Jets just traded with Colts for #3 pick in first round

[Woodman19]

With the way most people on here talk, we will end up with the best non QB in the draft at 12 since 11 QB's will be taken before us...

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, akm0404 said:

 

Wait, are you offering a wager that two or fewer quarterbacks will be selected in the top 10?

 

I am willing to wager up to 500$ on this, pending selection of suitable escrow.

No, most people are talking about 4

[Bills Freak]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I feel like that would be the situation.....getting ajm gives him that time......a young hungry qb with something to prove......let LJ hold the clip board for a year

Of course nobody knows, educated speculation at best. My belief is that alot of people are sleeping on Lamar. The eye test does not reveal a Tyrod clone imo.

[Matt_In_NH]

15 minutes ago, MJS said:

Dang, that means we need to get to #2. That sucks.

 

Not only that, it would have been stupid for the Jets to not being making similar offers to the Giants as they struck with the Colts, Giants were not selling.  I think the top 3 picks are staying with the teams that have them and there is a good chance they are all going QB.

[Nihilarian]

The entire football world is popping woody's over Carson Wentz and Jared Goff because they turned out to be worth what their respective teams traded up for them. So now all QB needy teams are thinking "we" need to draft a QB in the top of the draft.

 

Oddly enough both those young men found the right HC/OC scheme that allowed them to excel and become solid NFL starters. It took Geoff an extra season because he sure didn't look like he was worthy of the first overall pick in his first year. 

 

Now all teams want a Carson Wentz and yet there isn't one in this year's draft class that I see.  What really gets me is that most of the team slated to draft a QB early don't have the necessary people on the roster or coaching staff to develop one of these young QBs properly. All of the top five/six QB's have warts and none look worthy of a bundle of first, second round picks. I'd rather not see this team move up to the number two spot for a wart. 

 

We all saw that McD really did a good job drafting last year in filling some needs at CB, OT. Now we gotta hope they can use those same eyes to find a QB in this year's draft and if not we get to see what AJ McCarron can do. If McCarron can't get it done then trade for Foles. 

[grb]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I’ll belly up for my helping of crow if needed but I don’t think the Giants are going to draft a QB at #2 and I don’t think 4 QB go in the top 10

It is possible they will trade with someone who will, but I think it is equally possible (depending upon what the Browns do) that they draft elsewhere.

The Jets are pretty clearly throwing down the gauntlet to the Browns “draft a QB at #4 and you’re picking at best the 2nd QB off the board.

 

Why not? Eli is in the last stages of his career and when will the Giants get a better shot at his replacement?

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

No, the Jets got as high as they could. The Giants are not passing on what the Jets offered unless they either have someone in mind they think is too good to pass up, or they are stupid.

 

The Jets showing what they were willing to give up for the third overall, I highly doubt they couldn't acquire the second had it really been in play.

 

So while the Bills struggle to find a team in the top five willing to trade out of the top ten, the Jets could potentially have their choice of three QBs 

Or the Giants are just not willing to trade with the Jets?

 

Have those 2 teams ever traded with each other? I can't think of a single one, and couldn't find one when I tried to doduble check on google. 

 

[oldmanfan]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

No we don't. This is just your opinion, right? According to the draft picks value chart, we have zero chance to trade for number one pick. If I was Beane, I would not do it. Beane himself cannot do it anyway if he wanted. Get your Lamar Jackson jerseys ready. Beane and company have been hyping up L. Jackson anyway.

 

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/03/lamar_jackson_steals_show_at_nfl_combine_meets_with_buffalo_bills.html

 

http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/03/2018-nfl-scouting-combine-buffalo-bills-lamar-jackson/

 

http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/16/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-2018-nfl-draft/

You can trade picks from next year.  You can throw in Shady if you really feel you have to have a guy.  Quit thinking that chart really means anything.

[Buffalo Ballin]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

You can trade picks from next year.  You can throw in Shady if you really feel you have to have a guy.  Quit thinking that chart really means anything.

HAHA Beane is not trading next years picks for any of these unknown QBs. Shady is not going anywhere. We have 2 more good years from him before he's traded. Rookie RBs usually don't make immediate impacts in their rookie years. Those 3 articles I linked are not smoke screens about Beane's feelings on Lamar Jackson. He's going to be here. FYI, I'm not married to the chart. However, it is a guideline to base things as a starting point and that chart does a great job.

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

HAHA Beane is not trading next years picks for any of these unknown QBs. Shady is not going anywhere. We have 2 more good years from him before he's traded. Rookie RBs usually don't make immediate impacts in their rookie years. Those 3 articles I linked are not smoke screens about Beane's feelings on Lamar Jackson. He's going to be here. FYI, I'm not married to the chart. However, it is a guideline to base things as a starting point and that chart does a great job.

I agree about Jackson, it may be he's the guy they're targeting.  But you are simply wrong saying we can't move to 1 or 2.  Because you're basing it just off 2018 picks and there's no reason to do so.  And you're basing it off what you think Beane would do and you have no idea about that either

 

[BigBuff423]

Let’s play Devil’s advocate for a moment, let’s say the Draft goes as follows:

1. Browns - Darnold

2. Giants trade with Denver - Rosen

3. Jets - Mayfield

4. Browns - Barkley

5. Giants - Chubb

6. Colts - Nelson

7. Tampa - Fitzpatrick

8. Bears - Tremaine Edmunds

9. 49ers - Ward

10. Raiders - Smith (MLB)

11. Dolphins - Ridley

 

That means Buffalo would have a choice between Allen or Jackson. Is the difference between those two and the other 3 so great that they are worth Harrison Phillips? Or Price? Or Brown (RT)? Or Rashaan Evans?....just a consideration.

Edited March 17, 2018 by BigBuff423

[Chicken Boo]

Everything I've seen from Beane thus far says that he is a smart man and knows better than to reach for a QB like Jackson.

 

Not happening.  DEFINITELY not at #12.

[1billsfan]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

For anyone dreaming about trade scenarios for number one or number two pick, I'm killin' that. It's not going to happen. Zero chance. We're staying pat at number 12 and drafting Lamar Jackson.

 

I'm all in on drafting Lamar Jackson at #12. However with Arizona and LA Chargers well within range to move ahead of the Bills, don't be too sure he'll still be there. If I'm the Bills, the first team ahead of me that'll take a 3rd round pick I'm moving to pick Jackson, just in case someone tried to get in front of the Bills for him.

 

As for Jackson at #12, he's actually my favorite QB in the 1st round prospects. Darnold's gone at 1 overall, I personally don't like Rosen or Mayfield and I never wanted the Bills to draft either of them, and IMO Allen won't even come close to the production and success which Jackson will have at the NFL level. Also, IMO you don't pick a MLB over the need for a high quality, potential franchise QB prospect, no matter how good that LB is. There will be a good one at #22.

 

I imagine the AFC East as Rosen (Jets), Mayfield (Dolphins) and Jackson (Bills). I like the Bills chances with Jackson because those other two guys are nothing but head cases who are looking for drama and attention. I imagine that doesn't go over very we'll in NFL locker rooms over the long haul.

 

 

[Nihilarian]

4 hours ago, jumpgo692003 said:

that sounds more like sour grapes than statistical projection.  who cares if they hit on their qb.  the goal is for the bills to hit on theirs.  the jets trade (smart imo) secures a top 3 qb at worst.  bills need to Decide if the franchise qb is in this draft.  if so, pay whatever it cost and if not, don't overpay and just draft bpa at the picks they have.  that simple.

Go look at their history of drafting QBs to see it's not just my view. This same GM drafted Christian Hackenberg with a number two pick two years ago. The Jets were 5-11 last year and even Kirk Cousins wanted no part of that team for 30 mill per. 

 

The Jets traded up three spots to ensure they get one of the top three QB's...whoopie! They already had the sixth pick and would have probably drafted one of the top three just by staying put. (Foolish indeed if this turns out to be the case.) Instead, to move up three spots they gave up the 6th pick in the first, the 37th and 49th overall picks in this year's draft. PLUS, their number two pick in the 2019 draft.

 

Three number two draft picks all to draft the leftovers from the NY Giants, Cleveland Browns in Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen. If the Giants, Browns draft Rosen, Darnold the Jets are left with Mayfield/Allen just like they would have if they had stayed put. This doesn't look so smart from my view. 

 

I still say the Jets will be firing this coaching staff and GM by the end of the 2018 season no matter which QB they draft. 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

6 hours ago, Putin said:

Does that even guarantee’s we get the guy we want ? Even if it did can we gamble the future of the franchise for the next 5 / 6 years by putting all in the hands of a 20 year old kid who may or may not be the answer to our QB purgatory 

 

Darnold is going #1. If that’s their guy then no. But they have the pick between Rosen, Allen and Mayfield at #2. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I agree about Jackson, it may be he's the guy they're targeting.  But you are simply wrong saying we can't move to 1 or 2.  Because you're basing it just off 2018 picks and there's no reason to do so.  And you're basing it off what you think Beane would do and you have no idea about that either

 

He's not trading anymore. It's over. Did you read the article I linked? Again, it's right here.

 

http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/16/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-2018-nfl-draft/

 

Beane put this out there to get the fan base prepared. We're staying at 12.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

6 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

 

 

No it wont

 

Tbh we might have to pay more

 

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Then they're not locked out because they could do that.  What is wrong with people today?

 

What if the Giants have decided on taking a QB and the Browns refuse to move out of the #4 position and take Barkley. We’ve essentially been locked out of the process.

Edited March 17, 2018 by FeelingOnYouboty

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

He's not trading anymore. It's over. Did you read the article I linked? Again, it's right here.

 

http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/16/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-2018-nfl-draft/

 

Beane put this out there to get the fan base prepared. We're staying at 12.

It said he doesn't know if he'd move up.  Read more carefully.  Again the point is that your statement that they can't get to 2 is wrong.  They can, it's whether they'd use the capital they'd have to use

 

And again, I agree about Jackson

2 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

Tbh we might have to pay more

 

 

What if the Giants have decided on taking a QB and the Browns refuse to move out of the #4 position and take Barkley. We’ve essentially been locked out of the process.

The Bills can only make the best offer they can.  If it is not taken it's not taken.  But to say they are definitely locked out is flat out wrong.

 

if Beane thinks a guy is another Brady he'll offer whatever he has to for a team to move, don't you think?  I don't think he thinks there is, but that's immaterial 

[WGBillsFan]

In negotiations it's all about strategy and wait and see ...now Beane knows what he needs to do if and that's a big if, he wants to move up! 

[Buffalo Ballin]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It said he doesn't know if he'd move up.  Read more carefully.  Again the point is that your statement that they can't get to 2 is wrong.  They can, it's whether they'd use the capital they'd have to use

 

And again, I agree about Jackson

The Bills can only make the best offer they can.  If it is not taken it's not taken.  But to say they are definitely locked out is flat out wrong.

 

if Beane thinks a guy is another Brady he'll offer whatever he has to for a team to move, don't you think?  I don't think he thinks there is, but that's immaterial 

 

This is not an argument or negotiation. This is fact. Beane is staying pat at 12. This is not Madden 2018 where you can force trades. Beane used the "excited" for number 12 pick. I use the word "excited" if I knew that I cannot move up, too. It's done. For him to put that out there, that means a lot.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Buffalo Ballin said:

 

This is not an argument or negotiation. This is fact. Beane is staying pat at 12. This is not Madden 2018 where you can force trades. Beane used the "excited" for number 12 pick. I use the word "excited" if I knew that I cannot move up, too. It's done. For him to put that out there, that means a lot.

You need to go to a dictionary and look up the definition of fact.  We will know after the draft the facts of what happened.  

 

You're correct it's not an argument or negotiation.  It is you thinking you can see the future, and being pigheaded.

[BBillsWestCoast]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Compounding the issue for the Bills is McD wanting to pass on QB last year..........and the perception that he made a trade with a connection in KC rather than the team with lesser prospects for the coming season and ended up with the 22nd pick instead of the 4th pick.      They are lucky they got a good player in Tre White otherwise they'd be getting crucified Browns-style for it. 

 

Completely true. I am not sure that Mahomes or Watson were the guy they wanted and I believe they thought this year we would have a top 10. I would not mind if they traded away a #3 this year to get a #2 next year. They will need picks again to make trades for sure.

[John from Riverside]

28 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Everything I've seen from Beane thus far says that he is a smart man and knows better than to reach for a QB like Jackson.

 

Not happening.  DEFINITELY not at #12.

Not at 12...at 22? Def possibility

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, Woodman19 said:

With the way most people on here talk, we will end up with the best non QB in the draft at 12 since 11 QB's will be taken before us...

  Or end up with a non QB prospect that graded out considerably better than the available QB prospects.

[Buffalo Ballin]

23 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You need to go to a dictionary and look up the definition of fact.  We will know after the draft the facts of what happened.  

 

You're correct it's not an argument or negotiation.  It is you thinking you can see the future, and being pigheaded.

Now you're just attacking me instead of giving me links to articles where Beane is currently talking to Giants for number 2 or Browns' number 1 OR 4th pick. We don't have enough. Simple as that. Did you know that Colts wanted a top 10 pick for their number 3? Most of us sat here thought that we had enough for their 3rd. HAHA we got humbled, but of course, Beane knew way before it became public today.

 

 I'm living in the present day reality. Beane pointed out that he's staying pat with the word "excited" for number 12 pick. He's also hyping up Lamar Jackson. I'm not in denial about this. It sounds like you are dreaming up fantasy trade scenarios in Madden trying not to accept a damn good chance that Lamar is coming here.

 

We all know we need a QB. It's way too obvious, but we don't need to be in the top 5 to get a good one. There have been plenty of great quarterbacks drafted in later rounds. History proves this.

 

You can't see the future either, Old Man. Josh Allen,  Mayfield, Rosen, and Dahnold can all be busts (depends if they're taken within top 10). As I google, I haven't found anything where Beane praises Mayfield and Josh Allen. If you find them, link them. Beane might not even take Lamar Jackson at 12.

 

Relax, Chill. Netflix. Take a walk. No need to stress and give up the farm for the number one pick. That usually doesn't work out. Shout outs to Mike Ditka.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Buffalo Ballin

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Now you're just attacking me instead of giving me links to articles where Beane is currently talking to Giants for number 2 or Browns' number 1 OR 4th pick. We don't have enough. Simple as that. Did you know that Colts wanted a top 10 pick for their number 3? Most of us sat here thought that we had enough for their 3rd. HAHA we got humbled, but of course, Beane knew way before it became public today.

 

 I'm living in the present day reality. Beane pointed out that he's staying pat with the word "excited" for number 12 pick. He's also hyping up Lamar Jackson. I'm not in denial about this. It sounds like you are dreaming up fantasy trade scenarios in Madden trying not to accept a damn good chance that Lamar is coming here.

 

We all know we need a QB. It's way too obvious, but we don't need to be in the top 5 to get a good one. There have been plenty of great quarterbacks drafted in later rounds. History proves this.

 

You can't see the future either, Old Man. Josh Allen,  Mayfield, Rosen, and Dahnold can all be busts (depends if they're taken within top 10). As I google, I haven't found anything where Beane praises Mayfield and Josh Allen. If you find them, link them. Beane might not even take Lamar Jackson at 12.

 

Relax, Chill. Netflix. Take a walk. No need to stress and give up the farm for the number one pick. That usually doesn't work out. Shout outs to Mike Ditka.

Look.  I actually agree with everything above. My one point is you said they can't move up.  They can; it just depends how much they'd want to give up.  And you also don't understand the definition of fact.  But other than those we are of a similar mind.

 

My guess?  They get a stud MLB at 12 and then trade up a few spots for Jackson.  

[YoloinOhio]

41 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

He's not trading anymore. It's over. Did you read the article I linked? Again, it's right here.

 

http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/16/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-2018-nfl-draft/

 

Beane put this out there to get the fan base prepared. We're staying at 12.

He also said he had “no intent to trade up or down in the draft” days before he traded up 9 spots.

[IndyMark]

14 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Or end up with a non QB prospect that graded out considerably better than the available QB prospects.

 

This; it is as likely that Beane will go BPA at #12 as he would try to enter the top 5 for one of the highly suspect QB (none of which are "can't miss').  Again, McD has stated, unequivocally, that ".....we are not as close as people think....".  The Bills are uniquely positioned to pick 6 of the top 100 NFL prospects.  I cannot imagine a scenario where that is less attractive than forfeiting 5 of the top 100 prospects for an "iffy" QB.  There is no Andrew Luck in this draft.  Let me be clear, there is no Andrew Luck in this draft.  The Jets screwed up, they flinched, they panicked.  They paid too much.  The Colts won that trade.....and sadly could have gotten more if they themselves were not so quick and played it out during the draft. 

 

Patience, everyone.  Beane will do us right.  Plus, I am confident Mason Rudolph will become a Bill via the draft.  To me, this is a non-issue.  It will be Rudolph.  Clearly, Jackson is a possibility I just think he will go higher than expected. 

[BigBuff423]

54 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Everything I've seen from Beane thus far says that he is a smart man and knows better than to reach for a QB like Jackson.

 

Not happening.  DEFINITELY not at #12.

 

And yet, Rosen and Jackson are the only two who played consistently in a Pro Style Offense. Jackson won the Heisman, he actually greatly improved in his pocket passing and was highly coachable in this regard according to reports - and he ran the same basic style Offense Daboll has used and is expected to continue to use...also, the same Offense the Pats* have used for years. Just putting some balance on this for consideration.

[Buffalo Ballin]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He also said he had “no intent to trade up or down in the draft” days before he traded up 9 spots.

At the time, we had picks to trade up. We still can but ONLY IF we give up 2019 First rounders. But why? Now this is back to my thought; it's just not worth it. All the QBs are unknowns.

I"ll only trade what we have now, including next year's first, for a HEALTHY Andrew Luck. Of course, that's not going to happen. Colts are keeping him.

[Chicken Boo]

6 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

And yet, Rosen and Jackson are the only two who played consistently in a Pro Style Offense. Jackson won the Heisman, he actually greatly improved in his pocket passing and was highly coachable in this regard according to reports - and he ran the same basic style Offense Daboll has used and is expected to continue to use...also, the same Offense the Pats* have used for years. Just putting some balance on this for consideration.

 

Yet his completion percentage on simple slants is hovering around 50%.

 

I've seen Lamar play.  His legs give him an early advantage on the other QBs in the class, but he has a LONG way to go to be NFL level good passing the football.

 

There's a reason NFL execs wanted him to try his hand at WR and frankly, it's easy to see. 

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

At the time, we had picks to trade up. We still can but ONLY IF we give up 2019 First rounders. But why? Now this is back to my thought; it's just not worth it. All the QBs are unknowns.

I"ll only trade what we have now, including next year's first, for a HEALTHY Andrew Luck. Of course, that's not going to happen. Colts are keeping him.

Actually he traded a player. We still have all the picks.

[Fetou]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Yet his completion percentage on simple slants is hovering around 50%.

 

I've seen Lamar play.  His legs give him an early advantage on the other QBs in the class, but he has a LONG way to go to be NFL level good passing the football.

 

There's a reason NFL execs wanted him to try his hand at WR and frankly, it's easy to see. 

 

Lamar has physical tools that Tyrod didn't have. He is larger and longer.

[Chicken Boo]

3 minutes ago, Fetou said:

 

Lamar has physical tools that Tyrod didn't have. He is larger and longer.

 

Lacks touch and is inaccurate.

[Fetou]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Lacks touch and is inaccurate.

He actually has pretty good touch on his passes. The consistency with his accuracy could be greatly improved with targeted modifications to his throwing base.

 

He is not a top 5 pick kind of prospect, but I think he worth a mid-late 1st round flyer.

[Chuck Wagon]

I think it's more likely Jackson is gone before 12 than it is he's available at 22.

 

 

I could live with Baker / Allen / Jackson at 12 and having 5 other picks on days 1 and 2.  I think Darnold and Rosen are the only guys worth an aggressive move up.

[BigBuff423]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Yet his completion percentage on simple slants is hovering around 50%.

 

I've seen Lamar play.  His legs give him an early advantage on the other QBs in the class, but he has a LONG way to go to be NFL level good passing the football.

 

There's a reason NFL execs wanted him to try his hand at WR and frankly, it's easy to see. 

 

First, since the Combine that narrative has been exposed as patently false. Second, of all the QBs in this Draft, his adjusted completion percentage is the highest, coming in at the solid mid-70% rate. And I too have watched Lamar play, he will be good. Almost wherever he goes, but in certain systems he can be great.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Look.  I actually agree with everything above. My one point is you said they can't move up.  They can; it just depends how much they'd want to give up.  And you also don't understand the definition of fact.  But other than those we are of a similar mind.

 

My guess?  They get a stud MLB at 12 and then trade up a few spots for Jackson.  

If Beane can move up from 22 before the Cardinals pick, he's GM of the year!!

[Locomark]

Anyone but Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield is a bust in my book. They must go to 2 to get Rosen or Darnold.,Trade to 4 w Cleveland and then trade spot 4 and then next years 1 plus to get us to 2. The giants want Barkley and he will be there at 4 because the top 3 will take QBs!

[Ol Dirty B]

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

And, who is that, exactly?  There is no "top guy".  They all have serious flaws.

 

 

I don't know if you're an idiot or not, but you are definitely attempting to rewrite history to fit your own agenda.

 

 

Too bad that you and your friend don't remember that accepting "leftovers" in 2004 rather than chasing after a first round pretender would have yielded Matt Schaub. 

 

You both are hysterical babies ... and ignorant of what went down in 2004.

• 2004 had a bonafide consensus #1 pick in Elli Manning.  Nobody else was even close, and that included all positions not just QBs. Consensus #1 picks hit at a much higher rate than do all over picks, including the guys taken at #2 or #3.   In 2018, there isn't even a consensus on the best QB.   That suggests that maybe all of them are pretenders or, more than likely, one will actually make a decent NFL starter and the rest will bust.
• Phillip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger were both elite prospects significantly better than any of the QB prospects in 2018.  That's the major difference between 2004 and 2018: the quality of the prospects.  Losman was easily a better prospect than Jackson or Rudolph, and at least as good as Allen.  Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield are only marginally better prospects than Losman, and nowhere near as good as the top three from 2004.
• JP Losman would likely have been a second rounder in 2004 if the Bills hadn't traded up to grab him in the first round when Pittsburgh took Roethlisberger at #11.  It was a move predicated on placating the fans who had worked themselves into a QB frenzy.  If Donahoe had waited until the second round and taken Losman, or if he was gone, taken the "leftover" who turned out to be Matt Schaub, who was a decent starter (at least as good as a Dalton or Flacco or Tannehill if not better), the Bills would have had a shot at Aaron Rodgers in the 2005 draft.
• 2018 really resembles 2011 or 2012 more than it resembles 2004 when there were lots of QB prospects taken in the first round (4 in each draft) but only 3 had real success (Newton, Luck, Tannehill), although both of those drafts featured consensus #1 picks who, like Manning, were clearly much better prospects than the over-hyped pretenders whom teams wasted first rounders on (and Washington wasted a lot more than just that).  Aside from the #1 consensus picks, the real quality in both 2011 and 2012 largely came from the "leftovers" or developmental guys who were drafted after the first round: Andy Dalton and Tyrod Taylor in 2011 and Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Nick Foles in 2012.  Oh, yeah, and a real "leftover" among "leftovers", undrafted FA Case Keenum also came out of 2012.
• The Bills have been carefully building up a cache of draft picks that they could use to move up to get a QB prospect if one they like is available, but they don't seem likely to waste those picks drafting a QB that they don't really believe in just to draft a first round QB.  That seemed to be the message from Beane's press conference.  Making personnel moves primarily to pander to the fan base rather than to build a winning football team doesn't seem to be part of the Beane-McDermott regime's DNA, which is a sea change from the way the Bills operated in 2004.

In reality, what you two are suggesting --- trading whatever it takes to move to the top of the draft board to take a QB, any QB with a lot of positive hype from the media draft mavens -- is EXACTLY what the Bills did in 2004 that got them Losman.  I'm sorry that the Bills picked TJ Graham over Russell Wilson in 2012, but I'm sure not sorry that the Bills passed on Matt Leinart, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, and Brandon Weeden.  Too bad they didn't do the same with Losman.  

 

 

So many things wrong in this post. First of all, we are saying these things because we learned from 2004. We aren't saying we knew this in 2004.

 

Everyone says the Bills were going to take Rothlisberger at 13. He was their guy. What a coincidence, we are here at 12 and he was taken at 11 in 2004. If he was your guy, at that position, you have to go up and get him. If you are confident enough that he is your prospect, I don't care if they say you over drafted immediately at that time. What matters is the next 12 years.

 

It's not being hysterical or crying, it's just this is a waste of time if the moves have been to go a combination of LB, CB, OL, WE, RB in the first. 

 

Then your post goes into some weird defense of the Losman pick. He's not marginally worse of a prospect than Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen. Even Jackson too. You say it yourself, you said he'd he a 2nd rounder if it wasn't for the Bills. 3 top 10 guys are a hell of a lot more valued than what you claim Losman was seen as by most of the league.

 

Then you for some reason brought up Matt Schaub. I don't even know what to do with that.

 

I mean are you seriously arguing that we should have wanted 10 years of Matt Schaub? What a stupid argument. 

 

Edited March 18, 2018 by Ol Dirty B