Golden*Wheels Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 He's not even the best looking Bills fan in CT. Ahem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Strange, because I know a number of out of town ST holders, but theyve all had their tickets for years. I'd guess this is fallout from fan representation 2-3 seasons ago. I was a local ST holder, and couldnt believe how many Away Team fans were at each game. Much more than years past. Made for a crappier experience and people were mentioning it by the end of the season. They've been cracking down on keeping tickets local as much as possible since then, and it's already improved. I guess they figure, sure a Buffalo-based fan can still resell, but they are more likely to find someone personally/local to take the tickets instead of putting every game on stubhub and not caring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffalo Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I live on Long Island about 432 miles from the stadium. I have had my seasons since 1982. I can only make a few games a year and I am one of those terrible people who may sell a game if I cannot find anyone to take them. Unfortunately, ticketmaster does not have an option that says "Sell to Bills fans only" so while I am encouraged to use the Bills official reseller, there is no way for me to keep out rival fans. Farther up thread, some mentioned the December tickets that are near impossible to get rid of, will the Bills reimburse me for those?, If they are worried about losing a few dollars that I may gain on an early season game, I'd be more than happy to let them have the profit above list price if they will do the same for the December games when I lose 90% of the tickets value. I take a risk when I buy them, that is on me, but they should not be able to limit my access to tickets just because of my location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, Dalton said: Disagree - on what factual basis do you make this statement? Anti-discrimination law demands that individuals be treated equally in consumer transactions, and cannot be refused equal service based on things like gender, sexual orientation, nationality, age, etc. I don't believe it to be much of a logical leap to include location of residence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 My bonus was 1/3 of normal. Good thing. I'd have bought tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: Turns out the policy has been in place for a couple of years now. It makes some sense to me, especially if you think the team is on its way to some years as a championship contender. How many of these requests do you think they get? Maybe 100 a year? How many are from legitimate fans who want to attend most games, and how many are from people who will be reselling? I'd bet at least half are resellers. So the Bills are giving up $100,000 of revenue by saying no to out of town buyers. Half of them are serious fans, many or most of whom will find a way to circumvent the rules to get tickets - usually by just having a friend or relative buy for them. The resellers are more likely just to move on. In other words, the Bills will still half the tickets, and it'll only cost them about $50,000 a year to have said no. When the Bills are winning, it means they have those unsold tickets in inventory to sell to local fans who want season tickets or even single game tickets. This does several things: 1. There are fewer fans of the opposing team in the stadium. 2. The Bills are able to satisfy ticket demand in the local area, making more fans that really matter to them happy and increasing secondary market value to the Bills. Local advertisers are more interested in marketing with the Bills the more local fans are happy. 3, Selling locally means more kids coming to the games, and that helps build fan loyalty in the next generation. The bolded is because I think that might be a slight underestimation of what some one will move on from if they can make money at it. I agree with everything you said and it was informative. I really don't have a complete understanding of the situation honestly. I don't doubt it would cut down on it. I just will never doubt what a person would do when money is involved. The only reason I say this is because what I love and hate most about people is what they can accomplish when motivated strongly by something. Edited March 9, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
707BillsFan Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 18 hours ago, fridge said: I’ve had season for the last two years living in California. Do they know you're in CA? I'm thinking about getting seasons, not for this year...but the 2019 season. I have people in Buffalo, but don't want jump thru all the hoops to get them if I have to give them a WNY address, etc... Seems stupid. The games I can't attend, I'll give to family / friends who live there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 22 hours ago, simool said: Makes sense to me. Too many out of town people buy season tickets to only attend the premium games and then they sell the others online. Generally to opposing teams. Sucks, but that is the world we live in. Taking it as you are not a real fan is kind of over the top. It's a business decision. Then they should enforce same policy on scalpers who love locally and do same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Huh, I was actually going to get season tickets this year because I finally have the funding to do so. I live literally just across the border in Canada. It was nothing for me to hop over the border to watch the playoff game at Sports City Pizza Pub on Niagara Street, and then finally make the visit a couple weeks later to the original Duff's for wings. But I guess I'm not a real enough lifelong fan to make the same hop over the border for more Bills games, which I've been attending from time to time on a single game basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Call and ask for the general manager of tick sales 4 hours ago, Boyst62 said: My bonus was 1/3 of normal. Good thing. I'd have bought tickets. You should have worked harder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 4 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Anti-discrimination law demands that individuals be treated equally in consumer transactions, and cannot be refused equal service based on things like gender, sexual orientation, nationality, age, etc. I don't believe it to be much of a logical leap to include location of residence. It would require not such leap at all because there would be no logic to it whatsoever. 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Then they should enforce same policy on scalpers who love locally and do same thing. So no they can't even love locally? Does that include some parking lot/back seat, jersey-for-BJ trading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It would require not such leap at all because there would be no logic to it whatsoever. You believe there is no logic to the fact that we have laws which prohibit vendors from not treating customers equally in consumer transactions, and that they might be evenly applied to situations in which vendors are looking to not treat customers differently in consumer transactions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You believe there is no logic to the fact that we have laws which prohibit vendors from not treating customers equally in consumer transactions, and that they might be evenly applied to situations in which vendors are looking to not treat customers differently in consumer transactions? There's also the simple exercise of considering the logical extreme. Could a case be conceivably made (not likely to happen, but still POSSIBLE) for say a religious reason someone has to live somewhere, which happens to be outside of your "local sales area", requiring you to make an exception in their case? Yes, so that would be an unenforceable policy in the first place. It wouldn't be fair to everyone else for THAT person to be able to get tickets based on their religion when they can't. The policy could then also be abused, with anyone able to claim they live where they do for some nebulous, legally protected reason. *edit* Basically in many cases that kind of practice is sort of -technically- legal, but fans would have a legal argument to take them to court. This issue has come up many times in the past in other states. http://fortune.com/2014/01/15/were-the-seahawks-and-broncos-ticket-bans-legal/ Edited March 10, 2018 by 1ManRaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 He is all set. All taken care of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I'm in Cheektowaga..time for me to gobble some up again while the picking time is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You believe there is no logic to the fact that we have laws which prohibit vendors from not treating customers equally in consumer transactions, and that they might be evenly applied to situations in which vendors are looking to not treat customers differently in consumer transactions? Forgetting the ill-logic of concluding that prohibiting one from not treating others equally is equivalent to prohibiting one not treating others differently.....these laws were profiting discrimination based on sex, race, sexual orientation, religion, illness/disability, age, etc---you know all of this. You also know restricting the sale of a product to a certain location violates no anti discrimination laws. It's a policy that doesn't exclude anyone based on accepted protected classes. One's zip code isn't one of those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Forgetting the ill-logic of concluding that prohibiting one from not treating others equally is equivalent to prohibiting one not treating others differently.....these laws were profiting discrimination based on sex, race, sexual orientation, religion, illness/disability, age, etc---you know all of this. You also know restricting the sale of a product to a certain location violates no anti discrimination laws. It's a policy that doesn't exclude anyone based on accepted protected classes. One's zip code isn't one of those. I know how the law is written, I also know how the law has been expanded on via judicial interpretation. As I said, I don't think it's been ajudicated, but logical processes should dictate that if discriminatory policy is bad, then discriminatory policy is bad. Discriminatory policy exists to benefit one group of people over another. I think it would be easy to prove discrimination, and difficult to justify it, in a court of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:25 PM, Canadian Bills Fan said: So does that mean us Canadians cant get season tickets? Nothing personal, it's just a matter of national security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I know how the law is written, I also know how the law has been expanded on via judicial interpretation. As I said, I don't think it's been ajudicated, but logical processes should dictate that if discriminatory policy is bad, then discriminatory policy is bad. Discriminatory policy exists to benefit one group of people over another. I think it would be easy to prove discrimination, and difficult to justify it, in a court of law. You can't say you "know how the law is written" and at the same time, change everything that is in the law. Businesses have the right to refuse service to for any reason as long as they are not basing their reason on discrimination against a protected class. In fact, they can even refuse service to an individual in a protected class if it is not for an arbitrary reason and as long as that reason is applied to all other individuals equally (such as a dress code, or...requiring customers to be "local"). If you are trolling some anti-"activist judiciary" rage, just come out and say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You can't say you "know how the law is written" and at the same time, change everything that is in the law. Businesses have the right to refuse service to for any reason as long as they are not basing their reason on discrimination against a protected class. In fact, they can even refuse service to an individual in a protected class if it is not for an arbitrary reason and as long as that reason is applied to all other individuals equally (such as a dress code, or...requiring customers to be "local"). If you are trolling some anti-"activist judiciary" rage, just come out and say so. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you here, so I don't know why you're acting like a jack ass. Protected classes, which the anti-discrimination laws serve, do so through legal carve outs which are often created by judicial interpretation. I don't think that it is unreasonable to speculate that that the interpretation of the law could extend it to discriminating from individuals from other regions when the sole purpose of the policy in question is to deny entry to a business serving the pubic because of where they live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I'm not trying to pick a fight with you here, so I don't know why you're acting like a jack ass. Protected classes, which the anti-discrimination laws serve, do so through legal carve outs which are often created by judicial interpretation. I don't think that it is unreasonable to speculate that that the interpretation of the law could extend it to discriminating from individuals from other regions when the sole purpose of the policy in question is to deny entry to a business serving the pubic because of where they live. The "legal carve outs" were created by Congress. By denying ALL individuals (in this case, from outside a certain radius from the business) service, it is not picking out any specific protected class and is therefore not arbitrary. Businesses are allowed to do exactly this. There would be no legal reason for a court to disagree with this right of a business that is compliant with anti-discrimination laws that actually exist. And the "sole purpose" of the Bills policy of not selling to out of towers is NOT simply to deny them entry because they live far away. It's obviously to discourage the purchase of tickets simply for resale by the purchasers and the fear that too many of those tickets would end up sold to opposing fans, which would be embarrassing to the business. You are free to disagree with the policy (I think that it's stupid, if that's the logic they are using to defend the practice), but you can't simply create a scenario where a federal or state court would just make up a new class of discrimination that has no connection to protected any class. That would set the precedent that all businesses serving in "public accommodation" would have to serve all clients always without exception. Taken to your extreme, they wouldn't be able to refuse service to people too poor (or unwilling) to purchase the service at full price---or any price. Sounding silly yet? Saying "yeah, I could see that happening" is not a persuasive argument. Sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_marois Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 6:36 PM, Curt said: http://www.bufbills.com/seasontickets/renewal/6242149 Click on the link then scroll down to the bottom. See last question. You realize thats not the real website correct? It says stuff from 2016... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 12 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Anti-discrimination law demands that individuals be treated equally in consumer transactions, and cannot be refused equal service based on things like gender, sexual orientation, nationality, age, etc. I don't believe it to be much of a logical leap to include location of residence. Your statement is totally irrational. Companies can discriminate based on location. No law against it. 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I know how the law is written, I also know how the law has been expanded on via judicial interpretation. As I said, I don't think it's been ajudicated, but logical processes should dictate that if discriminatory policy is bad, then discriminatory policy is bad. Discriminatory policy exists to benefit one group of people over another. I think it would be easy to prove discrimination, and difficult to justify it, in a court of law. Please, stop it. 55 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I'm not trying to pick a fight with you here, so I don't know why you're acting like a jack ass. He is doing so because your position is inane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Pm me, I'll get you season tickets. But at a 50-100% mark up since that is what so many of those !@#$s do to everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 6:36 PM, Curt said: http://www.bufbills.com/seasontickets/renewal/6242149 Click on the link then scroll down to the bottom. See last question. hahahahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 10 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: Huh, I was actually going to get season tickets this year because I finally have the funding to do so. I live literally just across the border in Canada. It was nothing for me to hop over the border to watch the playoff game at Sports City Pizza Pub on Niagara Street, and then finally make the visit a couple weeks later to the original Duff's for wings. But I guess I'm not a real enough lifelong fan to make the same hop over the border for more Bills games, which I've been attending from time to time on a single game basis. What the hell is this mess? It looks like you just want something to complain about, you can definitely get season tickets. This whole "real Bills fan" thing needs to just stop. Some guy is throwing a fit. If he planned on going to all 8 games, then I feel bad for him. But if his plan was to go to 2 or 3 and try to sell the rest to pay for his seasons then I don't feel bad at all. I pay the secondary market prices, because they are driven by what people are willing to pay. So it is what it is. But I'm not going to rail against a policy that tries to keep secondary market prices in check. Season ticket members also get first dibs on individual game ticket sales as well. Up to 4 additional per a game I believe. It's becoming too expensive for people who can't afford season tickets to go to a game because of season ticket holders. A family of 4 can end up paying 500 bucks to go to the Pats home game to one season ticket holder and that could almost pay for all of one season ticket. The rule makes sense. In fact, I wish they'd take more steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catttyyy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 It is a new policy and it's complete bull ****! I live in NYC and am no longer allowed to have season tickets because I live "quite outside the area." I had season 3 seasons ago but due to my job and school I couldn't keep up for 2016 & 2017 so now I no longer qualify. Honestly, I think its dumb.. the tickets I chose to resell when I couldn't make it were sold WAY below face value or I gave them to my friends or family in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I think it’s the opposite, they are trying to limit the late season $10 tickets on the street. I don’t think the secondary market premiums really bother the suits, I think the bad look is all those december tix going for dirt because the “brokers” can’t move them. The Buff News picked up on it last year, and they are pointing out the same thing with Sabres tix this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, catttyyy said: It is a new policy and it's complete bull ****! I live in NYC and am no longer allowed to have season tickets because I live "quite outside the area." I had season 3 seasons ago but due to my job and school I couldn't keep up for 2016 & 2017 so now I no longer qualify. Honestly, I think its dumb.. the tickets I chose to resell when I couldn't make it were sold WAY below face value or I gave them to my friends or family in the area. If you have tickets now you won't lose them. It's just new buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:29 PM, DCbillsfan said: The guy picked up on my area code (703) and that's what started the long answer of "no". Google voice can fix that real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 57 minutes ago, catttyyy said: It is a new policy and it's complete bull ****! I live in NYC and am no longer allowed to have season tickets because I live "quite outside the area." I had season 3 seasons ago but due to my job and school I couldn't keep up for 2016 & 2017 so now I no longer qualify. Honestly, I think its dumb.. the tickets I chose to resell when I couldn't make it were sold WAY below face value or I gave them to my friends or family in the area. Call And ask for the ticket sales manager. Tell him your story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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