ddaryl Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I think their might be some fire here.. If you put together the consistencies in rumors over the last month and each teams requirement it has become obvious to move upwards would require a creative multi team trade to satisfy all partners I'll take the rumor with a huge grain of salt, but creativity is needed to get this type of deal done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Who?!? Not one big name is reporting anything with the Bills Brooks and Jeremiah both know something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Brooks and Jeremiah both know something. No guarantees and it still hasn't happened. However, those saying this makes zero sense, that it's nonsense, zero % chance etc.....Make sure you come on here and eat a big bowl of crow if it happens! Easy to come on and say that it has 0% credibility to it. #no skin in the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 What if the league just wants to announce the schedule first, make the news cycle all about that, then in the weekend / Monday drop our bombshell to lead into the draft? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Boyst62 said: Beckham for Gronk, swap firsts this year, Pat's send this year's 2 firsts and next year's to go to #2. If I'm ne* I do that. And if I’m NY I don’t. Why trade for a TE who is openly contemplating retirement? And given how far down in the 1st round the Pats draft this year (and likely next) that’s nowhere near the ammo needed to get up to #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I understand the parameters of the deal are sketchy for a few folks. However, how it actually all goes down and plays out could be vastly different in terms of the compensation. Could be more like Buffalo gives up 12, 22, 53, 56, 2019 first, 2020 3rd. Giants give up 2nd and say something else, end up with 4th, 22nd, 56th. And possibly more from Browns/Bills. Browns give up 1st and 4th but acquire the 2nd, 12th, 53rd, Shaq Lawson, 2019 1st and 2020 3rd. I could be way off and probably am, just saying the rumour isnt true or false based on the projected compensation... cause the teams can still be working on the price right up until draft night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Trade Beckham & #2 for Gronk and 3 picks in the 20s? or Trade Beckham & 2 for 4 / 12 / 22 / ~56? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Boyst62 said: Beckham for Gronk, swap firsts this year, Pat's send this year's 2 firsts and next year's to go to #2. If I'm ne* I do that. So the Giants spent a first rounder on Engram (23rd overall)- 64 Rec-722 Yards-6TDs as a rookie. Yet the giants are going to have interest in gronk? Enough so to trade ODB as part of a deal for him? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Ittakestime said: Again. do people even apply common sense to anything before publishing it? The Cleveland Browns, Buffalo Bills and New York Giants may have something brewing. The Browns would land the Giants' No. 2 overall pick, the Giants would then get the Bills' No. 4 and No. 12 picks, while the Bills would find themselves with the No. 1 overall pick. So Bills get first overall. Giants get 4th and 12th. Cleveland drops down a spot and loses 4th overall. Can someone please tell me how this makes any sense? Cleveland and the giants get the players they want at 2 and 4 plus get additional assets. that is how it works. Bills over pay but get the qb they want . It makes a ton of sense. if Cleveland wants Allen they are guaranteed him at 2 . If the GIants want Barley or Chubb they are guaranteed the player at 4 . They risk nothing and get ton for moving down. It really is a perfect scenario 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: So the Giants spent a first rounder on Engram (23rd overall)- 64 Rec-722 Yards-6TDs as a rookie. Yet the giants are going to have interest in gronk? Enough so to trade ODB as part of a deal for him? ? The Pats would likely happily take #22 for Gronk. You can have Barkley / pick 12 (stud LB / DB) / Gronk / pick 56 or Gronk / pick 23 / pick 31 / Pats 2019 1st Which is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: The Pats would likely happily take #22 for Gronk. You can have Barkley / pick 12 (stud LB / DB) / Gronk / pick 56 or Gronk / pick 23 / pick 31 / Pats 2019 1st Which is better? Huh? How do you have Barkley,12,22 and 56? Are we giving the Giants our picks without getting anything other than ODB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Huh? How do you have Barkley,12,22 and 56? Are we giving the Giants our picks without getting anything other than ODB? Pick #1. Odell to Cleveland with #2. Probably another later Bills pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Brooks and Jeremiah both know something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither of them made any mention of specific teams, right? Obviously Buffalo appears to be one of the most likely teams to move up, but nobody significant has really said that it's related to Buffalo AFAIK Edited April 17, 2018 by DCOrange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, DCOrange said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither of them made any mention of specific teams, right? No, that's where the wise sages on this forum come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither of them made any mention of specific teams, right? They are tied into the draft though. If you own NFL net and you want to promote draft coverage, they are a young up & coming team you could push to hint something first before Rapsheet or Schefter breaks it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, cle23 said: Tre'Davious White please. You can get right the hell outta here mister 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither of them made any mention of specific teams, right? Obviously Buffalo appears to be one of the most likely teams to move up, but nobody significant has really said that it's related to Buffalo AFAIK These guys purposely keep it as vague as possbile so if/when anything happens they can claim they knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny3410 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, zevo said: You can get right the hell outta here mister Yes that will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 12 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Is that yours dude? If it is awesome. If it isn't, still awesome. I Wish!!! Nah JAC 12 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: I've never left a three way disappointed my friend. I concur with this also!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, cle23 said: Tre'Davious White please. Lmao. You will get EJ Groins errrr Gaines and like it. Greggggggg would ruin Tre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: I understand the parameters of the deal are sketchy for a few folks. However, how it actually all goes down and plays out could be vastly different in terms of the compensation. Could be more like Buffalo gives up 12, 22, 53, 56, 2019 first, 2020 3rd. Giants give up 2nd and say something else, end up with 4th, 22nd, 56th. And possibly more from Browns/Bills. Browns give up 1st and 4th but acquire the 2nd, 12th, 53rd, Shaq Lawson, 2019 1st and 2020 3rd. I could be way off and probably am, just saying the rumour isnt true or false based on the projected compensation... cause the teams can still be working on the price right up until draft night. And the Bills can't field a roster this year and set themselves back another 3. Do people even listen to Beane when he talks? It's all about building through draft. He is not giving away 4 first round picks, 2 2nd round picks, and a 3rd round pick for one crapshoot of a player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineforty Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: And the Bills can't field a roster this year and set themselves back another 3. Do people even listen to Beane when he talks? It's all about building through draft. He is not giving away 4 first round picks, 2 2nd round picks, and a 3rd round pick for one crapshoot of a player Apparently you are the one who doesn't listen to everything Beane says. And should you even trust everything he says in public? As a bills fan I hope not... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: And the Bills can't field a roster this year and set themselves back another 3. Do people even listen to Beane when he talks? It's all about building through draft. He is not giving away 4 first round picks, 2 2nd round picks, and a 3rd round pick for one crapshoot of a player Cant field a roster? You realize a SB winning team literally did exactly the same thing we are currently doing? Moreover, its three first rounders and you are not giving them away you are getting a blue chip prospect at the most important position. SOMETHING BEANE ALSO SAID WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF A FRANCHISE QB. Oh, and that thing called cap space that we gain massive amounts of next off season. Ya know to fill those holes you seem to deem impossible to fill unless we draft them this year. Edited April 17, 2018 by BillsFan17 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I'm not a fan of the Jimmy Johnson chart, as I generally feel it is antiquated and became obsolete with the rookie wage scale (seriously, check out the trades since 2011 using the JJ chart. They make no sense.), but I do understand that the truth generally lies in the middle. So I checked some scenarios with both the Rich Hill base 100 chart and the JJ chart. Ended up with a slightly modified version of my original proposal. I feel like the scenario is at least plausible, and each team can sell it as a win. - Bills get their QB and still have a pick in rounds 2 & 3 this year. - Browns still get the QB they want and come out ahead 1 1st round pick this year and next year. - Giants get they player that they were going to get at 2, but also pick up an additional 2nd & 3rd round pick. And before people go twisting who's giving what for what, I also put together the net result for the Browns since they were involved in both transactions. They come out ahead in both. So no, they aren't losing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny3410 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Cant field a roster? You realize a SB winning team literally did exactly the same thing we are currently doing? Moreover, its three first rounders and you are not giving them away you are getting a blue chip prospect at the most important position. SOMETHING BEANE ALSO SAID WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF A FRANCHISE QB. Oh, and that thing called cap space that we gain massive amounts of next off season. Ya know to fill those holes you seem to deem impossible to fill unless we draft them this year. Could not of said it better myself. Well said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, jpsp3434 said: Could not of said it better myself. Well said. have 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, nucci said: have Thank God you were here to fix that. I was literally lost as to what that poster was alluding to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: And the Bills can't field a roster this year and set themselves back another 3. Do people even listen to Beane when he talks? It's all about building through draft. He is not giving away 4 first round picks, 2 2nd round picks, and a 3rd round pick for one crapshoot of a player Beane " It's the GMs job to find a franchise QB" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Thank God you were here to fix that. I was literally lost as to what that poster was alluding to. Figuratively? Edited April 17, 2018 by Augie 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Thank God you were here to fix that. I was literally lost as to what that poster was alluding to. Literally lost.....did you find out where you were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, nucci said: Literally lost.....did you find out where you were? Literally no 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Figuratively? Literally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Beane " It's the GMs job to find a franchise QB" I don't see how that has anything to do with giving away a whole team for a QB. Franchise QB has nothing to do with top 2 picks in draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said: Literally I hope you find your way home!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, Augie said: I hope you find your way home!!! If he doesn't my head will literally explode 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, Augie said: I hope you find your way home!!! Home is what you make it Just now, nucci said: If he doesn't my head will literally explode No it wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Pats trade to number 1. Give up all picks this year to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsFan17 said: Home is what you make it So true there! Just now, mead107 said: Pats trade to number 1. Give up all picks this year to Cleveland. To get to #1, I bet they’d need to throw in some meadcoins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Cant field a roster? You realize a SB winning team literally did exactly the same thing we are currently doing? Moreover, its three first rounders and you are not giving them away you are getting a blue chip prospect at the most important position. SOMETHING BEANE ALSO SAID WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF A FRANCHISE QB. Oh, and that thing called cap space that we gain massive amounts of next off season. Ya know to fill those holes you seem to deem impossible to fill unless we draft them this year. The Eagles did not. They gave a first, 3rd and 4th in current draft year. 1st following year. 2nd 2 years from the trade. That is no where near what was put in that post. Lawson = 1st round pick 2018 12th = 1st round pick 2018 22nd = 1st round pick 2019 1st = 1st round pick 4 first round picks. Then he also has 2 2nds this season and even more picks the following year. That is straight lunacy. You would literally be down 5 players in the first year. Franchise QB has nothing to do with getting to top of draft. There are more franchise QBs that come from beyond the first two picks than there are ones that come from the first two picks. Cap space is the most overrated thing in all of football. Cap space means zero in getting good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: The Eagles did not. They gave a first, 3rd and 4th in current draft year. 1st following year. 2nd 2 years from the trade. That is no where near what was put in that post. Lawson = 1st round pick 2018 12th = 1st round pick 2018 22nd = 1st round pick 2019 1st = 1st round pick 4 first round picks. Then he also has 2 2nds this season and even more picks the following year. That is straight lunacy. You would literally be down 5 players in the first year. Franchise QB has nothing to do with getting to top of draft. There are more franchise QBs that come from beyond the first two picks than there are ones that come from the first two picks. Cap space is the most overrated thing in all of football. Cap space means zero in getting good players. Lmao okay you leaving out trading Kiko and Maxwell and the 13th to get to eight? That never happened I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Lmao okay you leaving out trading Kiko and Maxwell and the 13th to get to eight? That never happened I guess. And you left giving away Cordy to get to 12th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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