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So I'm watching week 8 Red Zone replay on NFL Network. It was the Raiders game, at home.  We were definitely the less talented team, but definitely the more prepared and focused as far as the fundamentals of the game.

Hausch Money causing a fumble for example,shows me that coaching smartly instilled and took time on the D and ST forcing fumbles,it's a game changing play after all  , tackling and assignments clearly being better executed better by Buffalo.

The details, intangibles and team work were impeccable by Buffalo against superior talent and they get a comfortable Win.

A limited Tyrod is throwing to Zay, Matthews And Andre Holmes (who got his 3rd TD and made a cpl impressive catches) , who I still have hopes could be effective , did he get injured at some point? He has potential for real.  

 

Besides Shady , who imo is the best player on the field, period, we were outmatched but we're coached right and play as one, it was too easy of a Win.

 

Anyway, to me , coaching clearly won this game comfortably and New Era is officially back as one of the tougher stadiums to win in.

Just like Boston, with perceived limited talent, they are using superior coaching , like they did all year, to win the majority of games, focusing on the basics and intagibles of the game, something McD preaches consistently and I love it.

 

Overall imo we improved from last year , besides OL , we're better or equal at every other group and we still have the X Factor on the sideline, a guy I feel will be around a Long Long time. So don't be surprised if we improve on our record , despite the mainly low expectations from most of the football community. AJ or if Allen beats him out, will be as good or better at QB. 

 

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2 minutes ago, ClemsonBills said:

Holmes has been mediocre to below average everywhere he’s been.

 

Also, the Boston Celtics are very talented. They will be playing in the Eastern Conference Finals. I doubt the Bills make the AFC Championship this year...

Before this year, with no Kyrie, Hayward, if u we're to say Boston would be in Finals, that'd sound crazy. 

Talented,yes but the coaching and discipline instilled is the key to their success.

Before the year nobody even knew of Rozier,Brown and Tatum being studs. Their team first mentality was instilled since off-season and is paying off big right now

 

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9 minutes ago, ClemsonBills said:

Holmes has been mediocre to below average everywhere he’s been.

 

Also, the Boston Celtics are very talented. They will be playing in the Eastern Conference Finals. I doubt the Bills make the AFC Championship this year...

To make the eastern conference finals, I wouldn’t call them very talented.  Not compared to philly.  Tatum is a future superstar imo, but not there yet and Horford is very reliable.  Rozier is one of my favorite players, but he’s not a star, very solid.  Brown is a great athlete that is still just average in skill set.  Smart can’t play a lick of O.  Baynes is an effective bruiser. Morris is a nice 6th man fit for this team as he can score, but he is trash on D.  Larkin is trash 100%.  Ojeleyes best days are ahead of him. 

 

Kyrie and Hayward are the stars and they won’t be playing at all.  Stevens IS the driving force behind this Celtic team.  There is no doubt about that.  He’s a tremendous coach and imo, will win titles in the future if they get rid of Kyrie and get some impact players in return.  Kyrie is a star when he’s on the court won his title the year he was healthy.....but he’s rarely healthy.  Knee injury after knee injury.  It’s taking its toll.  I’d get rid of him while they can get impact players for him.  Players that will play during the playoffs instead of watching while being broken

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3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

To make the eastern conference finals, I wouldn’t call them very talented.  Not compared to philly.  Tatum is a future superstar imo, but not there yet and Horford is very reliable.  Rozier is one of my favorite players, but he’s not a star, very solid.  Brown is a great athlete that is still just average in skill set.  Smart can’t play a lick of O.  Baynes is an effective bruiser. Morris is a nice 6th man fit for this team as he can score, but he is trash on D.  Larkin is trash 100%.  Ojeleyes best days are ahead of him. 

 

Kyrie and Hayward are the stars and they won’t be playing at all.  Stevens IS the driving force behind this Celtic team.  There is no doubt about that.  He’s a tremendous coach and imo, will win titles in the future if they get rid of Kyrie and get some impact players in return.  Kyrie is a star when he’s on the court won his title the year he was healthy.....but he’s rarely healthy.  Knee injury after knee injury.  It’s taking its toll.  I’d get rid of him while they can get impact players for him.  Players that will play during the playoffs instead of watching while being broken

 

Coaching only gets you so far. You still gotta score, like every other sport. Boston’s stars are our sure, but their talent runs deep to be where they are. Stevens is a great coach, but great coaches know they are only as good as their players. **See Bill Belichick 4/5 losing seasons in Cleveland. 

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1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

So I'm watching week 8 Red Zone replay on NFL Network. It was the Raiders game, at home.  We were definitely the less talented team, but definitely the more prepared and focused as far as the fundamentals of the game.

Hausch Money causing a fumble for example,shows me that coaching smartly instilled and took time on the D and ST forcing fumbles,it's a game changing play after all  , tackling and assignments clearly being better executed better by Buffalo.

The details, intangibles and team work were impeccable by Buffalo against superior talent and they get a comfortable Win.

A limited Tyrod is throwing to Zay, Matthews And Andre Holmes (who got his 3rd TD and made a cpl impressive catches) , who I still have hopes could be effective , did he get injured at some point? He has potential for real.  

 

Besides Shady , who imo is the best player on the field, period, we were outmatched but we're coached right and play as one, it was too easy of a Win.

 

Anyway, to me , coaching clearly won this game comfortably and New Era is officially back as one of the tougher stadiums to win in.

Just like Boston, with perceived limited talent, they are using superior coaching , like they did all year, to win the majority of games, focusing on the basics and intagibles of the game, something McD preaches consistently and I love it.

 

Overall imo we improved from last year , besides OL , we're better or equal at every other group and we still have the X Factor on the sideline, a guy I feel will be around a Long Long time. So don't be surprised if we improve on our record , despite the mainly low expectations from most of the football community. AJ or if Allen beats him out, will be as good or better at QB. 

 

 

Our O-line was problematic last year already, we lose 3 starters who all happen to be our best players on the unit, we have an even worse WR corps, we have the least experienced QB group in the league throwing to them, and from this draft only a handful of picks will make the roster. 

The defense improved on paper, but an injury or 2 could easily derail the entire thing. Same goes for most positions on this roster. We have almost no depth whatsoever. And man, heaven help us if Benjamin goes down (like he's known to do)...Our WR's would be (currently on roster)-

- Quan Bray

- Kaelin Clay

- Malachi Dupre

- Andre Holmes

- Zay Jones

- Jermey Kerley

- Ray-Ray McCloud

- Austin Proehl

- Brandon Reilly

- Rod Streater

 

That group is AWFUL. 

Maybe in 2-3 more years with more drafts under our belt we'll be comparable to the Celtics, but this year? This is the true year 1 of McDermott's tenure.

 

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Our O-line was problematic last year already, we lose 3 starters who all happen to be our best players on the unit, we have an even worse WR corps, we have the least experienced QB group in the league throwing to them, and from this draft only a handful of picks will make the roster. 

The defense improved on paper, but an injury or 2 could easily derail the entire thing. Same goes for most positions on this roster. We have almost no depth whatsoever. And man, heaven help us if Benjamin goes down (like he's known to do)...Our WR's would be (currently on roster)-

- Quan Bray

- Kaelin Clay

- Malachi Dupre

- Andre Holmes

- Zay Jones

- Jermey Kerley

- Ray-Ray McCloud

- Austin Proehl

- Brandon Reilly

- Rod Streater

 

That group is AWFUL. 

Maybe in 2-3 more years with more drafts under our belt we'll be comparable to the Celtics, but this year? This is the true year 1 of McDermott's tenure.

 

lots of potential there. Who is the new Receivers Coach btw ?

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If The Bills are the Boston Celtics who are the Brooklyn Nets team that we can rip off for multiple premium 1st round picks for aging players towards the extreme back end of their careers? I think Holmes could have a nice year but I wouldn't count on it. Holmes is a good player to have as a 5th WR on the roster. Lots of potential physically, he is willing to play special teams and is productive on that end. Could step up if there is an injury too. But right now I can't say with any confidence he is going to be a player for the team. 

 

I honestly would love to see the Bills trade a late round pick for Seth Roberts from Oakland if Roberts falls out with the acquisitions they made there. Roberts is a nice player and with Cooper, Jordy, and Bryant there now he could be an odd man out. 

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1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Before this year, with no Kyrie, Hayward, if u we're to say Boston would be in Finals, that'd sound crazy. 

Talented,yes but the coaching and discipline instilled is the key to their success.

Before the year nobody even knew of Rozier,Brown and Tatum being studs. Their team first mentality was instilled since off-season and is paying off big right now

 

Celts have loads of young talent, and quite possibly the best coach in the NBA.  I love the optimism, but the Bills have neither of those.  

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1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

 

Our O-line was problematic last year already, we lose 3 starters who all happen to be our best players on the unit, we have an even worse WR corps, we have the least experienced QB group in the league throwing to them, and from this draft only a handful of picks will make the roster. 

The defense improved on paper, but an injury or 2 could easily derail the entire thing. Same goes for most positions on this roster. We have almost no depth whatsoever. And man, heaven help us if Benjamin goes down (like he's known to do)...Our WR's would be (currently on roster)-

- Quan Bray

- Kaelin Clay

- Malachi Dupre

- Andre Holmes

- Zay Jones

- Jermey Kerley

- Ray-Ray McCloud

- Austin Proehl

- Brandon Reilly

- Rod Streater

 

That group is AWFUL. 

Maybe in 2-3 more years with more drafts under our belt we'll be comparable to the Celtics, but this year? This is the true year 1 of McDermott's tenure.

 

Well I see your point clearly, but based on their performance in year one , I can see 9-10 wins , next year we'll be legit contenders but I think we did good this off-season and have more depth than we get credit for.

 

Defense- DL- loses Zero impact players.  Add 3 potential impact players, imo , in Murphy, the rookie and Star (his stats won't show his impact on this scheme). 

LB - Loses One impact player. Adds 1 impact player. If Available, Edmunds is going to make Preston look like an amateur. Hopefully Milano and Vallejo progress.

DB - Loses One impact player. Adds 2 impact players. Davis is a perfect fit. Heady, aggressive , pro bowl corner in a simple scheme, don't be surprised to see a Pro Bowl Davis. Gaines is just not available enough. And one of Bush (underrated signing) and one of the two rookies can definitely have impacts.

 

We had injuries last year, they said the same negative comments. The team overcame it.

I'll do the offense later but depth is improved over last year on a 9 win team , on Defense at least.

 

As far as WR, we lost zero impact guys imo. Thompson was very unreliable.

If KB is healthy, that instantly bolsters the WR corps big time. RB is improved. OL is worrisome but there's a nice mix of vets and younger guys, hopefully they get as a unit.

 

Things overall look better than last year and we won 9. I don't think we should lower our expectations based on the same arguments we were making last Off Season!!

This staff is the real deal.

 

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14 minutes ago, stony said:

Celts have loads of young talent, and quite possibly the best coach in the NBA.  I love the optimism, but the Bills have neither of those.  

Loads?

Josh Allen

Tre White

Edmunds

Dawkins 

A bunch more that could easily make the leap. 

Celts are winning with zero household names. Play amazing TEAM ball 

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

So Micah Hyde is Terry Rozier ? 

 

We don’t have a Jason Tatum.    

Tre White

If Josh Allen can be Rozier, a largely unknown commodity that got elevated due to injury and exceeds expectations, we have something special brewing here folks.

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7 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Loads?

Josh Allen

Tre White

Edmunds

Dawkins 

A bunch more that could easily make the leap. 

Celts are winning with zero household names. Play amazing TEAM ball 

Two of those guys have never played a snap in league.  

 

The Celts have multiple top 5 picks in their early 20s playing huge minutes.  Tatum, Brown, Smart etc.  

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3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Um. Talking 2018 version. Past is irrelevant to the topic.

As someone who follows the Celtics almost as closely as I follow the Bills... compare 2013 Cs vs 2017 Bills and go from there. It’s not that dissimilar in terms of the rebuilding process. They were supposed to tank. But didn’t. 

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Um. Talking 2018 version. Past is irrelevant to the topic.

 

I like McDermott but Brad Stevens is on s different level as of RN

 

Taking Butler to back TO back National Championship games with ZERO 5* recruits. Then going to the Celtics who were terrible and doing what he’s doing this year is unbelievable 

 

Let’s see what the Bills can do this year and when McDermott can take us to the verge of the conference finals

 

still a good coach though

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Just now, YoloinOhio said:

As someone who follows the Celtics almost as closely as I follow the Bills... compare 2013 Cs vs 2017 Bills and go from there. It’s not that dissimilar in terms of the rebuilding process. They were supposed to tank. But didn’t. 

That's actually a great point.

My argument is if you looked at this roster with no Kyrie or Hayward this off-season, you see a team that has no shot at a title, on paper. That's how Buf is viewed, no shot , on paper, which doesn't account for the coaching and culture of the team.

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I like McDermott but Brad Stevens is on s different level as of RN

 

Taking Butler to back TO back National Championship games with ZERO 5* recruits. Then going to the Celtics who were terrible and doing what he’s doing this year is unbelievable 

 

Let’s see what the Bills can do this year and when McDermott can take us to the verge of the conference finals

 

still a good coach though

Just as impressive as Stevens is Danny Ainge as GM. If he calls you, don’t answer. You won’t win the that trade. 

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3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Just as impressive as Stevens is Danny Ainge as GM. If he calls you, don’t answer. You won’t win the that trade. 

Exactly.

And I'm talking premature about McBeane having that type of impact, but after a year of seeing how they move, I'm really holding them to high standards, I think we struck gold with these two

The stat sheet doesn't show the impact Stevens/Ainge had .

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5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I like McDermott but Brad Stevens is on s different level as of RN

 

Taking Butler to back TO back National Championship games with ZERO 5* recruits. Then going to the Celtics who were terrible and doing what he’s doing this year is unbelievable 

 

Let’s see what the Bills can do this year and when McDermott can take us to the verge of the conference finals

 

still a good coach though

In a league with Pop, Kerr and Lebron as head coaches, I don't think it's a stretch to say he might be the best.  

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And compare him to Brad Stevens when he far overacheives making the AFC championship.

Just now, Foxx said:

man i hate the Celtics.

 

 

Booooooi Celtics

 

Oh and I'm absolutely sleeping on Holmes lol. He had a good game against the raiders? That's.. something to think about over his performance across the whole season. He's not Terry rozier if we're continuing this analogy

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31 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

You're just now discovering we were well coached after watching a raiders game? That's been the TBD narrative since the second half of the season

 

It was my narrative from the first game.  That win vs. the Jets felt different from the get go.  We were not stupid for a change.  

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1 minute ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

 

It was my narrative from the first game.  That win vs. the Jets felt different from the get go.  We were not stupid for a change.  

yeah not to be mean but this hasn't exactly been a revelation from the OP haha.

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2 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

yeah not to be mean but this hasn't exactly been a revelation from the OP haha.

 

True, but I like the OP's enthusiasm.  Don't know if we can compare ourselves to one of the most storied franchises in sport yet, but we are no longer a laughing stock.  I remember when Pegula was hiring McDermott - said he just wanted our franchise to be respected.  I felt bad for him, and for us.  I think our team is now seen as a professional outfit, whereas before they were amateurs.  I mean seriously, can't believe Russ Brandon was our GM! Rex eating dog biscuits and hiring his brother?  We were a circus.  

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