RPbillsfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I thought it would be fun to put together a 53 man roster based on the Bills history from 1960 to 2017 Here is my All Bills team QB - Jim Kelly, Joe Ferguson, Jack Kemp RB - OJ Simpson, Thurman Thomas, Joe Cribbs, Leshon McCoy FB - Cookie Gilcrist OT - Harold Ballard, Wil Wolford, Stew Barber, Dave Foley OG - Joe Delamilure, Reggie McKenzie, Jim Ritcher, Billy Shaw C - Kent Hull, Al Bemiller WR - Andre Reed, Eric Moulds, Jerry Butler, Elbert Dubenion, Bob Chandler TE - Pete Metzellars, Charles Clay KR/PR - Terrance McGee, Wallace Francis P - Paul McGuire K - Pete Gogolak DE - Bruce Smith, Ron McDole, Jerry Hughes, Earl Edwards DT - Fred Smerlas, Ted Washington, Tom Sestak, Jim Dunaway LB - Cornelius Bennett, Mike Stratton, Jim Haslett, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Darryl Talley, Shane Conlan CB - Nate Odems, Antoine Winfield, Robert James, Butch Byrd S - Mark Kelso, Jeff Nixon, George Saimes, Tony Greene, Steve Freeman Please review and let me know your thoughts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Here's what I'd change: K: I'd have Christie LB: Paul instead of Spikes CB: Edgerson instead of Odoms. Edgerson was actually as good if not better than Byrd TE: Ernie Warlick over Clay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Here's what I'd change: K: I'd have Christie LB: Paul instead of Spikes CB: Edgerson instead of Odoms. Edgerson was actually as good if not better than Byrd TE: Ernie Warlick over Clay Great feedback, I was thinking of Christie but Gogolak was so clutch in 64 and 65 and historical as the first soccer style kicker Edgerson in 1964-1966 was quite good, but got torched later in his career, Odoms was a more solid player in my opinion I was considering Shane Nelson instead of Spikes, Bryce Paup wasn't here long enough, or he would have made my list For TE I was think Paul Costa from the 60's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 P: Brian Mooreman. Was the best player on our team for a few years there. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, BuckeyeBill said: P: Brian Mooreman. Was the best player on our team for a few years there. Great input, thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Great feedback, I was thinking of Christie but Gogolak was so clutch in 64 and 65 and historical as the first soccer style kicker Edgerson in 1964-1966 was quite good, but got torched later in his career, Odoms was a more solid player in my opinion I was considering Shane Nelson instead of Spikes, Bryce Paup wasn't here long enough, or he would have made my list For TE I was think Paul Costa from the 60's I see where you're coming from. And I would have had Moorman, forgot that one. Oh, and Schoebel instead of Edwards. maybe Tppier Day as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I see where you're coming from. And I would have had Moorman, forgot that one. Oh, and Schoebel instead of Edwards. maybe Tppier Day as well. Schoenberg or Tom Day would have been better choices, I had McDole from the 60's Bills as Day left the Bills, spent time with the Chargers and then came back later, Schoebel was steady and excellent for years. Moore man I think was our best punter. loving the great feedback on this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Schoenberg or Tom Day would have been better choices, I had McDole from the 60's Bills as Day left the Bills, spent time with the Chargers and then came back later, Schoebel was steady and excellent for years. Moore man I think was our best punter. loving the great feedback on this topic Brings back great memories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 OT Howard Ballard, not Harold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, Fadingpain said: OT Howard Ballard, not Harold. Oops, thanks for the catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Punter is Moornan you got to have Stevie Johnson on there somewhere. That’s just a testament to how bad our Recievers have been all time. Reed Moulds Lofton Johnson Tasker(STs) no to Cribbs IMO no Kyle Williams? CB should have Clements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 There is no way Stevie Johnson replaces Reed, Moulds, Duby, Butler, or Chandler. Plus you'd have guys like Lofton and Frank Lewis not on there than would go before Johnson if it were my call 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Punter is Moornan you got to have Stevie Johnson on there somewhere. That’s just a testament to how bad our Recievers have been all time. Reed Moulds Lofton Johnson Tasker(STs) no to Cribbs IMO no Kyle Williams? CB should have Clements I honestly was comparing Fred Jackson to Cribbs, leaned to Cribbs due to his contribution to playoff teams against Fred's longevity It came down to Clements vs Winfield, tough choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Some other suggestions... OL Rueben Brown DT Kyle Williams A WR spot has to be used for Steve Tasker LB Bryce Paup S Henry Jones 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: There is no way Stevie Johnson replaces Reed, Moulds, Duby, Butler, or Chandler. Plus you'd have guys like Lofton and Frank Lewis not on there than would go before Johnson if it were my call Look at the QBs Stevie Johnson played with and how bad the coaching and team was. He still has 3 years that we’re as good or better then any other Bills WR ever. He needs to be on the team IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bill Murray said: Some other suggestions... OL Rueben Brown DT Kyle Williams A WR spot has to be used for Steve Tasker LB Bryce Paup S Henry Jones Yeah, I'd sub Brown for Richter. And just use MgGee as KR to make room for Taskerp 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Look at the QBs Stevie Johnson played with and how bad the coaching and team was. He still has 3 years that we’re as good or better then any other Bills WR ever. He needs to be on the team IMO Well that's the fun of this kind of thing is the debate. some make an argument for Kyle. But I saw Dunaway play and he and Sestak together were phenomenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 It’s hard to compare the pre 80s guys to the post 80ish guys. Offenses are real different. The way teams throw after a certain point in time, probably makes the comparisons impossible. There should almost be like an 84 and earlier team and 85 to present team. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 In my opinion the best bill fullback ever was Sam Gash Just an absolute animal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I would add Bryce Paup and Chris Spielman to the linebackers, Spielman only played here his final two years but he was that good IMO. Aron Schoebel instead of Jerry Hughes. Kyle and Pat Williams with the DTS also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Jim Braxton needs to there, So does Tasker Ernie Warlick over Clay Kyle over Earl Edwards Ted Washington over Dunaway Edgerson has to play. Joe Develin over Barber and Foley Wallace Francis was good but not all time Bills good. Moorman over Macguire Christie over Gogolak. Reuben Brown for sure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Lofton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Look at the QBs Stevie Johnson played with and how bad the coaching and team was. He still has 3 years that we’re as good or better then any other Bills WR ever. He needs to be on the team IMO Reed, Moulds , Lofton, Dubenion , than Stevie Yea he had the 3 1000 yards seasons barley , but he was force fed by Fitz who isn’t a horrible QB. He’s a 10 year vet Fitz made Stevie’s career and he never did anything after him Edited May 27, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 OT-Jason Peters G-Ruben Brown K-Scott Norwood TE-Jay Remirsma DE-Marcelus Wylie LB-Bryce Paup P-Brian Moorman DT-Kyle Williams DT-Pat Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I love these threads! Here's mine: QB : Jim Kelly, Frank Reich RB: OJ Simpson, Thurman Thomas, Shady McCoy FB: Cookie Gilcrest, Sam Gash WR: Andre Reed, Eric Moulds, James Lofton, Frank Lewis, Jerry Butler, Elbert Dubenion TE: Pete Metzelaars, Keith McKellar OT: Jason Peters, Will Wolford, Joe Devlin OG: Billy Shaw, Reggie McKenzie, Joe DeLamielleure C : Kent Hull, Mike Montler DE: Bruce Smith, Mario Williams, Tom Day, Phil Hansen DT: Tom Sestak, Ted Washington, Pat Williams, Fred Smerlas OLB: Cornelius Bennett, Darryl Talley, Mike Stratton, Bryce Paup, Takeo Spikes MLB: Sam Cowart, London Fletcher, Jim Haslett, Shane Nelson CB: Robert James, Butch Byrd, Nate Clements, Nate Odomes, Booker Edgerson, Terrence McGee S: Tony Greene, Henry Jones, George Saimes, Steve Freeman K: Steve Christie P. Brian Moorman ST: Steve Tasker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) Waiting to see how long before Josh Allen is added to the QB position. Also waiting to see the thread 'All Time Greatest Bills' Draft Busts', and how long before someone places him there...before, of course, the start of 2018 training camp. Edited May 27, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Waiting to see how long before Josh Allen is added to the QB position. Also waiting to see the thread 'All Time Greatest Bills' Draft Busts'. It woouldn't take much, sad to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Ernie Warlick instead of Clay Archie Matsos instead of Spikes Booker Edgerson instead of Edwards Christie over Gogolak Moorman over McGuire Wallace Francis? Where's Steve Tasker? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) James Lofton? Also, Mario Williams. Edited May 27, 2018 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I'd have Phil Hansen ahead of Jerry Hughes, at least at this point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedawg3535 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 good list but deffinatly different then mine , but i have to be honest.......i dont know some of the older players you have listed but heres some names i thought shoulda been on 1. Fred Jackson 2. Ruben Brown 3. John Fina 4. Aaron Schobel 5. Nate Clements ( i feel like he is always underated ) 6. Henry Jones 7. Kyle Wiliiams 8. Bryce Paup 9. Brian Moorman 10. Steve Tasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 8 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Here's what I'd change: K: I'd have Christie LB: Paul instead of Spikes CB: Edgerson instead of Odoms. Edgerson was actually as good if not better than Byrd TE: Ernie Warlick over Clay By Paul, do you mean Paup... Bryce Paup?? 6 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Ernie Warlick instead of Clay Archie Matsos instead of Spikes Booker Edgerson instead of Edwards Christie over Gogolak Moorman over McGuire Wallace Francis? Where's Steve Tasker? Yeah,... Steve Tasker has to be on this team Also, not to nit pick, but the team has to have a long snapper, that unfortunately takes a spot from somewhere else... Adam Lingner?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, cage said: By Paul, do you mean Paup... Bryce Paup?? Yeah,... Steve Tasker has to be on this team Also, not to nit pick, but the team has to have a long snapper, that unfortunately takes a spot from somewhere else... Adam Lingner?? Yeah Paup. And Bemiller could snap if I recall correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 You picked a player like Mark Kelso and not Kyle Williams? Kyle Williams is one of the most steadfast players this organization has ever had, maybe one of the best team leaders ever as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, 1ZAYDAY1 said: You picked a player like Mark Kelso and not Kyle Williams? Kyle Williams is one of the most steadfast players this organization has ever had, maybe one of the best team leaders ever as well! They play different positions. He tried to put a normal roster together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They play different positions. He tried to put a normal roster together. I get they are different positions but talking caliber, level of performance, captain qualities etc. A pro bowl caliber player with potential all pro ability vs a guy who never made the pro bowl. I get he’s putting together a team, but you gotta cut weight somewhere else and include Kyle lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Im a bit surprised that no one listed either Dareus, or Ryan Lindell. Both of those guys had long, productive careers with the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 A will get a lot of flack for this one, but I would take Flutie over Ferguson, hands down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coach55 said: A will get a lot of flack for this one, but I would take Flutie over Ferguson, hands down. Coach, here’s some of that flack. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Outstanding effort! Nothing but tweaks to original list. My tweak would be Mike Montler over Bemiller. The more Electric Company, the better! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted May 27, 2018 Author Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Outstanding effort! Nothing but tweaks to original list. My tweak would be Mike Montler over Bemiller. The more Electric Company, the better! Love the feedback I'm getting from this post. So many quality players can't fit onto the list. Its not the best 53, its position dependent causing a lot of possible different players from different eras. Thank you for your feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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