Josh Allen already impressing in Buffalo

[aceman_16]

12 minutes ago, Mellow1 said:

 I dont post much cuz just like at the old Bills Forum people with differences of opinion seem to lurk so they can complain about someone elses opinion. I wish him well but not excited about running around in shorts. Nothing impressive about it. 

Yeah.  I can see what you are sayiing.  What you said is your opinion and very well may be true,  HOWEVER,  the patronizing and condescending method of presentation is what will get people defensive.  It was "all right" to say: "I won't be impressed until..." BUT you went with (in essence)  Buffalo sucks and everyone is desperate and will be happy with ANYTHING take.  This method will almost certainly bring out people's negative reactions!

Edited May 28, 2018 by aceman_16
Missed a pronoun

[JaCrispy]

Does anyone remember how EJ looked in OTA’s? Just curious, I don’t remember...and obviously i think Allen is 10 times the prospect EJ was coming out.

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Does anyone remember how EJ looked in OTA’s? Just curious, I don’t remember...and obviously i think Allen is 10 times the prospect EJ was coming out.

 

I just remember he was big and strong, and a “very nice guy”. What a ringing endorsement! I don’t remember much about how he was at playing football. 

[GreggTX]

On ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 5:52 PM, Magox said:

Ripping 20-30 yarders.

 

That's what he's going to do and he will be doing it in the endzone.

 

I can't wait.

That is his strength. He's better at the longer stuff than the dink and dunk throws.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Mellow1 said:

Hey John from Riverside,,Im from Riverside as well but a long time ago. Yeah i dont post much cuz just like at the old Bills Forum people with differences of opinion seem to lurk so they can complain about someone elses opinion. I wish him well but not excited about running around in shorts. Nothing impressive about it. 

Yeah Mello now that I understand the context of your post its a fair take....cant take much from shorts practices except the basic physical talents.

 

I just moved to Riverside but have worked in the area for over 17 years.

[elroy16]

19 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://www.cover1.net/buffalo-bills-ota-josh-allen-tremaine-edmunds/

 

 

High praise for Edmunds from Zo. Zo has been around a long time, so his word holds some weight. Hopefully he's right. 

 

[Mellow1]

9 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

Yeah.  I can see what you are sayiing.  What you said is your opinion and very well may be true,  HOWEVER,  the patronizing and condescending method of presentation is what will get people defensive.  It was "all right" to say: "I won't be impressed until..." BUT you went with (in essence)  Buffalo sucks and everyone is desperate and will be happy with ANYTHING take.  This method will almost certainly bring out people's negative reactions!

Agreed. I never believe they suck and you will never hear that from me. 

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Yeah Mello now that I understand the context of your post its a fair take....cant take much from shorts practices except the basic physical talents.

 

I just moved to Riverside but have worked in the area for over 17 years.

 

All good my friend all good, Hopefully will see you at a game this season!!

[ngbills]

11 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Does anyone remember how EJ looked in OTA’s? Just curious, I don’t remember...and obviously i think Allen is 10 times the prospect EJ was coming out.

Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likes what he's seen from rookie quarterback E.J. Manuel -- in fact, Marrone says the former Florida State signal caller is the best rookie player he's ever coached (Marrone was an assistant with the Jets and the Saints). The Bills selected Manuel with their first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

"Rookie quarterback EJ Manuel passed the eyeball test in his first practice with the Buffalo Bills Friday. The 6-foot-5, 237-pounder from Florida State showed off his big arm and a nearly effortless ability to throw deep down the sideline during the first of three rookie minicamp practices inside the Bills’ fieldhouse."

 

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likes what he's seen from rookie quarterback E.J. Manuel -- in fact, Marrone says the former Florida State signal caller is the best rookie player he's ever coached (Marrone was an assistant with the Jets and the Saints). The Bills selected Manuel with their first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

"Rookie quarterback EJ Manuel passed the eyeball test in his first practice with the Buffalo Bills Friday. The 6-foot-5, 237-pounder from Florida State showed off his big arm and a nearly effortless ability to throw deep down the sideline during the first of three rookie minicamp practices inside the Bills’ fieldhouse."

 

 

Lol my co worker is a huge raiders fan and was talking about all the jamarcus Russell hype from OTAs and how he couldn't wait for him to light up the NFL.

[Thurman#1]

On ‎5‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 7:36 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/erry-2018/05/4c1b98e1889388/buffalo_bills_otas_2018_josh_a.html

"Josh Allen was the most impressive quarterback on the field Thursday. By my count, he attempted to 21 passes and only three hit the ground. Some were of the shorter variety, but Allen was ripping some deeper throws as well. He hit Austin Proehl on an impressive throw to the sideline outside the numbers. His two touchdowns were the highlights, though. Allen ripped an in-breaking route over a defender and into the hands of fellow rookie Ray-Ray McCloud for a touchdown. Later in practice, he hit Travaris Cadet in the end zone for a back-shoulder touchdown. If the idea of putting him with the third team was to build his confidence. it might be working. "

 

 

 

"Sling the duke"?

[JaCrispy]

8 hours ago, ngbills said:

Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likes what he's seen from rookie quarterback E.J. Manuel -- in fact, Marrone says the former Florida State signal caller is the best rookie player he's ever coached (Marrone was an assistant with the Jets and the Saints). The Bills selected Manuel with their first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

"Rookie quarterback EJ Manuel passed the eyeball test in his first practice with the Buffalo Bills Friday. The 6-foot-5, 237-pounder from Florida State showed off his big arm and a nearly effortless ability to throw deep down the sideline during the first of three rookie minicamp practices inside the Bills’ fieldhouse."

 

 

Interesting...seeing this keeps me reserved about Allen then

[FappyTheClown]

I heard he says "excuse me" after burping as well. Impressive, indeed.

[BB@Shooter]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Interesting...seeing this keeps me reserved about Allen then

Different quarterbacks, systems, and coaches. I am pretty sure this staff could care less what EJ Manuel did when he was here. Why do so many of you on here like to look at past failures on here? It is akin to waking up in Seattle everyday and realizing it is raining , again. But that you keep living there and do nothing to change the outcome. I understand it is Buffalo and is expected, the Browns are the same way. But I honestly don't know how you guys live with defeat , and the never ending negative thinking. Not a way to go through life, or even a week at a time.

 

This draft brought you some good picks, be exited about that if nothing else. It looks like the defense will be solid,  that is how championship teams get started. It is not like a college team where it takes a vast amount of time to change a program around. It is the NFL and free agency. A team can build through the draft and trades along with it. Give this GM and coaches a bit of time to turn this around. They have been a part of winning elsewhere, that is big. 

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, ngbills said:

Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likes what he's seen from rookie quarterback E.J. Manuel -- in fact, Marrone says the former Florida State signal caller is the best rookie player he's ever coached (Marrone was an assistant with the Jets and the Saints). The Bills selected Manuel with their first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

"Rookie quarterback EJ Manuel passed the eyeball test in his first practice with the Buffalo Bills Friday. The 6-foot-5, 237-pounder from Florida State showed off his big arm and a nearly effortless ability to throw deep down the sideline during the first of three rookie minicamp practices inside the Bills’ fieldhouse."

 

 

See now this is not how I remember it

Something about hitting tents on the side line instead of players with the ball

[SWATeam]

10 hours ago, ngbills said:

Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likes what he's seen from rookie quarterback E.J. Manuel -- in fact, Marrone says the former Florida State signal caller is the best rookie player he's ever coached (Marrone was an assistant with the Jets and the Saints). The Bills selected Manuel with their first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

"Rookie quarterback EJ Manuel passed the eyeball test in his first practice with the Buffalo Bills Friday. The 6-foot-5, 237-pounder from Florida State showed off his big arm and a nearly effortless ability to throw deep down the sideline during the first of three rookie minicamp practices inside the Bills’ fieldhouse."

 

 

I remember the press conference after EJ threw that game winning pass against the Panthers, I think, at the beginning of his rookie year.  Marrone was asked if EJ had arrived and he basically broke out into laughter.

 

I don't think Marrone ever wanted to play EJ, and he was at odds with Whaley over it.  At this point it is clear who was correct.  

[ngbills]

22 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

Different quarterbacks, systems, and coaches. I am pretty sure this staff could care less what EJ Manuel did when he was here. Why do so many of you on here like to look at past failures on here? It is akin to waking up in Seattle everyday and realizing it is raining , again. But that you keep living there and do nothing to change the outcome. I understand it is Buffalo and is expected, the Browns are the same way. But I honestly don't know how you guys live with defeat , and the never ending negative thinking. Not a way to go through life, or even a week at a time.

 

This draft brought you some good picks, be exited about that if nothing else. It looks like the defense will be solid,  that is how championship teams get started. It is not like a college team where it takes a vast amount of time to change a program around. It is the NFL and free agency. A team can build through the draft and trades along with it. Give this GM and coaches a bit of time to turn this around. They have been a part of winning elsewhere, that is big. 

The point is the spin in rookie camp or OTA's or whatever is generally overly positive. For many reasons - build fan excitement, sell tickets, marketing / advertising, player morale, and on and on.

 

Until they put pads on and start playing other teams we dont know what we really have. 

 

Yet there is a camp that thinks we always have to blindly agree that player xyz is the best ever because our new front office and coaching staff (who are also the best ever) say so. By saying that EJ also got praise does not mean anyone is rooting against Allen or saying he sucks. Its just saying things tend to always looks this way this time of year. So hearing about the pass that was thrown in shorts with no rush to an undrafted WR caught against an undrafted CB, are not the type of things to make you believe he is the best guy ever type of stuff. That see "proof we have our franchise QB" or falsehoods that "Tyrod or Fitz or whoever never would have made that pass", etc. 

[1billsfan]

11 hours ago, ngbills said:

Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likes what he's seen from rookie quarterback E.J. Manuel -- in fact, Marrone says the former Florida State signal caller is the best rookie player he's ever coached (Marrone was an assistant with the Jets and the Saints). The Bills selected Manuel with their first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

"Rookie quarterback EJ Manuel passed the eyeball test in his first practice with the Buffalo Bills Friday. The 6-foot-5, 237-pounder from Florida State showed off his big arm and a nearly effortless ability to throw deep down the sideline during the first of three rookie minicamp practices inside the Bills’ fieldhouse."

 

 

 

Josh Allen has a confidence about him that EJ Manual never had...and I was a fan of EJ's till he lost the starting job to Taylor. Allen's confidence level makes me think the franchise might have finally found their guy.

 

 

[JaCrispy]

31 minutes ago, ngbills said:

The point is the spin in rookie camp or OTA's or whatever is generally overly positive. For many reasons - build fan excitement, sell tickets, marketing / advertising, player morale, and on and on.

 

Until they put pads on and start playing other teams we dont know what we really have. 

 

Yet there is a camp that thinks we always have to blindly agree that player xyz is the best ever because our new front office and coaching staff (who are also the best ever) say so. By saying that EJ also got praise does not mean anyone is rooting against Allen or saying he sucks. Its just saying things tend to always looks this way this time of year. So hearing about the pass that was thrown in shorts with no rush to an undrafted WR caught against an undrafted CB, are not the type of things to make you believe he is the best guy ever type of stuff. That see "proof we have our franchise QB" or falsehoods that "Tyrod or Fitz or whoever never would have made that pass", etc. 

Thank you...this is exactly what I was trying to figure out

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

 

Josh Allen has a confidence about him that EJ Manual never had...and I was a fan of EJ's till he lost the starting job to Taylor. Allen's confidence level makes me think the franchise might have finally found their guy.

 

 

Josh describes me as a gunslinger type....

 

I never really got that impression of EJ Manuel.......he just doesnt pull the trigger

[1billsfan]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Josh describes me as a gunslinger type....

 

I never really got that impression of EJ Manuel.......he just doesnt pull the trigger

 

Manual was a nervous nelly who never got comfortable. With an arm the new kid has, the confidence, and if he does have that gunslinger mentality...whoa, we all might be in for a long fun ride.

 

[BB@Shooter]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

The point is the spin in rookie camp or OTA's or whatever is generally overly positive. For many reasons - build fan excitement, sell tickets, marketing / advertising, player morale, and on and on.

 

Until they put pads on and start playing other teams we dont know what we really have. 

 

Yet there is a camp that thinks we always have to blindly agree that player xyz is the best ever because our new front office and coaching staff (who are also the best ever) say so. By saying that EJ also got praise does not mean anyone is rooting against Allen or saying he sucks. Its just saying things tend to always looks this way this time of year. So hearing about the pass that was thrown in shorts with no rush to an undrafted WR caught against an undrafted CB, are not the type of things to make you believe he is the best guy ever type of stuff. That see "proof we have our franchise QB" or falsehoods that "Tyrod or Fitz or whoever never would have made that pass", etc. 

I get it to a point. Then it gets to be overkill. You guys are the vets. Lol.  

[QuoteTheRaven83]

On 5/24/2018 at 6:29 PM, TheElectricCompany said:

Thank goodness  Josh Allen made a wonderful 20 yard throw

Totally worth the 7th pick in the draft. 

 

Some people can't make a wonderful 20 yd throw so we must be on to something...

[HappyDays]

13 hours ago, ngbills said:

Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likes what he's seen from rookie quarterback E.J. Manuel -- in fact, Marrone says the former Florida State signal caller is the best rookie player he's ever coached (Marrone was an assistant with the Jets and the Saints). The Bills selected Manuel with their first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

"Rookie quarterback EJ Manuel passed the eyeball test in his first practice with the Buffalo Bills Friday. The 6-foot-5, 237-pounder from Florida State showed off his big arm and a nearly effortless ability to throw deep down the sideline during the first of three rookie minicamp practices inside the Bills’ fieldhouse."

 

 

 

This is definitely selective memory. I remember EJ had inconsistent at best OTAs. Everyone remembers the hospitality tent... I don't know if Allen will continue having good OTAs and I'm not gonna say that guarantees he'll be our franchise QB, but if anyone thinks every Bills QB looks good in OTAs I can say that's not true.

[reddogblitz]

On 5/28/2018 at 10:28 AM, Augie said:

 

I just remember he was big and strong, and a “very nice guy”. What a ringing endorsement! I don’t remember much about how he was at playing football. 

 

i remember him being pumped up just as Allen is being now.  It will last until his first I'll advised pick. The best thing Allen has going for him is he's never played.

On 5/28/2018 at 10:45 AM, GreggTX said:

That is his strength. He's better at the longer stuff than the dink and dunk throws.

 

long passes are nice. But a NFL QB makes his living throwing dink 'n dunk passes. JP had a nice long ball but regularly bounced in passes to guys a yard down field on 3rd and 1.

Edited May 29, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

i remember him being pumped up just as Allen is being now.  It will last until his first I'll advised pick. The best thing Allen has going for him is he's never played.

 

long passes are nice. But a NFL QB makes his living throwing dink 'n dunk passes. JP had a nice long ball but regularly bounced in passes to guys a hard down field in 3rd and 1.

 

Yeah, it’s funny how if you don’t have a franchise QB, the backup QB can be so popular. They never miss the wide open WR,  never fumble, never throw a pick, etc. Actually playing often exposes them for what they are, and why they are the backup. 

 

I pray Allen can make those “controlled running game” passes to move the chains. A nice long ball is great, but this isn’t the Raiders of the AFL anymore.  That Brady guy does ok with a lot of short passes...

Edited May 29, 2018 by Augie

[BB@Shooter]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Yeah, it’s funny how if you don’t have a franchise QB, the backup QB can be so popular. They never miss the wide open WR,  never fumble, never throw a pick, etc. Actually playing often exposes them for what they are, and why they are the backup. 

 

I pray Allen can make those “controlled running game” passes to move the chains. A nice long ball is great, but this isn’t the Raiders of the AFL anymore.  That Brady guy does ok with a lot of short passes...

All I can say is Allens old OC never had the "it" factor when it came to calling plays. There was no rythem or fluidity to his offense. It was always herky jerky. He never tried to get Allen into a rythem passing. Never managed to get his offense into a rythem where the other team didn't know what was coming at them. Or made the defense sit back on their heals undecided on how to defend a qb who had all this talent. It was almost like he was standing behind the offense while they were lined up telling the defense what play they were going to run next. Imagine one of the worst OC's the Bills ever had and times it by 2. How that offense won 3 national championships at North Dakota State with him calling the plays amazes me to this day.

 

So when you watch what Allen had to persevere while he was qb at Wyoming, it is astonishing what he and Wentz accomplished despite Vigen and his horrible play calling. I was used to the Paul Roach and Joe Tiller eras at Wyoming. Providing wide open offenses and zero predictability other than high scoring games. Tiller went on and brought the West Coast offense to the Big Ten and Purdue. Giving Brees his shot at the NFL. A predominantly run first  conference. Bohl is building a great base at Wyoming,  but it would go a lot faster there if Vigen was not a part of it. So please understand that if Allen were under an offense like Texas Tech, or Oklahoma, his numbers would be crazy. It takes a lot for me to get up for a football game knowing Vigen will be calling the plays. Bohl is a loyal guy and keeps him. I understand loyalty. But how Vigen got to coach Wentz and Allen is mystifying. Probably the only reason he is still coaching. In our bowl game against Central Michigan, Allen had thrown for three touchdowns in the 1st quarter. So what did Vigen do after that? He went back to his usual and ran on 1st and 2nd down every series. Sometimes 3rd down depending on where the ball was. In Allens last game with Wyoming , Vigen smothered Allen one last time and didn't let him air it out. Made him hand it off even though it was a blowout. And some of you guys wonder why Allens numbers were what they were. You had to live it to believe it. I hate Vigen with a passion. If a good qb wanted to go to Wyoming to play to showcase his talents to the the NFL, I would tell them to take a pass. As much as it hurts me to say that. I love Bohl as the HC at Wyoming. He is a good man and learned under Tom Osborne at Nebraska as a player and coach. His defense is being lauded by some to be a top 10 defense this year. So Wyoming should be in most games this year just because of that. Wyoming defense might have 4 to 5 drafted players next year, they are that good and deep. The only question marks are at defensive backs. You never know about them until they are under fire.

Edited May 29, 2018 by BB@Shooter

[BillsBytheBay]

8 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Interesting...seeing this keeps me reserved about Allen then

I've been in the Allan camp since we've taken him but you're absolutely right.  We'd all love the kid to be the guy but "you lose with potential you win with performance". Mr. Parcells

 

I can't think of any sources off hand but Allan has been described as a guy who can identify his problem and self teach.  

 

It's really any one's guess now.

Edited May 29, 2018 by JaxBills

[Mat68]

The open practices are going to be the most clear.  I would say easily half of the media members that follow the Bills were against his selection.  They want to prove their own intellegence.  So far no peep.  Even some forced praise.  Allens strengths are apparent and easy to see.   His accuracy knock are not as severe as they were protrayed to be.  I think Allen starts week 1.  And preseason game 1 he is announced as the starter.  

[Seanbillsfan2206]

Has Allen signed a contract yet?

[BillsFan17]

On 5/29/2018 at 1:08 AM, ngbills said:

Buffalo Bills head coach Doug Marrone likes what he's seen from rookie quarterback E.J. Manuel -- in fact, Marrone says the former Florida State signal caller is the best rookie player he's ever coached (Marrone was an assistant with the Jets and the Saints). The Bills selected Manuel with their first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

"Rookie quarterback EJ Manuel passed the eyeball test in his first practice with the Buffalo Bills Friday. The 6-foot-5, 237-pounder from Florida State showed off his big arm and a nearly effortless ability to throw deep down the sideline during the first of three rookie minicamp practices inside the Bills’ fieldhouse."

 

 

Doug Marrone, the guy who up and quit on the team... seems like a trust worthy guy if you ask me.

Edited May 30, 2018 by BillsFan17

[TheFunPolice]

camp should be fun this year! Let's keep the positive vibes going!

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

12 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Has Allen signed a contract yet?

 

Not yet.