Why is Baker Mayfield getting the least amount of buzz?

[atlbillsfan1975]

He is not ready yet emotionally. He may get there but I think he needs to go to a team with a forgiving media and sit for a year. Physically he has all the tools. Mentally between the lines he is ready. It is his emotional growth that needs a little time to develop. If things are going good Baker will be good, when things change and maybe adversity is in his path I wonder how he will respond. He is not Manziel but he also isn’t Russel Wilson from a maturity standpoint. 

[BuffaloSol]

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Interesting - did it say whether he went to any camps? Can’t imagine getting an offer through just a email. HS coaches are the ones that send out the film.

I did it back in the day and got some responses. Some of the d1 schools on the opposite side of the country just never see you. I got some responses to send tape, camp invites, etc. This was back in 03 04. Most guys make highlight tapes and both coaches and players can send tape.

 

It just seems like he was super proactive with it. His email to Wyoming led to him getting his only non walk on offer after a sEason at juco. I believe he sent tape and an email to like every coach on every team in d 1

Edited March 31, 2018 by BuffaloSol

[Koko78]

2 hours ago, aceman_16 said:

This type of angst worked for Thurman.

 

This is an order of magnitude above Thurman being pissed at other teams that he went in the 2nd round.

 

Thurman wasn't keeping a hit list of media morons crossing some imaginary line.

[Lurker]

12 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

 He is not Manziel but he also isn’t Russel Wilson from a maturity standpoint. 

 

Apt comparables...

[aceman_16]

4 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

This is an order of magnitude above Thurman being pissed at other teams that he went in the 2nd round.

 

Thurman wasn't keeping a hit list of media morons crossing some imaginary line.

Until someone proves that it hinders his performance...  Who should really care?  Angst is angst - whether it is a list of doubting teams OR doubting media members. Professional teams have bulliten board material from any source all the time. It provides a solid baseline of intrinsic motivation.

[GoBills808]

9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 ? ? 

 

Tell that to the bills offense last season 

Bills were top 10 in the league for percentage of passes thrown from shotgun in 2017 I believe.

[Koko78]

1 minute ago, aceman_16 said:

Until someone proves that it hinders his performance...  Who should really care?  Angst is angst - whether it is a list of doubting teams OR doubting media members. Professional teams have bulliten board material from any source all the time. It provides a solid baseline of intrinsic motivation.

 

So how high of a draft pick do you want to use to see if it hinders his performance? How, exactly, is being upset about draft position or "bulletin board material" (which is pretty weak to begin with) even in the same category as keeping an enemy list?

 

There are reasons that NFL teams talk to every person who ever ran across prospects. Immaturity and foolishness are some of those reasons.

[Batman1876]

7 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

So how high of a draft pick do you want to use to see if it hinders his performance? How, exactly, is being upset about draft position or "bulletin board material" (which is pretty weak to begin with) even in the same category as keeping an enemy list?

 

There are reasons that NFL teams talk to every person who ever ran across prospects. Immaturity and foolishness are some of those reasons.

You’ve invented that it is a hit list or an enemy list. It’s s list of doubters, remember when shady had a list of doubters and then called them out after the Atlanta game. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

3 hours ago, jr1 said:

he would confront Jerry Sullivan at Wegman's

This is why we should root for the Bills to draft him, that would be priceless!

[H2o]

1 hour ago, jimmy10 said:

 

Oh yeah, I don’t really give a sh*t either, it just makes me wonder where this kid’s head is at. By all accounts he’s an accomplished QB from a big time program almost assured to go in the first round. (As opposed to Brady who was a doughy backup with zero expectations.)

 

And so he chooses to focus on the “haters” to get motivated? That’s kind of weird to me. 

Maybe so, but to each their own. He was a two time walk on who became a great college QB and won the Heisman doing it. He's probably had this list for a long time and it's probably grown over the years. If it pushes him to strive for greatness, then so be it imo. Maybe it has helped him get this far? Idk. One thing I do know? I want Baker wearing that #6 Bills jersey next year and that list hanging in his locker. 

 

 

Awesome avatar by the way my friend. 

Edited March 31, 2018 by H2o

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Unprofessional, petty, distracted... and people bag on Rosen's attitude? Ryan Leaf couldnt ignore/process media BS properly either.

 

No thanks on JP Losman 2.0

 

 

Ouch!

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I think he should focus on football and not what some mediots say.  

 

(media idiots) 

 

[Batman1876]

I just figured it out. He’s short, overlooked, feisty and keeps a list. The dude is Arya Stark! I want him on our team cutting up Lanister’s and Frey’s (Pats and Jets). 

[mileena]

3 hours ago, kdiggz said:

i dont see what's wrong with it.  everyone needs something to motivate them.  if you had the perfect life and everything is handed to you then why would you try hard at anything?  how many times does Tom Brady bring up being a 6th round pick or how the commissioner was out to get him?  whatever it takes to keep you focused day in and day out is a good thing imo

 

It is very wrong and speaks to his overall mental health. He flows in negativity and lacks self confidence if he has such a list. Colin Kaepernick had such a list. How did that work out. He is very unhealthy.

 

Baker Mayfield is off of my big board nownbecause of this. Even if he is available in the 2nd round, I am passing on him.

[Bing Bong]

17 hours ago, Aaronthebaron said:

One more thing, how many times were we frustrated with Tyrod because he couldn’t hit the middle; and why? Without clear throwing windows, he had to move, or attempt to hit where a receiver should be. 

 

We have one of the most DYNAMIC pass catchers one on one in Benjamin. We need one of the guys that lays it up at the last minute, which Allen continually did with ease, and usually off his back foot or across his body. 

 

Im no guru, but if scouts say Allen can develop, get him higher and give it a go. Odds are significantly improved for q.b. success rate when they’re voted top 2. 

We complained about tyrod throwing outside when that was with swatkins and woods while clay wasn't on the team or was in his first year.

 

Then last year we complained about him only throwing to clay (over the middle) and shady, he rarely threw outside.

 

Me thinks like any other quarterback he was just throwing to his best players, the ones he felt comfortable with.

 

Kelvin Benjamin is so dynamic he's hit one 1000 yard season.. barely.. with cam Newton. The same quarterback who threw Steve Smith for 1400. There's a dynamic receiver. Jury is still out on Kelvin IMO.

 

And you want a quarterback that throws off his back foot and across his body??

 

I agree scouts know more than we do but I don't see any other point you make having anything to do with Baker, nor do I agree with those points

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, kdiggz said:

he definitely does have a JP Losman vibe to him.  i could see him buying a house downtown and partying on chippewa every night.  however JP was not much a prospect at all.  i can't believe he was even drafted in round 1

 

JPs arm may have been just as Strong as Rodgers and he was a solid athlete. 

 

He certainly had some natural attributes that push QB prospects into the late first round. 

 

Ironically his scouting report reads with some elements of Mayfield and/or Allen

[aceman_16]

4 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

So how high of a draft pick do you want to use to see if it hinders his performance? How, exactly, is being upset about draft position or "bulletin board material" (which is pretty weak to begin with) even in the same category as keeping an enemy list?

 

There are reasons that NFL teams talk to every person who ever ran across prospects. Immaturity and foolishness are some of those reasons.

He didn't just "start" this LIST after he left college.  He has kept this LIST since the end of high school when he was a historic miss by college recruiters outside of his only listed offers from FAU, New Mexico, and Rice. Started the LIST of nay sayers. 

 

He walked on at Texas Tech and was the first true freshman walk-on in FBS history to start a season opener at QB. He won.  Got hurt and was replaced.  He increased his LIST. Felt slighted by his coach while he was hurt and was not offered a scholarship and decided to move on to Oklahoma ...  Adding to his LIST.

 

Once at Oklahoma and due to a silly Big 12 rule,  Texas Tech refused to relinquish his "rights" and Baker missed a year of football (2014)...  Yep he increased his "LIST. " He fought hard to earn to a spot on the team and to get credit to become a leader.  To make a long story short...  He succeeded.  He won the team's heart/respect along with the Sooner die hards and grabbed a Heisman along the way..  Guessing due to the motivation from his LIST.

 

Baker's career has been full of spectacular play fueled by grudges, slights and efforts to prove doubters wrong...  Guessing while he reflects on this LIST. As I said on an earlier post,  show me where this fueled moxie has hurt his game...  I will wait.

 

 

 

[mileena]

3 hours ago, Batman1876 said:

 It’s an approach that has worked well for Trump and Brady. 

 

I don't think it has worked at all for Trump. The US is the laughing stock of the world because we elected him.

 

#notmypresident

#onetermpresident

#democratswillcontrolcongressin2019

[MiltonWaddams]

The reports of 4 meetings clearly exhibits an interest in him by the Bills. They are doing their due diligence on a kid with some questionable character traits, but also one with an overwhelming desire to excel at his craft and with a lot of evident skill. The talent is there, but the mental fortitude is the thing that has to be a cause for concern for the brass at OBD. I think we should all agree that, if Mayfield is their guy, they will have done the most in-depth assessment possible and we should be confident that they got a guy that fits their long-term goals and one that can be assimilated into the much-talked-about process. Beane and McDermott are not the type to tolerate a fool.

Edited March 31, 2018 by MiltonWaddams

[mileena]

3 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

He didn't just "start" this LIST after he left college.  He has kept this LIST since the end of high school when he was a historic miss by college recruiters outside of his only listed offers from FAU, New Mexico, and Rice. Started the LIST of nay sayers. 

 

He walked on at Texas Tech and was the first true freshman walk-on in FBS history to start a season opener at QB. He won.  Got hurt and was replaced.  He increased his LIST. Felt slighted by his coach while he was hurt and was not offered a scholarship and decided to move on to Oklahoma ...  Adding to his LIST.

 

Once at Oklahoma and due to a silly Big 12 rule,  Texas Tech refused to relinquish his "rights" and Baker missed a year of football (2014)...  Yep he increased his "LIST. " He fought hard to earn to a spot on the team and to get credit to become a leader.  To make a long story short...  He succeeded.  He won the team's heart/respect along with the Sooner die hards and grabbed a Heisman along the way..  Guessing due to the motivation from his LIST.

 

Baker's career has been full of spectacular play fueled by grudges, slights and efforts to prove doubters wrong...  Guessing while he reflects on this LIST. As I said on an earlier post,  show me where this fueled moxie has hurt his game...  I will wait.

 

 

 

 

He has bust written all over him. He is fueled by negativity and anger. He look only at the negative. This speaks of mental health problems. This will hurt him in the long run. A healthy person would brush these "slights" off.

[KDIGGZ]

9 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

It is very wrong and speaks to his overall mental health. He flows in negativity and lacks self confidence if he has such a list. Colin Kaepernick had such a list. How did that work out. He is very unhealthy.

 

Baker Mayfield is off of my big board nownbecause of this. Even if he is available in the 2nd round, I am passing on him.

I keep a hitlist of posters who disagree with me....

[mileena]

1 minute ago, kdiggz said:

I keep a hitlist of posters who disagree with me....

 

LOL. Ok good reply. Shows a sense of humor.

[Bobby Hooks]

2 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

He has bust written all over him. He is fueled by negativity and anger. He look only at the negative. This speaks of mental health problems. This will hurt him in the long run. A healthy person would brush these "slights" off.

 Says no competitive person ever. You were the guy/girl in gym class that agreed with the captains for picking you last, yeah?

Edited March 31, 2018 by Bobby Hooks

[aceman_16]

6 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

He has bust written all over him. He is fueled by negativity and anger. He look only at the negative. This speaks of mental health problems. This will hurt him in the long run. A healthy person would brush these "slights" off.

And you are a licensed mental health professional to know this?  Anger is a natural human response.  It can motivate OR debilitate depending on one's character.  So far for Baker...  It has motivated him.

 

PS his TEAMMATES absolutely love him and that says a lot of him as a young man.

Edited March 31, 2018 by aceman_16

[mileena]

Just now, Bobby Hooks said:

 Says no competitive person ever. You were the guy in gym class that agreed with the captains for picking you last, yeah?

 

FTR, I was picked second or third to last usually. Smart people picked me earlier though as they knew my true skills and could oversee my obesity. I was a defensive specialist in dodgeball (good where everyone was obsessed with offense) and no one covered me in the endzone in football, so I made for an easy target for a TD.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Bills were top 10 in the league for percentage of passes thrown from shotgun in 2017 I believe.

 

Perhaps when they got into shotgun it wasn’t going to be a run, but they lined up under center more than shotgun and they were middle of the pack throwing from under center. 

 

Gotta be able to do it in the nfl 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, aceman_16 said:

And you are a licensed mental health professional to know this?  Anger is a natural human response.  It can motivate OR debilitate debating on one's character.  So far for Baker...  It has motivated him.

Anger, of course, can be pathological, but it is the natural reaction to injustice.

[Batman1876]

11 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

He has bust written all over him. He is fueled by negativity and anger. He look only at the negative. This speaks of mental health problems. This will hurt him in the long run. A healthy person would brush these "slights" off.

Every HOF coach has said they are motivated more by their hatred of losing than their enjoyment of winning. 

[mileena]

2 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

And you are a licensed mental health professional to know this?  Anger is a natural human response.  It can motivate OR debilitate depending on one's character.  So far for Baker...  It has motivated him.

 

I know from first-hand experience. He is being motivated in a way which will hurt him long term. He demonstrates a lack of self-confidence, not just in his playing ability, but overall, which will only further hurt him in his interactions with others and his career. But he is young. Maybe he will change, but usually those traits are deeply engrained from abuse and dysfunction at an early age and cannot be changed. He may have a personality disorder. I feel his angers overflows, and that is unhealthy and will be his eventual undoing.

[Bobby Hooks]

7 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

FTR, I was picked second or third to last usually. Smart people picked me earlier though as they knew my true skills and could oversee my obesity. I was a defensive specialist in dodgeball (good where everyone was obsessed with offense) and no one covered me in the endzone in football, so I made for an easy target for a TD.

Thank you for the honesty. When I wasn’t picked early for football/basketball I was pissed and I made damn sure they wouldn’t make that mistake again. 

 

In Baker’s opinion he’s the best qb in the draft. He wants to make damn sure the people that pick qbs before him and the media that bashed him remember what they said when he’s flicking tds left and right. 

 

If that’s not healthy in super competitive sports where players reputations and livelihoods are on the line I don’t know what is. 

Edited March 31, 2018 by Bobby Hooks

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

This also means he's going to have a list of teams that passed on him in the draft. I can see this guy just killing the Jets every season.

[mileena]

1 minute ago, Batman1876 said:

Every HOF coach has said they are motivated more by their hatred of losing than their enjoyment of winning. 

 

We all hate losing, but Baker has taken things too far and has made a list of others he hates for routine reactions. Drop the bitterness and focus on yourself, not others.

[aceman_16]

Just now, mileena said:

 

I know from first-hand experience. He is being motivated in a way which will hurt him long term. He demonstrates a lack of self-confidence, not just in his playing ability, but overall, which will only further hurt him in his interactions with others and his career. But he is young. Maybe he will change, but usually those traits are deeply engrained from abuse and dysfunction at an early age and cannot be changed. He may have a personality disorder. I feel his angers overflows, and that is unhealthy and will be his eventual undoing.

So based on this answer and improper use of "personality disorder" you are NOT a mental health professional and are just spewing garbage to make your point sound like it has merit.  It is TRULY okay to say....  "I prefer ++++" without trying to Internet diagnose a young man in his early 20s.

[Batman1876]

1 minute ago, mileena said:

 

We all hate losing, but Baker has taken things too far and has made a list of others he hates for routine reactions. Drop the bitterness and focus on yourself, not others.

He is focusing on himself, making himself better to prove the naysayers wrong. 

[Bobby Hooks]

7 minutes ago, mileena said:

 

I know from first-hand experience. He is being motivated in a way which will hurt him long term. He demonstrates a lack of self-confidence, not just in his playing ability, but overall, which will only further hurt him in his interactions with others and his career. But he is young. Maybe he will change, but usually those traits are deeply engrained from abuse and dysfunction at an early age and cannot be changed. He may have a personality disorder. I feel his angers overflows, and that is unhealthy and will be his eventual undoing.

OR... he’s extremely confident in his abilities and has an overwhelming sense of disproving people when their opinions are false.

 

Especially guys that have never played the game before and just shoot out generic “he’s too small” responses every time his name comes up. 

Edited March 31, 2018 by Bobby Hooks

[mileena]

5 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Thank you for the honesty. When I wasn’t picked early for football/basketball I was pissed and I made damn sure they wouldn’t make that mistake again. 

 

In Baker’s opinion he’s the best qb in the draft. He wants to make damn sure the people that pick qbs before him and the media that bashed him remember what they said when he’s flicking tds left and right. 

 

If that’s not healthy in super competitive sports where players reputations and livelihoods are on the line I don’t know what is. 

 

Ok, I might be wrong. Who knows. I am not a mental health professional. I do hope I am wrong if we draft him. He list did concern me, but maybe I am being too hypervigilant.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 minute ago, mileena said:

 

I know from first-hand experience. He is being motivated in a way which will hurt him long term. He demonstrates a lack of self-confidence, not just in his playing ability, but overall, which will only further hurt him in his interactions with others and his career. But he is young. Maybe he will change, but usually those traits are deeply engrained from abuse and dysfunction at an early age and cannot be changed. He may have a personality disorder. I feel his angers overflows, and that is unhealthy and will be his eventual undoing.

It's called the Napoleon complex, they say 92% of all people under 6'0 have this in different degrees. Although is could be SPS ( Small Penis Syndrome), either way when your short in those areas your going to have some sort of complex.

[mileena]

6 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

So based on this answer and improper use of "personality disorder" you are NOT a mental health professional and are just spewing garbage to make your point sound like it has merit.  It is TRULY okay to say....  "I prefer ++++" without trying to Internet diagnose a young man in his early 20s.

 

Well, of course I can't diagnose him, but I have a personality disorder, so I am familiar with them and the DSM and know how to use the term..

6 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

He is focusing on himself, making himself better to prove the naysayers wrong. 

 

Yes I agree with that. I don't know if that is the best long-term strategy, but I hope it works out for him and I am wrong if we draft him.

[BadLandsMeanie]

3 hours ago, jr1 said:

he would confront Jerry Sullivan at Wegman's

I get the feeling he would have to go to a liquor store to find Jerry Sullivan shopping for his groceries.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, RiotAct said:

just like Trump.  I like it!

That was my first thought and he ended up steamrolling through the competition to become president whether you like him or not despite hardly anybody giving him a chance.  Playing with a chip on your shoulder has made many successful NFL quarterbacks. 

 

Drew Brees and Russel Wilson were too short.  Tom Brady had one of the worst combines in for a QB ever and wasn't picked until the 6th round despite a solid career at Michigan.  Aaron Rodgers had to painfully wait in the green room as he kept sliding down the draft and then had to sit behind Brett Favre for a few years.  There's countless examples and I'm sure many of them mentioned took a mental note of people who doubted them (scouts, pundits, coaches, GM's, etc.).  Mayfield could also be a headcase so I think he's a risky pick, but could turn out to be a great QB.