Commsvet11 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, john wawrow said: It was on Whaley for failing to represent the franchise, and being poorly prepped, knowing what he was in store for. It didn’t help that he was leaking stuff to his friends while at the same time thoroughly avoiding the local media. His tight-lipped responses were an embarrassment all around. His desire to say as little as possible failed him and eventually shed full light on his many deficiencies. He had a future in Buffalo before that press conference. And his fate was sealed the moment he stepped off the podium. It was, as we put it in the business, a total sh&t show. jw If not for that press conference, are you saying Whaley would still been employed as the GM? Scary thought if true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Some owners are good at that and some are not. Lurie is pretty good at it and Terry is rather bad. That has nothing to do with the quality of ownership, or the right or wrong way to do that kind of thing. I'm thrilled with the Pegulas being the owners of the Sabres and Bills. I cringe when I see Terry speak in public about his teams or decisions. I don't like speaking in public either and suck at it. I imagine he hates it too. If he hated public speaking that much, he could probably have accomplished 75-80% of what he needed to do with a well-crafted statement. But if he wants to make decisions that will rouse intense media attention, he really needs to "cowboy up" and own them beforehand. He could have made a statement and done the Wawrow interview beforehand if that was his preferred communication method. It would not have been optimal, but it would have avoided hanging poor ALynn out to dry. And you know, when you're in a position where you have to communicate - with his money he could hire a public speaking coach and practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 26 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said: If not for that press conference, are you saying Whaley would still been employed as the GM? Scary thought if true. That's REALLY scary. 2 hours ago, JohnC said: What's the Atlantic? Is a magazine or weekly sports publication? You live under a rock? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, john wawrow said: It was on Whaley for failing to represent the franchise, and being poorly prepped, knowing what he was in store for. It didn’t help that he was leaking stuff to his friends while at the same time thoroughly avoiding the local media. His tight-lipped responses were an embarrassment all around. His desire to say as little as possible failed him and eventually shed full light on his many deficiencies. It's been the strongly held hypothesis of some here, but I found it difficult to fathom since some of the leaks were so very damaging to Whaley himself. What's up with that? Were there several sources of "leaked" information? 4 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic Wrong publication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 SIAP - another one out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: SIAP - another one out Always liked Bob's columns and articles. Kuddos and best wishes for the future,,, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, Lurker said: Always liked Bob's columns and articles. Kuddos and best wishes for the future,,, Same. Also a classy exit on his part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Always liked Bob's columns and articles. Kuddos and best wishes for the future,,, Except when he savaged UB for trying to rebrand athletically as New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Except when he savaged UB for trying to rebrand athletically as New York. They were deservedly savaged for that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, john wawrow said: Nope. It was a TBN decision. jw So, in theory, he can go back to that type of thing. Although his better options, assuming he is not retiring, might not be local. 3 hours ago, john wawrow said: He had a future in Buffalo before that press conference. And his fate was sealed the moment he stepped off the podium. It was, as we put it in the business, a total sh&t show. jw I believe this, but it is also amazing to think about. Despite his many other failings and the fact the team was changing coaches (again), he could have remained if he just avoided falling on his face and looking like a total idiot. That does not really say good things about ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, john wawrow said: It was on Whaley for failing to represent the franchise, and being poorly prepped, knowing what he was in store for. It didn’t help that he was leaking stuff to his friends while at the same time thoroughly avoiding the local media. His tight-lipped responses were an embarrassment all around. His desire to say as little as possible failed him and eventually shed full light on his many deficiencies. He had a future in Buffalo before that press conference. And his fate was sealed the moment he stepped off the podium. It was, as we put it in the business, a total sh&t show. jw On this, you and I agree 100%. In my view, the guy leaked to undermine the head coach and save his job. He succeeded in deflecting blame to the then head coach but his master plan blew up in his face. The guy was a weasel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 6 hours ago, john wawrow said: It was on Whaley for failing to represent the franchise, and being poorly prepped, knowing what he was in store for. It didn’t help that he was leaking stuff to his friends while at the same time thoroughly avoiding the local media. His tight-lipped responses were an embarrassment all around. His desire to say as little as possible failed him and eventually shed full light on his many deficiencies. He had a future in Buffalo before that press conference. And his fate was sealed the moment he stepped off the podium. It was, as we put it in the business, a total sh&t show. jw Oh Doug made a mess of it. No doubt. But it was ownership's responsibility to front up. They didn't. It was weak and vacuous leadership and frankly there is simply no getting away from that. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate the Pegulas but they totally and utterly screwed the pooch on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Except when he savaged UB for trying to rebrand athletically as New York. Sure, I mean really!!! How dare he have an opinion that differs from yours! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Peter said: On this, you and I agree 100%. In my view, the guy leaked to undermine the head coach and save his job. He succeeded in deflecting blame to the then head coach but his master plan blew up in his face. The guy was a weasel. How is your buddy Rex doing these days Peter? ? I see the other brother on Fox occasionally and he is still blaming everyone but himself for what happened in Buffalo. On a more positive note..... I think Unai was a decent choice. Onwards and upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Sure, I mean really!!! How dare he have an opinion that differs from yours! There's having a different opinion, then there is using your position to savage an institution for trying to become something bigger and better. I thought the #NYBI rebranding was a smart move by Danny White. Why shouldn't UB step up and brand itself as the state's flagship university? Afterall, it's the largest public institution and the only one with Division I sports at all levels. But nope. It's was too insulting to Buffalo. That was the BN take. Can't have a Buffalo institution represent all of New York State. Keep looking inward. To me it was such small minded thinking, and the level of nastiness from DeCesare was uncalled for. (But utterly consistent with most of the BN sports department.) That's my opinion. I'm noticing a pattern from you, Bill. You know how you're always accusing me of defending the Bills? Pot meet kettle. 8 hours ago, beerme1 said: They were deservedly savaged for that. Edited June 1, 2018 by PromoTheRobot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: How is your buddy Rex doing these days Peter? ? I see the other brother on Fox occasionally and he is still blaming everyone but himself for what happened in Buffalo. On a more positive note..... I think Unai was a decent choice. Onwards and upwards. Colin lost Leahy and now has guys like Rob Ryan rolling through. Yuck. Come on Colin, find some LA Instagram model and put her on instead. Rob knows nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Fadingpain said: That's REALLY scary. You live under a rock? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic I was aware of the publication but I didn't associate it with any of the local writers. I thought there was a new start-up venture that some of the local writers were gravitating to. My philosophy is to go big. When you are wrong take it to the max. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 12 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Actually it's the Athletic. Online sports site. Lots of name writers went there, especially for hockey. Subscription only. https://theathletic.com/ I was confused about where the writer was going to because I didn't associate the Atlantic with sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Fadingpain said: That's REALLY scary. You live under a rock? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic https://theathletic.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, nucci said: https://theathletic.com/ Is there a deliberate campaign to confuse me? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, JohnC said: Is there a deliberate campaign to confuse me? ? Nope, you're doing just fine all by yourself.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, Cripple Creek said: Nope, you're doing just fine all by yourself.? My befuddlement is a raw talent that I have honed and refined over time. The raw materials were always there. It just took effort to master it. I don't want to brag but I am a natural talent. Josh Allen may have incomparable arm talent but my level of confusion is well of the charts. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: There's having a different opinion, then there is using your position to savage an institution for trying to become something bigger and better. I thought the #NYBI rebranding was a smart move by Danny White. Why shouldn't UB step up and brand itself as the state's flagship university? Afterall, it's the largest public institution and the only one with Division I sports at all levels. But nope. It's was too insulting to Buffalo. That was the BN take. Can't have a Buffalo institution represent all of New York State. Keep looking inward. To me it was such small minded thinking, and the level of nastiness from DeCesare was uncalled for. (But utterly consistent with most of the BN sports department.) That's my opinion. I'm noticing a pattern from you, Bill. You know how you're always accusing me of defending the Bills? Pot meet kettle. You think after 10+ years, you'd have driven to Home Depot and gotten some putty to fill that chip on your shoulder. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, JohnC said: Is there a deliberate campaign to confuse me? ? Sorry, just trying to help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: You think after 10+ years, you'd have driven to Home Depot and gotten some putty to fill that chip on your shoulder. Yikes. So you don't think I have a valid opinion on this matter? It's just my chip? At least I'm stating reasons. It would be nice if instead of snark you respond with a reasoned dissent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Except when he savaged UB for trying to rebrand athletically as New York. I'm not saying this in a harsh way so I hope you don't take it as so but you have an inability to separate a person's critical opinions from the person. Too often you consider a critical comment, whether merited or not, as a personal assault on your favored object. Your instincts toward criticisms is a reflexive attack on whom it comes from. You are too worried about protecting the tribe rather than listening to what is actually being said. You can do better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, JohnC said: I'm not saying this in a harsh way so I hope you don't take it as so but you have an inability to separate a person's critical opinions from the person. Too often you consider a critical comment, whether merited or not, as a personal assault on your favored object. Your instincts toward criticisms is a reflexive attack on whom it comes from. You are too worried about protecting the tribe rather than listening to what is actually being said. You can do better. You may have a point. I do tend to do that. But that doesn't make my opinions invalid. I thought DiCesare was wrong on #NYBI. I started my reasons why I thought it was a good move. There was a substantial community of UB fans who feel the same way about Gleason and DiCesare. Are they wrong too? I think you might have the same reflexive response to my positions. Edited June 1, 2018 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 13 hours ago, john wawrow said: It was on Whaley for failing to represent the franchise, and being poorly prepped, knowing what he was in store for. It didn’t help that he was leaking stuff to his friends while at the same time thoroughly avoiding the local media. His tight-lipped responses were an embarrassment all around. His desire to say as little as possible failed him and eventually shed full light on his many deficiencies. He had a future in Buffalo before that press conference. And his fate was sealed the moment he stepped off the podium. It was, as we put it in the business, a total sh&t show. jw I had the impression that Whaley thew Terry Pegula under the bus with his "not privy" stuff and acting as if he had no real inkling that Ryan was going to be fired. So then Terry had to come out and clarify stuff with hos own statements. I thought throwing your boss under the bus was not a good ploy. Thanks for the information you included and for your impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: How is your buddy Rex doing these days Peter? ? I see the other brother on Fox occasionally and he is still blaming everyone but himself for what happened in Buffalo. On a more positive note..... I think Unai was a decent choice. Onwards and upwards. Rex is doing just fine. He is making a lot more money talking about football on ESPN than the peanut gallery of critics. He also does not have to deal with weasels who threw him under the bus. He can say that he had the best winning percentage of any Bills coach in the preceding 17 years and that his last team had a better point differential and relative offensive and defensive rankings than the team did the following year. As you may know, I never wanted Arsene Wenger to leave. I definitely was not part of the WOBs who caused tremendous embarrassment to themselves, but more importantly, Arsenal. Having said that, I am excited about Unai. I like what he has said about making sure that each player works hard and building the team around Ramsey and Aubameyang. I like the fact that he left out the resident diva who never seems to put in a shift when Arsenal is not in possession and curiously seems to miss games with mysterious ailments . . . especially around the festive period and against tough northern teams. The diva has a lot of talent that I hope Unai can harness. If he is not willing to work hard, I have no problem with selling O. He has not played like the highest (or second highest depending on the report) paid player in the EPL should play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If he hated public speaking that much, he could probably have accomplished 75-80% of what he needed to do with a well-crafted statement. But if he wants to make decisions that will rouse intense media attention, he really needs to "cowboy up" and own them beforehand. He could have made a statement and done the Wawrow interview beforehand if that was his preferred communication method. It would not have been optimal, but it would have avoided hanging poor ALynn out to dry. And you know, when you're in a position where you have to communicate - with his money he could hire a public speaking coach and practice. There is something to what you say. And Lynn should not have been tossed out there. But you could look at it another way. Say you don't like public speaking in the format of a press conference. At 60 years old like Terry is, with a business empire to run, you might take some extra time to try another round of public speaking lessons. Or you might prefer to let the GM that you are paying 5 million dollars a year to handle that aspect of things, handle them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, Peter said: Rex is doing just fine. He is making a lot more money talking about football on ESPN than the peanut gallery of critics. He also does not have to deal with weasels who threw him under the bus. He can say that he had the best winning percentage of any Bills coach in the preceding 17 years and that his last team had a better point differential and relative offensive and defensive rankings than the team did the following year. As you may know, I never wanted Arsene Wenger to leave. I definitely was not part of the WOBs who caused tremendous embarrassment to themselves, but more importantly, Arsenal. Having said that, I am excited about Unai. I like what he has said about making sure that each player works hard and building the team around Ramsey and Aubameyang. I like the fact that he left out the resident diva who never seems to put in a shift when Arsenal is not in possession and curiously seems to miss games with mysterious ailments . . . especially around the festive period and against tough northern teams. The diva has a lot of talent that I hope Unai can harness. If he is not willing to work hard, I have no problem with selling O. He has not played like the highest (or second highest depending on the report) paid player in the EPL should play. Sadly I doubt it will keep that sort quiet for very long at all. If Unai doesn't hit the ground running then by Christmas the WOBs will be the EOBs. It is just modern football fans sadly. While I never wanted Wenger out part of me wishes he had gone a year before on the back of the Chelsea Final having won the Cup. Would just have been a more fitting end. The key is who Unai and Sven can bring in because the squad needs work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: There is something to what you say. And Lynn should not have been tossed out there. But you could look at it another way. Say you don't like public speaking in the format of a press conference. At 60 years old like Terry is, with a business empire to run, you might take some extra time to try another round of public speaking lessons. Or you might prefer to let the GM that you are paying 5 million dollars a year to handle that aspect of things, handle them. Obviously that's what Pegula preferred, since that's what he did. But the problem is, the press wants to talk to the "fate controller", the person with the hiring and firing authority. So either you have to give your GM the fate control and authority to go with the 5 million dollar salary, OR, you really need to cowboy up and show your face. Otherwise you're hanging your subordinate out to dry. It's not as though the media is expecting daily, weekly, or even yearly Pegula pressers. But with the Rex firing, where he reported to Pegula and was fired by Pegula, Terry needed to be present and own it. In this media age, he need not have even traveled from Florida or wherever, he could have been videocon'd in or as I said, have had someone craft and approve a press release and set up a 1:1 interview with a trusted reporter BEFORE the Whaley presser. Now mind you, Whaley owns a lot of responsibility. He could have prepared better. But GunnerBill still has it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I thought DiCesare was wrong on #NYBI. I started my reasons why I thought it was a good move. There was a substantial community of UB fans who feel the same way about Gleason and DiCesare. Are they wrong too? Name that school. That's what should be on players jerseys and logo's on the courts etc. UB not NY. I think there had to be a better way of recruiting than than that move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Sadly I doubt it will keep that sort quiet for very long at all. If Unai doesn't hit the ground running then by Christmas the WOBs will be the EOBs. It is just modern football fans sadly. While I never wanted Wenger out part of me wishes he had gone a year before on the back of the Chelsea Final having won the Cup. Would just have been a more fitting end. The key is who Unai and Sven can bring in because the squad needs work. Indeed. Especially on the back end. I do think that they have put together a good back room staff. I also am excited to see Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan for a full year. I think Ramsey has an opportunity to really excel based on what Unai has said. I also am excited to see how Mavropanos develops. I think that he could be great. He had a great game against Man U for his first start. I also was impressed that the atmosphere at Old Trafford was not too much for him even though it was his first start and he is so young. I hope that they do not sell Bellerin. There is nor need to create another hole. I also hope that they re-sign Jack. I still think that he has something to offer and he is still young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Now fellas, we be having a nice meltdown between friends in this thread...take that silly soccer drivel to a proper forum!!!!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, beerme1 said: Name that school. That's what should be on players jerseys and logo's on the courts etc. UB not NY. I think there had to be a better way of recruiting than than that move. Except it wasn't done just for recruiting. It was done to give UB the status of being THE state school, like a Penn State or Ohio State. To raise the profile of the school nationally. Edited June 1, 2018 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 14 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Except it wasn't done just for recruiting. It was done to give UB the status of being THE state school, like a Penn State or Ohio State. To raise the profile of the school nationally. It achieved nothing other than making proud locals feel like they were just slapped in the face. Like I said there must be a better way of going about this whether it was for recruiting purposes which I believe, or raising the profile nationally of the school that you believe. Wait a minute wait a minute. We're talking about the same thing aren't we! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, beerme1 said: It achieved nothing other than making proud locals feel like they were just slapped in the face. Like I said there must be a better way of going about this whether it was for recruiting purposes which I believe, or raising the profile nationally of the school that you believe. Wait a minute wait a minute. We're talking about the same thing aren't we! Winning is one way. And they are doing that now, which is awesome. But why is everything a slap in the face? I'm from Buffalo. I went to UB. I took no offense in playing up New York. Seemed like a bold strategy to me. One big reason it didn't work is was never fully implemented. Edited June 1, 2018 by PromoTheRobot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, beerme1 said: It achieved nothing other than making proud locals feel like they were just slapped in the face. Like I said there must be a better way of going about this whether it was for recruiting purposes which I believe, or raising the profile nationally of the school that you believe. Wait a minute wait a minute. We're talking about the same thing aren't we! Bull gugny. Fresno (large V on the back of their helmets) did it when Pat Hill was coach and it continues today. I’m sure there are other examples, including the Bills regionalization efforts. Does it work? Who knows? But for locals to get their panties bunched is extreme. Edited June 1, 2018 by Cripple Creek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: You may have a point. I do tend to do that. But that doesn't make my opinions invalid. I thought DiCesare was wrong on #NYBI. I started my reasons why I thought it was a good move. There was a substantial community of UB fans who feel the same way about Gleason and DiCesare. Are they wrong too? I think you might have the same reflexive response to my positions. You just made my point with your last sentence. Just so you know I have never said that your opinions are invalid. It just seems that you have a tendency to challenge the person for an opposing position. Just an observation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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