SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I agree on the first part but disagree on the second. 16 TDs and 4 Ints 6.80 YPA 907 rate in 11 games in 2016 on a dumpster fire team with a coach with one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel. I get the political/marketing problem but the stats just don't bear out that he's been figured out by defensive cocoordinators , shut down, and made ineffective. I would like to know how much of his stats were garbage time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: I would like to know how much of his stats were garbage time. Look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 He isn't you only believe he is which is why you started this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: He isn't you only believe he is which is why you started this thread I Totally Agree. Sincerely, Punctuation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He isn't you only believe he is which is why you started this thread I think this was first written by Confucius...or maybe I got it in Fortune Cookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: It is ridiculous that Colin Kaepernick had a successful career including 2 trips to NFC Championship and 1 Super Bowl and in in his prime gets ZERO interest. Yet a guy who had a short un productive career is for some reason getting interest. If it were up to me, I'd sign Colin today and name him the presumptive starter. Stop screwin' around Beane. not to mention has had tremendous issues off the field, including almost knocking a woman's eye out....but hey...at least he didn't protest killings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 31 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: No scorn, but he deserves nothing. He was drafted in the first round of the NFL draft and he flushed that opportunity down the drain. As someone who has dealt with mental illness myself, I hope he gets his life back together. But he, like me, doesn't deserve anything. I had to go get my next opportunity and so does he. Then I don't get your negative attitude. Why wouldn't you want to encourage Manzeil? Encouragement doesn't cost anything and could have great benefits. I'm sure anyone trying to tackle life issues could use the help regardless of circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I agree on the first part but disagree on the second. 16 TDs and 4 Ints 6.80 YPA 907 rate in 11 games in 2016 on a dumpster fire team with a coach with one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel. I get the political/marketing problem but the stats just don't bear out that he's been figured out by defensive cocoordinators , shut down, and made ineffective. Some fans point to stats to show Tyrod was a good QB. All that matters is that NFL teams view him as an average player. Le Sean McCoy expressed that opinion as well. If he was way above average , some team would put up with him. Most probably don't want to be in the middle of the circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Some fans point to stats to show Tyrod was a good QB. All that matters is that NFL teams view him as an average player. Le Sean McCoy expressed that opinion as well. If he was way above average , some team would put up with him. Most probably don't want to be in the middle of the circus. I had a boss that used to say "There's lies, there's damned lies, and then there's statistics." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Irv said: Lousy track record. He's a known addict and abuser. He throws for a pro day. Now he's on a dozen web sites speculating which NFL team will sign him. I can't stand Kaepernick, but if Manziel is signed and he is not - it would confirm that there is an NFL blacklist. Hype dies hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Another pro day scheduled ... https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tamu-football/college-station-comeback-johnny-manziel-will-reportedly-throw-texas-pro-day/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I hate when people try to get their life together and succeed.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said: I'm looking forward to the day the draft is over and there isn't 100 threads on trading up etc. There will just be 200 threads instead. 100 on why did we trade up and 100 on why didn't we trade up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 To be fair he’s always been somewhat relevant. The guy was a first round pick and looked pretty good against us in a few of his drives. I think he can still be an adequate player in the right situation. Provided he can ever get out of his own way that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Then I don't get your negative attitude. Why wouldn't you want to encourage Manzeil? Encouragement doesn't cost anything and could have great benefits. I'm sure anyone trying to tackle life issues could use the help regardless of circumstance. You must have missed the part where I said I hope he gets his life back together. Thats different than football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gugny said: Another pro day scheduled ... https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tamu-football/college-station-comeback-johnny-manziel-will-reportedly-throw-texas-pro-day/ Is he going to wear a helmet and shoulder pads for this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Irv said: Lousy track record. He's a known addict and abuser. He throws for a pro day. Now he's on a dozen web sites speculating which NFL team will sign him. I can't stand Kaepernick, but if Manziel is signed and he is not - it would confirm that there is an NFL blacklist. To be fair all he did was drugs and beat a girl, we know that means nothing in NFL HOWEVER Take a Knee during anthem and boom Blacklisted. Edited March 26, 2018 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Eric Moulds on my A** said: I think Johnnys got the off field stuff handled. What he brings to a team on the field? Not much from what I've seen. However, we really should be shaking every tree we see. Johnny, Kap, RG3... idk. McCarron goes down and we're stuck with a Rook or Peterman? We can wave goodbye to a winning season right there. IK the above mentioned names all carry media burdens but McD seems like the type a guy to rise above all that. Benching Taylor for Peterman was not a popular decision and he took a lot of heat. However, it worked two fold. We saw that Peterman isn't the answer and it motivated Taylor, enough so that we snuck into the playoffs. Lions dont lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. Yeah I'm not a Manziel guy at all but what harm would kicking the tires do? In a world where camp arms are all names we forget why not have Manziel be your 4th guy? If he does well great, if not cut him and continue on. 57 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: It is ridiculous that Colin Kaepernick had a successful career including 2 trips to NFC Championship and 1 Super Bowl and in in his prime gets ZERO interest. Yet a guy who had a short un productive career is for some reason getting interest. If it were up to me, I'd sign Colin today and name him the presumptive starter. Stop screwin' around Beane. I agree with the first part not so much the second part. He has a place as a backup in this league. When Blaine Gabbert is still on a roster or Chirstian Hackenburg or you know what I could come up with at least 15 names. Just look at the bottom of the list and tell me Kaep doesn't have a spot in place of one of these guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: To be fair all he did was drugs and beat a girl, we know that means nothing in NFL HOWEVER Take a Knee during anthem and boom Blacklisted. Most fans don't care about what Manziel did. Kaep isn't " blacklisted". That's so overused and inaccurate. He IS bad for business , in the opinion of most owners. Not worth the headache and drama he'd bring to a team. He's just not that good. 4 minutes ago, section122 said: Yeah I'm not a Manziel guy at all but what harm would kicking the tires do? In a world where camp arms are all names we forget why not have Manziel be your 4th guy? If he does well great, if not cut him and continue on. I agree with the first part not so much the second part. He has a place as a backup in this league. When Blaine Gabbert is still on a roster or Chirstian Hackenburg or you know what I could come up with at least 15 names. Just look at the bottom of the list and tell me Kaep doesn't have a spot in place of one of these guys. He doesn't have a spot because nobody wants him. Most teams want a backup to keep quiet, know their place and fall in line. That's not Kaep. His choice. A locker room is a fragile thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Most fans don't care about what Manziel did. Kaep isn't " blacklisted". That's so overused and inaccurate. He IS bad for business , in the opinion of most owners. Not worth the headache and drama he'd bring to a team. He's just not that good. He doesn't have a spot because nobody wants him. Most teams want a backup to keep quiet, know their place and fall in line. That's not Kaep. His choice. A locker room is a fragile thing. So he is blacklisted. Hmmmm why does Reid not have a job yet too? but hey doing drugs, quitting on your team, beating your Girl is ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So he is blacklisted. Hmmmm why does Reid not have a job yet too? but hey doing drugs, quitting on your team, beating your Girl is ok Same reason. It's not blacklisting, though. Just a shared opinion, not a conspiracy. There's nothing illegal about it. The league has a drug program, so I guess it's ok up to a point . Don't be surprised if the league eventually backs down on the marijuana issue. It's legal in some states, and I believe all states eventually. To me, a guy who hits a girl is a loser. I'm not the NFL, though. They do have a domestic violence policy too. Aldon Smith and Rice come to mind. Anyway, there is no collusion or any way to prove it. The players you mention don't sit well witha portion of the fan base and are bad for business. It IS a business after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Same reason. It's not blacklisting, though. Just a shared opinion, not a conspiracy. There's nothing illegal about it. The league has a drug program, so I guess it's ok up to a point . Don't be surprised if the league eventually backs down on the marijuana issue. It's legal in some states, and I believe all states eventually. To me, a guy who hits a girl is a loser. I'm not the NFL, though. They do have a domestic violence policy too. Aldon Smith and Rice come to mind. Anyway, there is no collusion or any way to prove it. The players you mention don't sit well witha portion of the fan base and are bad for business. It IS a business after all. Never said you could prove Collusion. Just showing the double standard is all. Now the things with Johnny Rehab is something the league always overlooked if your were good. Rehab isnt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Manziel says Zay Jones will be fine. How the hell does he know or have any say in the matter! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Same reason. It's not blacklisting, though. Just a shared opinion, not a conspiracy. There's nothing illegal about it. The league has a drug program, so I guess it's ok up to a point . Don't be surprised if the league eventually backs down on the marijuana issue. It's legal in some states, and I believe all states eventually. To me, a guy who hits a girl is a loser. I'm not the NFL, though. They do have a domestic violence policy too. Aldon Smith and Rice come to mind. Anyway, there is no collusion or any way to prove it. The players you mention don't sit well witha portion of the fan base and are bad for business. It IS a business after all. How can you unequivocally say in the first sentence it's not black listing and then later on say there is no way to prove it. wouldn't that also mean there is no way to prove it's not? I don't know if there is or not. But, with all the grief the NFL went through this season and it's affects on ratings and $$$$$$, owners would certainly have motivation to see that he NEVER take another NFL snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: How can you unequivocally say in the first sentence it's not black listing and then later on say there is no way to prove it. wouldn't that also mean there is no way to prove it's not? I don't know if there is or not. But, with all the grief the NFL went through this season and it's affects on ratings and $$$$$$, owners would certainly have motivation to see that he NEVER take another NFL snap. Which isn't illegal. Their entire business is based on ratings and public popularity. Choosing to exile somebody who could impact ratings is not illegal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: Which isn't illegal. Their entire business is based on ratings and public popularity. Choosing to exile somebody who could impact ratings is not illegal. No one said it is. They are just pointing out how Manziel gets relevance over a guy that used his Constitutional Right of Protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Teams are always looking for a QB. Manziel is trying to finagle one last chance for an NFL career. That's why he can have a pro day and have 13 teams represented. In itself, that doesn't make him relevant though. He's got to get signed, then avoid getting cut in training camp, then be fortunate enough to get a start at some point and not poop his pants when he does. If all that happens, then maybe he'll be relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 No one should touch him until he proves himself in the CFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, TigerJ said: Teams are always looking for a QB. Manziel is trying to finagle one last chance for an NFL career. That's why he can have a pro day and have 13 teams represented. In itself, that doesn't make him relevant though. He's got to get signed, then avoid getting cut in training camp, then be fortunate enough to get a start at some point and not poop his pants when he does. If all that happens, then maybe he'll be relevant. So if Kaepernick (clearly a better QB) had a proday tomorrow would 13 teams be there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Hes from money, if he is truley humbled by his experiance I could see signing him for the league min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So if Kaepernick (clearly a better QB) had a proday tomorrow would 13 teams be there? That's another story. If it were up to some GMs and coaches, I would guess he'd be signed. I think owners probably are insturcting GMs not to sign him. They don't want the inevitable political controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, TigerJ said: That's another story. If it were up to some GMs and coaches, I would guess he'd be signed. I think owners probably are insturcting GMs not to sign him. They don't want the inevitable political controversy. So as i stated Rehab gets chance after chance Kaep and Reid blacklisted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So if Kaepernick (clearly a better QB) had a proday tomorrow would 13 teams be there? I don't think so. I'm not saying it's right morally, but it's just the way it is. Alcoholism/drug addiction/domestic violence are "lower on the totem pole of intolerance" than "disrespecting the flag/America/military", meaning that the first list is more tolerated than the second list, especially in a primary conservative fan-base. *For the record, I DON'T think he disrespected America/flag/vets and I believe what he, and others, were doing is 100% okay by me, and I didn't have a personal problem with it. I also fully believe in the NFL/owners being within their rights to not employ somebody who could be determined to be bad for ratings, as well as their right to tell the employees to not make political statements during the games, or they may face repercussions. If I start protesting in the parking lot at my job, I'm going to lose my job* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I don't think so. I'm not saying it's right morally, but it's just the way it is. Alcoholism/drug addiction/domestic violence are "lower on the totem pole of intolerance" than "disrespecting the flag/America/military", meaning that the first list is more tolerated than the second list, especially in a primary conservative fan-base. *For the record, I DON'T think he disrespected America/flag/vets and I believe what he, and others, were doing is 100% okay by me, and I didn't have a personal problem with it. I also fully believe in the NFL/owners being within their rights to not employ somebody who could be determined to be bad for ratings, as well as their right to tell the employees to not make political statements during the games, or they may face repercussions. If I start protesting in the parking lot at my job, I'm going to lose my job* Taking a knee during Anthem is not disrespectful and they have said as much. As you also acknowledge So did the Owners have ANY issue with it as they are the employers??? Nope they didnt. It wasnt until 45 made some asnine statement that his alt right minions got all butt hurt Edited March 26, 2018 by MAJBobby 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 33 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Teams are always looking for a QB. Manziel is trying to finagle one last chance for an NFL career. That's why he can have a pro day and have 13 teams represented. In itself, that doesn't make him relevant though. He's got to get signed, then avoid getting cut in training camp, then be fortunate enough to get a start at some point and not poop his pants when he does. If all that happens, then maybe he'll be relevant. Manziel isn't having a " pro day". He's there as a QB " arm". Teams are there to evaluate draftable college players. It's a smart move by him to make himself visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Taking a knee during Anthem is not disrespectful and they have said as much. So did the Owners have ANY issue with it as they are the employers??? Nope they didnt. It wasnt until 45 made some asnine statement that his alt right minions got all but hurt I don't disagree with you, but the owners know they are at the mercy of ratings and fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: I don't disagree with you, but the owners know they are at the mercy of ratings and fans. And they are actually not. Rating didnt slip because of 45s boycott calling. instead because no one likes ref running the games and stuff like horribla catch rule. As well as streaming and such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Same reason as always; people can't help clicking when they see his name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Taking a knee during Anthem is not disrespectful and they have said as much. As you also acknowledge So did the Owners have ANY issue with it as they are the employers??? Nope they didnt. It wasnt until 45 made some asnine statement that his alt right minions got all butt hurt If a sizable enough portion of the fan base finds it offensive and disrespectful, then it is. At least to them. That's a problem, and the NFL powers that be know it. The Prez brought the issue back into the forefront to stir the pot a bit. The players reacted and fans took sides. The whole thing is bad for business, and needs to be dealt with by the NFL. Just now, MAJBobby said: And they are actually not. Rating didnt slip because of 45s boycott calling. instead because no one likes ref running the games and stuff like horribla catch rule. As well as streaming and such You can theorize this, but there's no way to tell. Speaking in absolutes doesn't make it so. 38 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So if Kaepernick (clearly a better QB) had a proday tomorrow would 13 teams be there? Probably not. They aren't there for Manziel though. It's not his pro day, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: If a sizable enough portion of the fan base finds it offensive and disrespectful, then it is. At least to them. That's a problem, and the NFL powers that be know it. The Prez brought the issue back into the forefront to stir the pot a bit. The players reacted and fans took sides. The whole thing is bad for business, and needs to be dealt with by the NFL. Yeah or MAYBE just Maybe the President stays the f out of things like this and Leads the Nation instead of constantly playing to the divide. But that is another argument for another day and one I dont really want to get into because of UCMJ implications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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