had to do with Tyrod's demotion.. It was not a "popular " thing to the Tryod fans who quickly glommed onto the 5 interception fiasco and didn't want to hear any justification for Peterman as that would have been counter-productive to their mission to vilify Peterman. 

bad lines screw up and let people run free to the qb plenty. I heard bosa's sound bite. I didn't look too far into it one bit.  anyone trying to say it was some sort of conspiracy honestly looks like a complete fool..... they also need to rewind the tape 2 weeks prior to the jets game and watch the same line let the jets d-line literally swallow up taylor within a second or 2, play after play after play.

 

 

[njbuff]

1 hour ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I'm not trying to be a prick, so don't take it that way, but what have you seen Allen do, other than throw the ball harder than the other guys, that allows you to so confidently say that it "shouldn't be too difficult" for him to show that he's better at this stage in his career than both Peterman and McCarron?

 

It could also be a major indictment of Peterman and McCarron's ability to play the QB position as well.

[JohnC]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Ockham’s Razor

 

It’s much more likely that he struggled than some conspiracy theory that a playoff team would sabotage the game in protest. 

I agree with you that in the Charger game the rookie was simply overwhelmed. That game was last year. The issue of whether it represented his future play means little in comparison how he plays this year in camp and entering the season. My belief is that Allen is eventually going to start sometime this season. Even if the big armed rookie qb doesn't get much playing time this year it is recognized that he is going to be our franchise qb.

 

I'm not as down on Peterman as you are. I still see a role for him as a backup this year. As far as his long term prospects with the Bills it is at best as a backup qb. If he attains that role then I will be more than satisfied with it.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I agree with you that in the Charger game the rookie was simply overwhelmed. That game was last year. The issue of whether it represented his future play means little in comparison how he plays this year in camp and entering the season. My belief is that Allen is eventually going to start sometime this season. Even if the big armed rookie qb doesn't get much playing time this year it is recognized that he is going to be our franchise qb.

 

I'm not as down on Peterman as you are. I still see a role for him as a backup this year. As far as his long term prospects with the Bills it is at best as a backup qb. If he attains that role then I will be more than satisfied with it.

That’s fair John. If he can be a “Matt Moore” type on a rookie contract it will be great. That would be really valuable to the Bills. 

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Yeah he prob would have hit 8 ints.

There is a bunch of chatter that some of the oline purpose of let pass rush through on purpose as a protest of the Tyrod benching.

Honestly no way to prove it without a direct admission, but some of those "blocks" looked pretty suspect.

Anyway, Nate had a all time bad game.

I think I'm not going to write him off on such a small sample size, just like I'm not willing to anoint deshaun Watson all time great after a few games.

 

I just saw this article:

 

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/06/buffalo_bills_qb_nathan_peterman_is_terrible_at_football_says_adam_schein.amp

 

 

My fave part:

 

"I could not believe my eyes this weekend when I saw a report that Nathan Peterman--yeah, Nathan Peterman--who threw five interceptions in the first half of his first NFL start (was) still in the mix to win the Bills' starting quarterback job. Wait, what? I mean, first of all, Mike Rodak, who had this story, is a superb reporter. I have a better chance to start in Week 1 for the Buffalo Bills than Nathan Peterman. It's not going to happen. Mainly because Nathan Peterman is terrible at football."

 

I mean he called Rodak a "superb reporter"

I think we can agree that invalidates the rest of his opinions ??

I believe that conspiracy theory started as a result of the miked up defensive player on the Chargers (I forget who it was) who came out and said of Mills, "he literally didn't block me..."

 

But, I don't believe for a second that any of that was intentional. I was actually at that game (and, if I have any resentment towards Peterman... OK, I do... it is because I spent good money to watch that piece of history), and I have always maintained that the five interceptions only told half the story. No one on that field wanted to throw a game. Not when we were in playoff contention. But, what I saw in that first half was utter confusion. You could see it in their body language. When Taylor came out the second half, they looked like a different team. 

[Kelly the Dog]

On 6/17/2018 at 3:22 PM, BurpleBull said:

 

Who are you to declare that he impressed none?

 

Maybe you have your own understanding of what it means to impress, perhaps you're expressing a biased view because you don't feel he's the Bills best option to start, but he did impress a lot of people in last year's preseason.

 

Showed poise and ability to lead an offense.

 

 

One TD and 54% completion and one pass completed over 15 yards in the air and shaky against the rush you mean?

On 6/18/2018 at 8:00 AM, eball said:

 

I would argue that this would be just about the strangest thing ever to happen in the history of the NFL.  Peterman shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Brady unless that sentence is "Peterman is nothing like Brady."

We should have a (Marquis) Goodwin's Law with Brady, like Godwin's Law and Hitler. First one to mention Brady in a thread trying to prove a point about good quarterbacking loses. 

[Royale with Cheese]

I really won't know how I feel if Peterman starts.  I really liked him coming out of college.  Then the Charger game was a kick in the balls.

I didn't think he had a shot this year and thought if Allen shows promise early and McCaron is steady.....Peterman might not make the team.

 

But then he gets either the majority or the same amount of reps with the 1st team along with McCaron.....so it really looks like he's not an afterthought with the coaching staff.  He legitimately could win it.  
If he does start against the Ravens, I will have no idea what to expect.

[BurpleBull]

30 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

It could also be a major indictment of Peterman and McCarron's ability to play the QB position as well.

 

This response doesn't answer the question.

 

I asked what you've seen from Allen other than throwing the football very hard that allows you to say that showing that he's better than both Peterman and McCarron shouldn't be difficult a task?

 

Arm strength and sound of football whizzing through the air aside, what have you even just heard from reports that leads you to believe that Allen showing that he's better than Peterman and McCarron "shouldn't be too difficult" even at this stage of his development?

 

I'm just curious.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 hours ago, fridge said:

 

I'm not even that high on Peterman, but this a joke of a post. You're going to cite the time he was thrust into a playoff game with two minutes to go, on the road, against arguably the top defense/secondary in the AFC?

 

There's plenty of reasons to knock on Peterman, but this isn't it.

of course he is.  

 

the WR was doing exactly what he did for Tyrod.   - run route, turn stop, wait 

[njbuff]

9 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

This response doesn't answer the question.

 

I asked what you've seen from Allen other than throwing the football very hard that allows you to say that showing that he's better than both Peterman and McCarron shouldn't be difficult a task?

 

Arm strength and sound of football whizzing through the air aside, what have you even just heard from reports that leads you to believe that Allen showing that he's better than Peterman and McCarron "shouldn't be too difficult" even at this stage of his development?

 

I'm just curious.

 

Allen has the talent and the football smarts to win the job right away.

 

TC, OF COURSE, is going to tell the story.

 

Allen is the more talented QB than both Peterman and McCarron. Why is this so hard to figure out?

[BurpleBull]

18 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

One TD and 54% completion and one pass completed over 15 yards in the air and shaky against the rush you mean?

We should have a (Marquis) Goodwin's Law with Brady, like Godwin's Law and Hitler. First one to mention Brady in a thread trying to prove a point about good quarterbacking loses. 

 

Do you realize that Peterman as a rookie in preseason led the Bills on its only TD drive, prior to him being inserted into action with the first team offense against the Ravens? 

 

Tyrod Taylor couldn't generate a TD drive up to that point working with the 1st team and I believe he completed only 49% of his passes.

 

Peterman threw a pretty TD pass in the Vikings game, and set the Bills up for points in both the Eagles and Lions finale. 

 

Your attempt to discredit Peterman is a very empty one, that doesn't tell the whole story.

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, BurpleBull said:

 

Do you realize that Peterman as a rookie in preseason led the Bills on its only TD drive, prior to him being inserted into action with the first team offense against the Ravens? 

 

Tyrod Taylor couldn't generate a TD drive up to that point working with the 1st team and I believe he completed only 49% of his passes.

 

Peterman threw a pretty TD pass in the Vikings game, and set the Bills up for points in both the Eagles and Lions finale. 

 

Your attempt to discredit Peterman is a very empty one, that doesn't tell the whole story.

Your attempt to validate him based on preseason performances vs. 3rd stringers is equally as empty.

[Kelly the Dog]

13 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

This response doesn't answer the question.

 

I asked what you've seen from Allen other than throwing the football very hard that allows you to say that showing that he's better than both Peterman and McCarron shouldn't be difficult a task?

 

Arm strength and sound of football whizzing through the air aside, what have you even just heard from reports that leads you to believe that Allen showing that he's better than Peterman and McCarron "shouldn't be too difficult" even at this stage of his development?

 

I'm just curious.

He's very good at avoiding the rush, which is essential to being a Bills QB. Peterman is lousy at it. AJ is known to be okay.

3 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Do you realize that Peterman as a rookie in preseason led the Bills on its only TD drive, prior to him being inserted into action with the first team offense against the Ravens? 

 

Tyrod Taylor couldn't generate a TD drive up to that point working with the 1st team and I believe he completed only 49% of his passes.

 

Peterman threw a pretty TD pass in the Vikings game, and set the Bills up for points in both the Eagles and Lions finale. 

 

Your attempt to discredit Peterman is a very empty one, that doesn't tell the whole story.

Taylor threw 29 passes. Nate threw 79. Thanks for playing.

[BurpleBull]

3 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Allen has the talent and the football smarts to win the job right away.

 

TC, OF COURSE, is going to tell the story.

 

Allen is the more talented QB than both Peterman and McCarron. Why is this so hard to figure out?

 

Okay.

 

Ryan Leaf had talent, not saying Josh Allen is Ryan Leaf, but he had talent too.

 

Just pointing out one's upside doesn't give credence to a claim like that.

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Okay.

 

Ryan Leaf had talent, not saying Josh Allen is Ryan Leaf, but he had talent too.

 

Just pointing out one's upside doesn't give credence to a claim like that.

 

We will see what Allen does in camp and if he earns the starting spot, McDermott will put him in there.

[prissythecat]

3 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Okay.

 

Ryan Leaf had talent, not saying Josh Allen is Ryan Leaf, but he had talent too.

 

Just pointing out one's upside doesn't give credence to a claim like that.

 

I find the unwavering support for a 5th round pick who showed almost nothing in regular season bizarre.  EJ at least had a few decent games to start before he received undying love from BF4E.   You aren't related to BF4E  are you?

[Stank_Nasty]

34 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

of course he is.  

 

the WR was doing exactly what he did for Tyrod.   - run route, turn stop, wait 

you WOULD try and passively find a way to bring up and blame the old qb for petermans blunder. 

 

classic.

Edited June 19, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[BurpleBull]

9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He's very good at avoiding the rush, which is essential to being a Bills QB. Peterman is lousy at it. AJ is known to be okay.

Taylor threw 29 passes. Nate threw 79. Thanks for playing.

 

Good that you mention that...

 

Peterman was sacked exactly once in 49 pass attempts during the regular season.

 

Peterman was sacked four times in 79 pass attempts (54% comp.), to Tyrod Taylor's four in 29 pass attempts (48%) during last year's preseason.

 

Taylor was the veteran, Peterman the rookie. Peterman showed he could lead an offense.

 

Thank you for playing.