Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 They aren’t reported but they are sometimes leaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Almost always get leaked eventually I googled this and got no actual wonderlic results. I did, however get the betting odds for the highest wonderlic score. The favorite for the highest score is Josh Allen, followed in order by Rosen and Darnold among the top QBs. Lamar Jackson brings up the rear as a long shot. Me thinks there might be a little cultural bias among odds makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Almost always get leaked eventually I googled this and got no actual wonderlic results. I did, however get the betting odds for the highest wonderlic score. The favorite for the highest score is Josh Allen, followed in order by Rosen and Darnold among the top QBs. Lamar Jackson brings up the rear as a long shot. Me thinks there might be a little cultural bias among odds makers. Well, if the test itself is culturally biased they just might be accounting for that. I have to admit, I want to see those scores. Edited March 17, 2018 by SmokinES3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 50 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Almost always get leaked eventually I googled this and got no actual wonderlic results. I did, however get the betting odds for the highest wonderlic score. The favorite for the highest score is Josh Allen, followed in order by Rosen and Darnold among the top QBs. Lamar Jackson brings up the rear as a long shot. Me thinks there might be a little cultural bias among odds makers. My money is on the son of the Surgeon to have the highest score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Fitz had one of the highest scores recorded.... With that said how many times when he was here did you want to yell out, What the heck were you thinking? Point is I think it's overrated. Edited March 17, 2018 by Another Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I think it’s important for QB and OL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 What actually goes into the score? What types of questions are asked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 https://samplewonderlictest.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Good question. I also need to know face size. Face size is very important to me in a quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Good question. I also need to know face size. Face size is very important to me in a quarterback. Yeah? i think the ability to rapidly process information is important in a qb. Apparently you don’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I do! I just prefer a good sized face to go along with a decent Wonderlic. It's my own grading system, very complicated. 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Yeah? i think the ability to rapidly process information is important in a qb. Apparently you don’t. In seriousness, to me the Wonderlic simply eliminates prospects who score below a certain threshold (I don't have a particular score in mind, it might vary from year to year)...a good score isn't indicative of much, but a bad one should be a big red flag. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, Another Fan said: Fitz had one of the highest scores recorded.... With that said how many times when he was here did you want to yell out, What the heck were you thinking? Point is I think it's overrated. Fitz is a genius and much smarter than all of us problem is he thinks he has a howitzer attached to his shoulder and it's really a 9 millimeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 There are examples of successful QBs with low scores like Marino and trash QBs with high scores like manziel. It’s not a deal breaker but I do think it’s a factor in today’s nfl. I would feel a bit queasy drafting a QB high with a score under 25. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Fitz is a genius and much smarter than all of us problem is he thinks he has a howitzer attached to his shoulder and it's really a 9 millimeter It's funny...the howitzer is actually best utilized firing projectiles at relatively low velocities with steep trajectories, whereas a 9mm is a very solid cartridge in terms of overall performance compared to other similar rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It's funny...the howitzer is actually best utilized firing projectiles at relatively low velocities with steep trajectories, whereas a 9mm is a very solid cartridge in terms of overall performance compared to other similar rounds. Fitzs arm wasn't terrible by any means! he was just attracted to double coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: There are examples of successful QBs with low scores like Marino and trash QBs with high scores like manziel. It’s not a deal breaker but I do think it’s a factor in today’s nfl. I would feel a bit queasy drafting a QB high with a score under 25. Absolutely! And yet there have been many successful QBs whose Wonderlic was under 25. You mentioned Marino. Brett Favre and Jim Kelly are a couple others. Higher is still better than lower. It's just that there are lots of other factors too, and intangibles that talent evaluators can only guess at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 As long as it was a girl I don't care who they licked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: There are examples of successful QBs with low scores like Marino and trash QBs with high scores like manziel. It’s not a deal breaker but I do think it’s a factor in today’s nfl. I would feel a bit queasy drafting a QB high with a score under 25. How did Terry Bradshaw do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Another Fan said: Fitz had one of the highest scores recorded.... With that said how many times when he was here did you want to yell out, What the heck were you thinking? Point is I think it's overrated. i agree...altho looking at QBs WL history--it seems you want lower middle to slightly above avg IQ. Jim Kelly and dan marino--very smart football players who are not the most intellectually gifted people. Brady--avg type scores but brilliant QB. Elway--not mensa material but very smart FB player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Most of the guys you guys are citing haven’t played in two decades. The game has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, joesixpack said: Most of the guys you guys are citing haven’t played in two decades. The game has changed. Definitely. Since the defenses can not play the passing game as physical as they used to, they have to disguise coverages and the QB has to be able to recognize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Fitz is a genius and much smarter than all of us Speak for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, mileena said: Speak for yourself. I mean I wouldn't take it personally... let alone let it bother you hes a Harvard graduate , he can be on Wall Street , he is smarter than most people I've always prided myself on academics, and earning a masters was a great moment... I also couldn't get into Harvard even with a 3.7 gpa my original statement was tongue and cheek don't take it personal ? Edited March 18, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 15 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: How did Terry Bradshaw do? 16, one point higher than Jim Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 https://qbscores.wordpress.com/wonderlic-scores/ Here's a good list. It means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 18 hours ago, Another Fan said: Fitz had one of the highest scores recorded.... And how many millions has a guy with very pedestrian physical ability made in the NFL? Intelligence matters, as Fitz's whole career demonstrates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, joesixpack said: Yeah? i think the ability to rapidly process information is important in a qb. Apparently you don’t. No, not when he is sitting at a desk. I need to know how he does on the field. Edited March 18, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 15 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: How did Terry Bradshaw do? Different era, IMO. Bradshaw thew about 23 passes a game and had a career completion percentage of 51.9%. Not much brainpower needed in those days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I’m not sure what to think of the wonderlic. Tee Martin scored an 11 and is a highly thought of offensive coordinator. Marino, Kelly and Bradshaw are in the HOF with low scores. For me, I would probably just need a certain number (maybe 20) to be comfortable with a QB. I would really care from there. 23 vs. 30 wouldn’t really impact my decision making if I were a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: https://qbscores.wordpress.com/wonderlic-scores/ Here's a good list. It means nothing. Single digit scores I would question literacy. And any score in 30 or above you know you are getting a smart football player. Teams still give the wonderlic test. They must use results for some sort of evauluating BTW that test is challenging with the time. I just took it and only made it to question 41. If I were coaching a prospect on how to take it- read question- if it takes longer then 5 seconds to figure- make an educated guess(mostly multiiple choice) and go to next question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Pete said: Single digit scores I would question literacy. And any score in 30 or above you know you are getting a smart football player. Teams still give the wonderlic test. They must use results for some sort of evauluating You obvously don't want a dummy, but Marino, Kelly, McNabb, VY, John David Booty, Charlie Batch, Chris Redman, Randall Cunningham, Heath Shuler, Elvis Grbac, etc all scored in the 14-16 range. What does that tell anyone? Edited March 18, 2018 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 The Wonderlic is a joke of a test and may just be in place to make sure you're not an idiot. It doesn't measure processing speed which is a subtest of the most reputable cognitive tests available. It also doesn't measure the ability to learn and retrieve new information which is also an important quality for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 12 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Definitely. Since the defenses can not play the passing game as physical as they used to, they have to disguise coverages and the QB has to be able to recognize this. yeah the game has changed---QBing in the league sucks now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 36 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: You obvously don't want a dummy, but Marino, Kelly, McNabb, VY, John David Booty, Charlie Batch, Chris Redman, Randall Cunningham, Heath Shuler, Elvis Grbac, etc all scored in the 14-16 range. What does that tell anyone? That half are better QB's than savants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 18 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Fitzs arm wasn't terrible by any means! he was just attracted to double coverage Problem with Fitz’s arm is that he had to wind up from the hip to get any velocity. And when you have to triple hitch on a long out, it’s game over (cue up our 2012 opener vs. the Jets for several examples). There was a reason Lee had to break him down; his arm mechanics are crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: Problem with Fitz’s arm is that he had to wind up from the hip to get any velocity. And when you have to triple hitch on a long out, it’s game over (cue up our 2012 opener vs. the Jets for several examples). There was a reason Lee had to break him down; his arm mechanics are crap. Yea. He really had to crank it... i hated his double and triple hitch Edited March 18, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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