BringBackOrton Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: So he was capable, just not good enough to elevate the rest of the offense. We saw what a QB who isn't capable of making reads under pressure looks like last year, but it wasn't Tyrod. Well, I'm not sure there's much of a difference between sacks, INT's and incompletions if we're talking about reads under pressure. All three can be a direct result of being unable to make a correct read and throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Well, I'm not sure there's much of a difference between sacks, INT's and incompletions if we're talking about reads under pressure. All three can be a direct result of being unable to make a correct read and throw. You don't think there's much of a difference between a turnover and keeping possession of the football? You don't think there's much of a difference in opponent's field position for a punt and a turnover in your end of the field? You don't think there's much of a difference between keeping the game within 10 points for 3 quarters and handing the opponents a 30 point lead by halftime? Seriously? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Heitz said: Tyrod Taylor: I still feel that I’d done more than enough to stay Buffalo Bills: We don't /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: You don't think there's much of a difference between a turnover and keeping possession of the football? You don't think there's much of a difference in opponent's field position for a punt and a turnover in your end of the field? You don't think there's much of a difference between keeping the game within 10 points for 3 quarters and handing the opponents a 30 point lead by halftime? Seriously? I knew you were gonna say that. There's a clear difference between the result of those plays. But ALL of those plays can result of not being able to make a correct read and throw. Let me give an example. Player A misses the easy read on a flood pattern and throws to the wrong guy. Pick. Player B misses the easy read on a flood pattern and get sacked from behind because he hesitated. Sack. The results of both plays are different, and I agree with you 1000% (because that's obvious), but both plays resulted from not being able to make the correct read. Am I being more clear? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: I knew you were gonna say that. There's a clear difference between the result of those plays. But ALL of those plays can result of not being able to make a correct read and throw. Let me give an example. Player A misses the easy read on a flood pattern and throws to the wrong guy. Pick. Player B misses the easy read on a flood pattern and get sacked from behind because he hesitated. Sack. The results of both plays are different, and I agree with you 1000% (because that's obvious), but both plays resulted from not being able to make the correct read. Am I being more clear? That only works on the whole if you think that every play is going to be a net positive. There are certainly plays, especially when the pocket is collapsing that quickly (NYJ & LAC), where the correct thing to do is ensure ball security and take the sack. Also, several of the sacks were after Tyrod extended the play and the play had broken down, and at least 1 was for no loss. You can go through those clips from the article in the other post if you'd like, but the issue in the Jets game wasn't his reads under pressure. It was a complete and total meltdown of the OL on a short week resulting in a pathetic run game and a higher percentage of busted plays due to a lack of time/adjustment. There is a large gap between good and 'not able to' that several folks here like to pretend doesn't exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: That only works on the whole if you think that every play is going to be a net positive. There are certainly plays, especially when the pocket is collapsing that quickly (NYJ & LAC), where the correct thing to do is ensure ball security and take the sack. Also, several of the sacks were after Tyrod extended the play and the play had broken down, and at least 1 was for no loss. You can go through those clips from the article in the other post if you'd like, but the issue in the Jets game wasn't his reads under pressure. It was a complete and total meltdown of the OL on a short week resulting in a pathetic run game and a higher percentage of busted plays due to a lack of time/adjustment. There is a large gap between good and 'not able to' that several folks here like to pretend doesn't exist. Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery subjective depending on the play. Sometimes there's no play to be made. Sometimes there's a play a really good QB could make. That large gap is consistency, IMO. I think every QB in the NFL CAN make a good read and correct throw. But do they do that 50% of the time or 90% of the time. That's the difference between fringe starters and franchise guys. But sometimes, for the sake of brevity, you say "can't" when you mean "can't with enough consistency." Edited June 7, 2018 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery subjective depending on the play. Sometimes there's no play to be made. Sometimes there's a play a really good QB could make. That large gap is consistency, IMO. I think every QB in the NFL CAN make a good read and correct throw. But do they do that 50% of the time or 90% of the time. That's the difference between fringe starters and franchise guys. Agreed. A different discussion, but agreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: I feel that I have done more than enough to become CEO of my company. The Board of Directors doesn't see it that way. I like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Did any of you actually watch the game? There was no semblance of a run game (because the OL got dominated), but Rico refused to let it go. With 3 minutes left in the first half Tyrod had thrown only 10 passes (7/10 for 69 yards and 1 TD). That's inexcusable when your RBs have combined for 38 yards in that same time span. In the final 3 minutes of the half he was 4/5 for 46, and Matthews fumbled on the Jets 31 yard line with a minute left. So first half he was 11/15 for 115 and 1 TD and the score was 7-10. (7.67 YPA, 117.4 Passer Rating) 2nd half started with 2 runs for 1 net yard and then an incompletion. Next drive starts with a 9 yard completion before McCoy loses 5 yards on a run. After that we're pinned deep and we run for 0, false start to put us inside our own 5, incomplete, and then a scramble just to get us out of our end zone. Next drive (now 7-24) Tyrod starts 3/3 for 39 yards before O'Leary fumbles around the Jets 30 yard line. I'll call it there. That's the drive they needed to keep the game within 10 points with a quarter to go. At that point, he was 12/19 for 151 and a TD. That's good for 7.95 YPA and a 105.4 Passer Rating. If you're surprised that his pass attempts went up when we got further behind in the score then I'm not sure what to say. But with the increased workload in the 4th his YPA dropped some as expected with increased attempts and his passer rating went up slightly. He also finished as the teams leading rusher on just 6 carries. Also, since none of you seemed to pick up on it, the whole point of my post was directed at the false notion that "Tyrod is not able to make a quick read under pressure". If he was truly not capable of such things, he wouldn't have been 12/19 for 151 and a TD. If he wasn't capable of making a read under pressure he may have been 6/14 for 66 yards, 0 TDs and 5 INTs. Come on Hokie, stop trying to confuse us with facts 4 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: its obvious theres a lot you don't get.... or watch the first portion of that game for that matter. I have determined that there are a lot of TBDers that judge all things on stats and sty!e points as opposed to wins and playoff appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 18 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said: 18 Pages? you people realize TT is no longer a Bill right? was not even that good during his time here for 18 pages. along with 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 18 hours ago, grb said: This argument : BringBackOrton : "Taylor did nothing in the Jets game until garbage time" BuffaloHokie13 : "Taylor played well the entire Jets game, including before garbage time" BringBackOrton : "So part of the time he played well was in garbage time like I said" Really? That's your point? Smoked by Josh Mccown, no longer employed with the Buffalo Bills. Whats your point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Smoked by Josh Mccown, no longer employed with the Buffalo Bills. Whats your point ? Don't really have one. I'm just collecting quotes to bump after the season begins......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 1:39 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: Actually, not he can't. and that is why I see this You've chosen to ignore content by transplantbillsfan. Options You've chosen to ignore content by transplantbillsfan. Options You've chosen to ignore content by transplantbillsfan. Options Yet here we are arguing then the still faithful why he's gone. They had a full season to get used to the idea yet they clung onto the idea he'd remain. The Bills would have cut TT by June 1 regardless imo. The day TT got benched for an all important game against the Chargers was the day he was destined to be gone in 2018. Oh holy hell... did you legitimately just brag about ignoring me and then directly quote me in the same post?! Shady, you're too funny. I'm so glad your rep is so high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: along with ...LMAO!!....nice job "Mr. Cut 'N Paste".........incomprehensible that people won't admit that (unfortunately) the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield....our WR's grew moss from inactivity and had a better shot at seeing an apple from the stands BEFORE the pigskin......hope Hugh helps the lad turn it around and he move closer to the next level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 In all honesty, these are some of my frequently used saved attachments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: In all honesty, these are some of my frequently used saved attachments. ....just giving you the business bud......all is good....couldn't resist......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...LMAO!!....nice job "Mr. Cut 'N Paste".........incomprehensible that people won't admit that (unfortunately) the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield....our WR's grew moss from inactivity and had a better shot at seeing an apple from the stands BEFORE the pigskin......hope Hugh helps the lad turn it around and he move closer to the next level... Quote : "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield" This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017? He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers. So, two questions : Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid? Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy. The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) Edited June 8, 2018 by grb 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, grb said: Quote : "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield" This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017? He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers. So, two questions : Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid? Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy. The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) Thank you for posting this. Seems folks just plain forgot that when Bills had Watkins Robert and even that little really fast guy who would catch some deep passes on the field good things did happen and was fun to watch. But then All of them were injured at one time or another. Multiple injuries for Robert. That groin thing he played through ! and then they let all Tyrods receivers go. he never bitched btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Cant believe this thread, like other tyrod threads keep going. What more can be said about the guy who isnt even on the team anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, grb said: Quote : "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield" This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017? He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers. So, two questions : Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid? Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy. The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) ...CANNOT be stated any more eloquently....despite his supreme efforts it did not work....hope Hugh can hone his skills and get him moving towards the next level...no harm no foul here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Your last paragraph on Allen is why I hope he sits out the entire year. The offensive personnel is atrocious at the moment. Let him sit and let Peterman or AJM take the beating. Stock up on offensive talent in FA with all the cap room in 2019 and the draft as well. I hope that is exactly what the process is ! I have mentioned that Fan swill likely be screaming for Allen no matter how mediocre AJ is. ( i think he will be a bit better than that ) and if they lose early from QB play !! Yikes . Here is hoping McBeaneses are strong enough to avoid the temptation and the peer pressure. Would be dee -lighted Bills play well enough Allen can sit a season. Not gonna bet on it though 8 minutes ago, Pbomb said: Cant believe this thread, like other tyrod threads keep going. What more can be said about the guy who isnt even on the team anymore. and you posted of course. ha ha ! great avatar Bud!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....just giving you the business bud......all is good....couldn't resist......... I figured. Using attachments is easier than copy paste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/7/2018 at 3:30 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: You don't think there's much of a difference between a turnover and keeping possession of the football? You don't think there's much of a difference in opponent's field position for a punt and a turnover in your end of the field? You don't think there's much of a difference between keeping the game within 10 points for 3 quarters and handing the opponents a 30 point lead by halftime? Seriously? With Tyrod Taylor as the QB, there really isn't much of a difference. You're most likely going to lose either way. He was like 3-20 when down by even a single point in the 4th Quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Pbomb said: Cant believe this thread, like other tyrod threads keep going. What more can be said about the guy who isnt even on the team anymore. Wait until he leads the Browns to the AFC championship game & than Superbowl........some people's heads are going to spontaniously combust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 hours ago, grb said: Quote : "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield" This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017? He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers. So, two questions : Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid? Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy. The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) Tell me who Jimmy Garappolo, Brian Hoyer, and CJ Beathard were throwing to out in SF. Because those three seemed to find ways to "push the ball downfield". Hell, JG didn't even start the season on that team. No OTAs, no training camp, nothing other than a month of practices and he was already putting up numbers that TT couldn't at his absolute best. http://pfref.com/pi/share/blOtJ JG put up a stat line of 20-33 for 334yds 1TD/1INT throwing to: Marquise Goodwin Kyle Juszczyk Garrett Celek Trent Taylor George Kittle Aldrick Robinson and the game-breaker himself... Louis Murphy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Tell me who Jimmy Garappolo, Brian Hoyer, and CJ Beathard were throwing to out in SF. Because those three seemed to find ways to "push the ball downfield". Hell, JG didn't even start the season on that team. No OTAs, no training camp, nothing other than a month of practices and he was already putting up numbers that TT couldn't at his absolute best. http://pfref.com/pi/share/blOtJ JG put up a stat line of 20-33 for 334yds 1TD/1INT throwing to: Marquise Goodwin Kyle Juszczyk Garrett Celek Trent Taylor George Kittle Aldrick Robinson and the game-breaker himself... Louis Murphy. Nobody was pushing anything down the field until jimmy g stepped in. Go look at the passing numbers before he was inserted. You say really silly things sometimes. ...... and is anyone even arguing that Taylor looks like the sort of qb that JG looks like right now? Edited June 9, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, JPP said: Wait until he leads the Browns to the AFC championship game & than Superbowl........some people's heads are going to spontaniously combust! Dude will be benched by third preseaon game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Nobody was pushing anything down the field until jimmy g stepped in. Go look at the passing numbers before he was inserted. You say really silly things sometimes. ...... and is anyone even arguing that Taylor looks like the sort of qb that JG looks like right now? Tell you what.... I won't even respond to this and will give you a chance to go look up Brian Hoyer's game log from 2017 and edit your post. As for the second point, it apparently went over your head. To answer your question, no -- no one else is making that connection except me. The reason for that is because there is such a dedicated effort around here to emphasize the mountain of "obstacles" poor ol' Tyrod had to overcome on his way to 180 yards passing every game. Miraculous! So, I give you JG as an example of a guy who also had obstacles -- a similar set of no-name weapons, no offseason preparation, moving to the other side of the country, and playing for a bad football team overall. The offense wasn't "designed for him", he wasn't even on the team until November. Yet, he managed to actually run a respectable passing offense. See what I'm getting at here? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Tell you what.... I won't even respond to this and will give you a chance to go look up Brian Hoyer's game log from 2017 and edit your post. As for the second point, it apparently went over your head. To answer your question, no -- no one else is making that connection except me. The reason for that is because there is such a dedicated effort around here to emphasize the mountain of "obstacles" poor ol' Tyrod had to overcome on his way to 180 yards passing every game. Miraculous! So, I give you JG as an example of a guy who also had obstacles -- a similar set of no-name weapons, no offseason preparation, moving to the other side of the country, and playing for a bad football team overall. The offense wasn't "designed for him", he wasn't even on the team until November. Yet, he managed to actually run a respectable passing offense. See what I'm getting at here? I already looked up his numbers. Which led to me saying you say silly things. He wasn’t pushing anything down the field. Stop it. And PUH-lease. Get over yourself. Didn’t go over my head at all. Everyone knows Taylor isn’t the talent or qb that jimmy g is. JG will most likely end up being a top 5-10 qb in the nfl within the next couple of years. Nobody is claiming the same for Taylor so it’s dumb comparison. The kicker here is that I truly don’t believe I’ll miss Taylor that much. I’ve been 100% on board with what’s going on..... it’s just that you say really ridiculous stuff to try and prove lame points. Edited June 9, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 18 hours ago, grb said: Don't really have one. I'm just collecting quotes to bump after the season begins......... 14 hours ago, grb said: Quote : "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield" This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017? He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers. So, two questions : Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid? Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy. The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) Take all this to the Browns board. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) Jarvis Landry with some praise for TT (while throwing Cutler/Tannehill under a bus...) - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000936293/article/jarvis-landry-browns-qbs-a-lot-better-than-miamis Edited June 9, 2018 by BillsFan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 20 hours ago, grb said: Quote : "......the passing game was never going to become a viable offensive THREAT, especially downfield" This is where the anti-Taylor shtick gets bizarre. The only time the man had a downfield threat he was fifth in the NFL in yards per attempt. Hell, whenever Taylor had Woods and Watkins on the same field, he averaged 8.25 yards per pass, which is exceptional for any quarterback, any year. But in 2016 his number-one receiver / downfield threat sat half the season and ran on a broken left foot when he did play. All of latter '16 his number-two receiver was severely hobbled as well. And in 2017? He had Deonte Thompson, which is all you need to say about that The anti-Taylor position seems to be this : It's a gosh-darn coincidence Taylor's ability to push the ball downfield reduced exactly as the quality of his offensive weapons dropped lower and lower. The two phenomena have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Instead Taylor "regressed" and he now can't do something he did better than most qbs just a short time ago. The ability vanished from his body the exact same time (coincidence) he was saddled with one of the league-worst sets of receivers. So, two questions : Do even the anti-Taylor people believe something so stupid? Is it finally time for team and fans to grow up? Because the Bills now have a quarterback that looks like they think a quarterback should : first-rounder, tall, strong-armed, etc, etc, etc. But so far they've made no greater effort to set him up to succeed than with Taylor. It's not all bad news - the O coordinator has to be better, and running back depth isn't the perverse joke of last year - but line and receivers will probably prove mediocre to abysmal. Yet maybe this is the point team and fans face the responsibility of building for success in the real world, as opposed to playing BS games, indulging in stupid&petty recriminations and wallowing in empty fantasy. The Bills have their "real" quarterback - but with real quarterbacks comes great responsibility (to paraphrase Voltaire or Peter Parker) Jesus Christ man, let it go. Tyrod is Cleveland's problem now. Let's move forward! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/9/2018 at 8:14 AM, Teddy KGB said: Take all this to the Browns board. This thread should be locked or put in around the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 21 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Jesus Christ man, let it go. Tyrod is Cleveland's problem now. Let's move forward! ....well, we could swap Allen/McCarron for him and let threads like this replicate.......SMH....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I was a Tyrod supporter. Its threads like this that make me happy hes not here anymore. All people do is argue past each other for 20 pages. The guy was an afterthought when he came to the Bills. He worked his butt off, we won some games, we broke the playoff drought/curse, hes no longer here. Yes, hes not an elite or upper echelon QB. But also YES, hes a viable starter in this league. Im excited we have Allen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/9/2018 at 8:14 AM, Teddy KGB said: Take all this to the Browns board. ...this is like watching "I Love Lucy" re-runs............... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...this is like watching "I Love Lucy" re-runs............... OK, you win my "non sequitor of the week" prize. "I Love Lucy" reruns vs This Thread - what's the connection? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, you win my "non sequitor of the week" prize. "I Love Lucy" reruns vs This Thread - what's the connection? Both cancelled? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 all you have to do is to trust what you see. Taylor was an athlete who moved the chains because of his supreme athletic ability. As a quarterback in the traditional sense of the position he was horrible. This coach staff decided that they wanted something more predictable and stable at the position. I believe they were correct. Some may still pine for Taylor. TIme will tell. I will end with this. I don't think you can win in the league when the opposition says all we wanted him to do was to play quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, you win my "non sequitor of the week" prize. "I Love Lucy" reruns vs This Thread - what's the connection? ...BOTH are re-runs......OVERPLAYED.......as in re-running re-runs (a/k/a repetitious TT threads, our FORMER QB).....we also have "Bonanza", "Sky King" or "Hollywood Squares" available if you prefer... Edited June 10, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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