Browns Darnold, Giants Rosen

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

The Browns need to hit on a sure fire superstar at #1 ... The only one that fits that bill is Barkley. Then they can get a QB at #4. There isn't a QB in this draft that is a sure fire superstar.

 

Totally agree. 

 

The Browns are guaranteed a top 3 QB, of which there is zero consensus on who is the best of the bunch. 

 

If they pass on Barkley, he won't be there when they pick 4th. 

 

Seems like a pretty easy decision. Get Barkley, and then get one of the QBs. They can't risk it. 

[starrymessenger]

9 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

The Browns need to hit on a sure fire superstar at #1 ... The only one that fits that bill is Barkley. Then they can get a QB at #4. There isn't a QB in this draft that is a sure fire superstar.

 

Nope. You draft your franchise guy first, franchise back second. Browns will land Barkley at #4 anyway.  

Barkley is a generational talent, agreed, but there are great backs available later in this draft. The reason the Giants are not trading out of the # 2 pick (if thats the case) is because they need to replace their 37 year old starter with another franchise guy. 

[BillsFan130]

29 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

The Giants aren't taking Rosen #2. 

The NFL doesn't like Rosen as much as fans think they do. There are real concerns about his mental make up and shoulder problems. 

How do you know the giants aren’t taking him?

 

Its a very real possibility especially with Eli being in his mid 30s

[jrober38]

Just now, starrymessenger said:

 

Nope. You draft your franchise guy first, franchise back second. Browns will land Barkley at #4 anyway.  

Barkley is a generational talent, agreed, but there are great backs available later in this draft. The reason the Giants are not trading out of the # 2 pick (if thats the case) is because they need to replace their 37 year old starter with another franchise guy. 

 

Indy wanted Barkley, but they just traded down.

 

Indy knows Barkley is going #1 or #2 otherwise they'd have stayed put.

1 minute ago, billsfan11 said:

How do you know the giants aren’t taking him?

 

Its a very real possibility especially with Eli being in his mid 30s

 

I don't think the NFL liked Rosen as much as the fans think it likes him.

 

He's got a bad attitude (widely reported), a mediocre arm and durability issues (concussions and shoulder problems). 

 

I think he's going to go a lot later than people think. I don't see any wow factor which is typically what the NFL targets early in round 1. 

[xRUSHx]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

The Giants are not going to go Quarterback, I maintain that. The question is can the Bills offer enough to get that pick. 

I also don't think they are going QB, IMO even Cleveland might wait at 1 so the Jets could end up the pick of the litter then Cleveland takes one at 4, then Denver and then Arizona in a trade up for one and then the Bills at 12. Same old Bills always waiting for that franchise worthy QB to fall from the sky, maybe we will get lucky and get Rudolph at least, knowing OBD they will wait till round 2 and miss out on him as well to end up with White.. If they take Jackson why did they get of Tyrod, same QB just skrony  legs.

Edited March 17, 2018 by xRUSHx

[peterpan]

42 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

They feel Manning can give them a few more seasons and are going all in now. They want Barkely, the surest game changingick in this draft. All their moves point to this. 

What moves are those? Seriously I don't watch them?

 

Truthfully tho, if what you say is true about the Giants and Manning, wouldn't it make more sense to trade with the bills and get say, 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 thirds and build your team for a SB run that way??

[starrymessenger]

14 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Indy wanted Barkley, but they just traded down.

 

Indy knows Barkley is going #1 or #2 otherwise they'd have stayed put.

 

Maybe they know they can get a great back later in the draft, along with a lot of other potentially impact players they need to (re)build their roster. Barkley is unique but if I'm them I take Guice and three other quality players and probable starters. And its a mistake to think that all of the QBs allegedly at the top of the draft are equivalent prospects. They are not. The Browns know they have the guy they most like. So they are not picking a RB, no matter how good, ahead of that guy thinking they can draft some other facsimili at #4. 

And who would the Colts know that Barkley was going 1 or 2?

Edited March 17, 2018 by starrymessenger

[Real McClappy]

[starrymessenger]

6 minutes ago, peterpan said:

What moves are those? Seriously I don't watch them?

 

Truthfully tho, if what you say is true about the Giants and Manning, wouldn't it make more sense to trade with the bills and get say, 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 thirds and build your team for a SB run that way??

 

If the # 2 pick is not for sale, its because they are taking a QB, most likely Rosen. 

[frostbitmic]

28 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Nope. You draft your franchise guy first, franchise back second. Browns will land Barkley at #4 anyway.  

Barkley is a generational talent, agreed, but there are great backs available later in this draft. The reason the Giants are not trading out of the # 2 pick (if thats the case) is because they need to replace their 37 year old starter with another franchise guy. 

If the Browns don't take Barkley at #1 he's going to the Giants at #2. The Browns have the chance of getting a superstar at #1 and one of these wart laden QB's at #4.

[drf1835]

52 minutes ago, T-Bomb said:

 

I dunno, it's so obvious to me:

 

Browns - Darnold

Giants - Rosen

Jets - Allen (because they are the Jets)

Browns - Barkley

Broncos - Mayfield

 

Yes. That is 100% obvious to me, too. I feel that would be the order of players chosen and by whom,, if no more trade ups. The Jets would pick Allen over Mayfield and Rosen anyway. A #3 is too high to pick Mayfield, for what they gave up, and Jets owner seems tied to Trump.  Rosen abhors Trump. Politics wins, even if Rosen was available then. So, Buffalo, you have the scoop. Act now and deal upwards to get your guy, or when the clock is ticking, or forever hold your peace and take Rudolph or Jackson, etc..

 

[BuffaloRush]

The Browns are for sure taking Darnold - that’s a lock.  The Giants will not be taking a QB.  Nothing that Gettleman has suggest would indicate this.  They have plans to start Manning for 2-3 more seasons.

 

Plus the Giants ownership views the team as one that is able to compete in 2018.  Drafting a rookie QB to sit for 2-3 years isn’t going to help them.  NYG is certainly a candidate to trade down, and probably the Bills only hope if they want Rosen. 

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

Maybe this is why McBeane was not interested in trading to #3.

 

It's likely Beane has already talked to both clubs, maybe his Buddy Gettlemen clued him into the fact the Giants are taking Rosen or Darnold, and the Browns told him they are going QB for sure. 

 

Darnold/Rosen are the only two QB's worth trading up to get.

 

Bottom line, if the Giants are going QB, the Bills will not get their top prospect QB in the draft.  Broncos will get Mayfield, and by the time the Bills pick, there is no QB worth selecting.

 

For some reason I smell the Jets taking Allen over Mayfield.

 

Quite possibly another colossal whiff by this franchise.  They won too many games last season, and it will cost them for another decade or so I think.

 

 

Um. No.

 

He talked to both clubs and neither would trade down to 12.

 

Still not convinced Giants go QB. 

[LA Grant]

1 hour ago, T-Bomb said:

I dunno, it's so obvious to me:

 

Browns - Darnold

Giants - Rosen

Jets - Allen (because they are the Jets)

Browns - Barkley

Broncos - Mayfield

 

Are they anywhere near as important to a franchise than a franchise QB?  No, orders of magnitude less important.

 

That would work out nicely for Cleveland, but what if the Giants take Barkley?

 

If that happens, then #4 would be worth trading down form, and Bills nab Rosen or Mayfield.

[BuffaloRush]

I love how nearly every draft analysist has said that the Giants aren’t taking a QB at #2, yet the majority of fans here at TBD are convinced they are.

[Jay_Fixit]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

No chance Barkley makes it to #4 overall. 

I’d actually love it if the Jets took Barkley. They traded up so they could get him.

 

I can’t wait to revisit this thread after the first round of the draft.

 

So many takez. 

[simool]

Christ, a colossal whiff by this franchise? FFS.  If Rosen and Darnold are the only two qbs in this draft not only are we screwed but the league is too.

 

I have seen every variation of how the qbs are going to go and every variation of who we have to take and why you are right.  You all are friggin broken.

 

I have never seen so much wasted time and energy for something you have no control over. Truly mind numbing. 

 

They take who they take.  I see several Qbs that I believe can get it done.  There are so many other variables tied to a qbs success in this league other than his individual talent.  So many top choices flame out and there are many starting that shouldnt be according to the draft talk the year they came out.

 

Everyone just needs to sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.  I have been on this train for 35 years.  Seen it all. I can, with a fair amount of certainty, tell you that most of you have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about.

 

Okay, I am done here.. time for a beer.

[T-Bomb]

22 minutes ago, simool said:

Christ, a colossal whiff by this franchise? FFS.  If Rosen and Darnold are the only two qbs in this draft not only are we screwed but the league is too.

 

I have seen every variation of how the qbs are going to go and every variation of who we have to take and why you are right.  You all are friggin broken.

 

I have never seen so much wasted time and energy for something you have no control over. Truly mind numbing. 

 

They take who they take.  I see several Qbs that I believe can get it done.  There are so many other variables tied to a qbs success in this league other than his individual talent.  So many top choices flame out and there are many starting that shouldnt be according to the draft talk the year they came out.

 

Everyone just needs to sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.  I have been on this train for 35 years.  Seen it all. I can, with a fair amount of certainty, tell you that most of you have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about.

 

Okay, I am done here.. time for a beer.

 

I have been on the train as long as you, and for most of the ride the team has sucked because they lacked a franchise QB.

 

Franchise QB's are picked at the top of the draft, you don't pick them in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round yadda.  Only teams that do that are the ones with golden horse shoes up their asses, that's not the Bills..

Edited March 17, 2018 by T-Bomb

[simool]

5 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

 

I have been on the train as long as you, and I have a reading comprehension problem.

 

 

Where in my post you came to the conclusion I needed to hear another meaningless opinion, I have no idea.  Yeah about your take.  It's dog crap and means dog crap.  Keep harping your opinion, I truly hope you find whatever it you are looking for.  For my take re-read line two of my post very slowly and try to comprehend it this time. Have a great day.

[T-Bomb]

1 minute ago, simool said:

 

Where in my post you came to the conclusion I needed to hear another meaningless opinion, I have no idea.  Yeah about your take.  It's dog crap and means dog crap.  Keep harping your opinion, I truly hope you find whatever it you are looking for.  For my take re-read line two of my post very slowly and try to comprehend it this time. Have a great day.

 

!@#$ing whaaa!

 

If you don't what opinions get off the !@#$ing internet dumbass.

Edited March 18, 2018 by T-Bomb

[simool]

Just now, T-Bomb said:

 

!@#$ing whaaa!

 

See you just don't make sense Sally.  I don't have a pick, I don't care what anyone's pick is other than the one Beane turns into the league, capiche?  Hope you fix that crying fit toots.

[T-Bomb]

Just now, simool said:

 

See you just don't make sense Sally.  I don't have a pick, I don't care what anyone's pick is other than the one Beane turns into the league, capiche?  Hope you fix that crying fit toots.

 

Just go have your beer already

[78thealltimegreat]

9 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

 

It's been proven time and time again, you don't draft a RB that high, they are nowhere near as important as QB.  Browns will get him at 4 after they get their franchise QB.

 

Bills lose out again I'm afraid.

 

This is why backing into the playoff's to end the drought is nowhere near as important as being able to draft a franchise QB.

 

The Giants will draft their second SB winning franchise QB while the BIlls still have not been able to replace Jim Kelly.  Yup.

Zek Elliott says hi!

[T-Bomb]

3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Zek Elliott says hi!

 

While he's beating on his GF?

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, T-Bomb said:

 

While he's beating on his GF?

 

Unsubstantiated charged that was dropped. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Giants are not going to go Quarterback, I maintain that. The question is can the Bills offer enough to get that pick. 

 

I tend to agree but why do you feel so strongly?

 

 

[JaCrispy]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Giants are not going to go Quarterback, I maintain that. The question is can the Bills offer enough to get that pick. 

It’s likely gotta include a first next year and I doubt Beane does it, although I wish he would.

[OCinBuffalo]

7 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

 

I have been on the train as long as you, and for most of the ride the team has sucked because they lacked a franchise QB.

 

Franchise QB's are picked at the top of the draft, you don't pick them in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round yadda.  Only teams that do that are the ones with golden horse shoes up their asses, that's not the Bills..

Um, we had a chance to draft Russel Wilson in the 3rd(and the 1st and the 2nd), and took TJ Graham instead, so that's not close to right. Clearly something other than a golden horseshoe was up our asses. 

 

Big Ben was a MAC QB that was a "2nd rounder" per the "experts", that was taken by the Steelers in the first round, IIRC staying right in their spot, no trades. 

 

Franchise QBs come from all sorts of places(ask Kurt Warner EDIT: and while we're at it, Warren Moon), and Top 10 drafted QBs have been busting more than they have been hitting, for quite a while now. The best QB draft class of all time == 1983. Check that, and when you are done, look up Ryan Leaf, Jemarcus Russel(did you know he can throw 60 yards on his knees?). When were Marino and Kelly taken?

 

Your point has now been terminated.

 

IF anything is same old, same old, it's this time of year, when we told that the only way to win is to have the #1 pick....when we have seen Cleveland, San Francisco, Detroit, DC,  and wherever the Raiders are playing this year, play hackey sack with the damn thing for decades. None of them have done anything right with it. 

 

Who else has converted a #1 into a day 1 Pro-Bowl caliber QB, besides the Colts with Luck, in the last 10 years? How about 20? 

Edited March 18, 2018 by OCinBuffalo

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

I tend to agree but why do you feel so strongly?

 

 

 

I think they ballsed the Eli thing up so badly last year that they have made the moving on from him extremely tough for themselves. Gettleman is going to repair the o-line, find a run game and give Eli a last run at the show because the Giants fans and ownership want that to happen. And I actually think with a line and run game that might work. 

 

I would go QB if I was there but they have created for themselves a hot mess around moving on from Eli and I would be shocked if they decided to draft someone to peer over his shoulder all year. The Giants were also the team I most felt would not go down to #21. Whether they will go down to #12 is still a question mark in my mind and so I don't think a deal with them will be cheap... but they are the team the Bills now need to focus on. 

[McBean]

18 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Manning has one season left IMO, Rosen is a perfect heir apparent.

 

It would be a huge brain fart by the Giants to trade out of that spot and wait until 12 to pick.

 

Yep.

 

What I’ve been saying. A lot of people on here are buying what the BS media is telling them about Giants rolling with Eli.

 

Not happening. First 3 picks will be QB.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think they ballsed the Eli thing up so badly last year that they have made the moving on from him extremely tough for themselves. Gettleman is going to repair the o-line, find a run game and give Eli a last run at the show because the Giants fans and ownership want that to happen. And I actually think with a line and run game that might work. 

 

I would go QB if I was there but they have created for themselves a hot mess around moving on from Eli and I would be shocked if they decided to draft someone to peer over his shoulder all year. The Giants were also the team I most felt would not go down to #21. Whether they will go down to #12 is still a question mark in my mind and so I don't think a deal with them will be cheap... but they are the team the Bills now need to focus on. 

 

I think we have to trade up to maybe 5 and then trade with the giants.

 

[Stank_Nasty]

OP is being quite dramatic. Beane has done so much right over the last year.... and now the jets move up to 3 and all of a sudden it’s the “same ole bills” Take a pill man. Geez.  

 

And the tank talks. Gross.... bills ended the drought and are STILL in a solid position to make a move on their guy. Stop being so dramatic and come on down from the ledge, friend. 

Edited March 19, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[YoloinOhio]

On 3/17/2018 at 1:01 PM, T-Bomb said:

Maybe this is why McBeane was not interested in trading to #3.

 

It's likely Beane has already talked to both clubs, maybe his Buddy Gettlemen clued him into the fact the Giants are taking Rosen or Darnold, and the Browns told him they are going QB for sure. 

 

Darnold/Rosen are the only two QB's worth trading up to get.

 

Bottom line, if the Giants are going QB, the Bills will not get their top prospect QB in the draft.  Broncos will get Mayfield, and by the time the Bills pick, there is no QB worth selecting.

 

For some reason I smell the Jets taking Allen over Mayfield.

 

Quite possibly another colossal whiff by this franchise.  They won too many games last season, and it will cost them for another decade or so I think.

 

 

Edited March 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[MrEpsYtown]

21 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

It’s likely gotta include a first next year and I doubt Beane does it, although I wish he would.

 

As we get closer and he knows he can get his guy I think he will cave. 

[JaCrispy]

5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

As we get closer and he knows he can get his guy I think he will cave. 

I hope he does because Bills fans expectations are sky high and if we leave the draft with a mid round QB and AJM, they might have a hard time selling tickets...we’ve waited too long and anything but a top 3 QB is unacceptable imo

Edited March 19, 2018 by JaCrispy

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

I hope he does because Bills fans expectations are sky high and if we leave the draft with a mid round QB and AJM, they might have a hard time selling tickets

 

Agreed.

 

Aside from tickets, he is going to have a tough time selling Pegula. I think it's clear Pegula wants a quarterback and I think he really wanted Trubisky last year. I understand why they passed on the trade up, but they have to get that guy this year. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 3/17/2018 at 1:05 PM, GunnerBill said:

The Giants are not going to go Quarterback, I maintain that. The question is can the Bills offer enough to get that pick. 

 

On 3/17/2018 at 1:07 PM, T-Bomb said:

 

Manning has one season left IMO, Rosen is a perfect heir apparent.

 

It would be a huge brain fart by the Giants to trade out of that spot and wait until 12 to pick.

 

If the Giants draft Barkley, assuming OBJ is back healthy, they've improved the Oline  even a half way decent season from ELI would likely give them 4 to 5 wins for the next two season if not better, enough wins to almost certainly not be drafting in the top 5 and maybe not even the top 10.  So this may be their best chance to get the heir to Eli now, and let him sit for a the season regardless of how good or bad the team does. 

 

Likely picking a QB this year to sit, overall the team won't have the strong running game, struggle somewhat and still have a top 10 pick next year.  Plus could trade Eli next year even wit ha poor year maybe get a 3rd for him, and with a decent to good year maybe a low 1st round pick. So would have plenty of draft picks next year to further improve the team.

 

With a new 1st year coach and GM, the pressure isn't as much to win now.  If I were the Giants GM, I'd think long and hard about NOT drafting the QB now while I have a great pick to get almost whomever I want.

[Ittakestime]

23 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I hope he does because Bills fans expectations are sky high and if we leave the draft with a mid round QB and AJM, they might have a hard time selling tickets...we’ve waited too long and anything but a top 3 QB is unacceptable imo

 

This team made the playoffs for the first time in forever. They will have zero problem selling tickets. A rookie QB isn't even going to start the year. Getting a QB at 12 is just as exciting. 

[JaCrispy]

3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

This team made the playoffs for the first time in forever. They will have zero problem selling tickets. A rookie QB isn't even going to start the year. Getting a QB at 12 is just as exciting. 

Then we will have to agree to disagree...on both points...getting the 5th best QB at 12 would not be exciting at all for me.

Edited March 19, 2018 by JaCrispy

[Ittakestime]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

Then we will have to agree to disagree...on both points.

 

Hahaha, ok buddy. If you think this team will have trouble selling tickets next year, I got nothing else to say to you.