SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916041/article/cardinals-owner-well-be-aggressive-in-finding-a-qb "The quarterback thing will come. I don't want to sound like we're being cavalier about it but we've got to wait for free agency to start to see who is out there," Bidwill told KMVP-FM on Tuesday morning, per the team's official website. "I know we're going to be aggressive, we're going to have a plan." Trade avenues will be explored, along with free agency and the draft to find Palmer's successor. Kirk Cousins sits out there as the clear-cut prize of the open market, but Arizona could also pursue breakout performer Case Keenum or even fellow Vikings passer Teddy Bridgewater on the open market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Cousins is gonna get PAID. I'm thinking 120m for 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Hey Bidwill! We've got a QB here that we can trade to you. Let's see how aggressive you really are! Edited February 13, 2018 by Mark Vader 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: Hey Bidwill! We've got a QB here that we can trade to you. Let's see how aggressive you really are! And he won't cost Kirk Cousins type money 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I used to love when Ralph used to talk that way- because I always agreed with him even if the FO did not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I was thinking about potential trade partners for Taylor, and settled on the Cardinals as the most likely, maybe equal to the Broncos. I know people think Taylor is complete trash, but I could see us getting a 5th for him from one ot those teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I was thinking about potential trade partners for Taylor, and settled on the Cardinals as the most likely, maybe equal to the Broncos. I know people think Taylor is complete trash, but I could see us getting a 5th for him from one ot those teams. Taylor is not trash- he simply cannot process information fast enough to be great...because he has all the tools, except for where it counts most imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, JaCrispy said: Taylor is not trash- he simply cannot process information fast enough to be great...because he has all the tools, except for where it counts most imo. Agreed, and I'm not saying anyone in particular, but I've seen over and over on this board people say that there is no way we could get anything for him, an opinion with which I strongly disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankoElTanko Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 1st (22), a conditional (next yrs, 3rd (or to a 2nd depending on playoffs/starts/ProBowl)) and Tyrod for the 14th overall? I really wouldn't want to give up a 2nd next year but if we could preserve one of them this yr then we could potentially use it as trade bait to move from 15 to somewhere higher if need be, to make sure we get our guy, whomever that is (a la Philly, with the Wentz trade). Or we could accidentally get lucky and catch a slide at the Cards pick and use the next 1st to build the OL/DL/LB? Essentially... Tyrod, the 22nd ovr, and a 3rd(up to a 2nd) next yr. to move up 6/7 spots? While freeing what will be future dead cap space. Edited February 13, 2018 by FrankoElTanko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Agreed, and I'm not saying anyone in particular, but I've seen over and over on this board people say that there is no way we could get anything for him, an opinion with which I strongly disagree. Tyrod isn't trash overall but he's among the leagues worst passers. He's a quandary because with being one of the worst pre-snap and anticipation QB's in the league he can sometimes overcome that and play NFL QB. He has figured out a way to make his backyard play at times be good enough to win NFL games. Quite amazing actually. He also, IMO, has absolutely no trade value. He's a guy that will be picked up after getting cut when the first tear of options choose their destination. He'll be brought in by a team that if their guy gets hurt - they wouldn't mind trying to salvage a season with him. He's not going to teach or mentor anyone and with how bad he is in the pocket he's not a stop gap - he creates confusion on offense. He makes it difficult to evaluate your offensive line and can't help develop WR's and TE's while a young QB gets ready. Edited February 13, 2018 by White Linen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: Hey Bidwill! We've got a QB here that we can trade to you. Let's see how aggressive you really are! Bidwell meant a QUARTERBACK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Tyrod would break Larry Fitzgerald and end his career. I hope he doesn't end up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Taylor is not trash- he simply cannot process information fast enough to be great...because he has all the tools, except for where it counts most imo. Funny how Taylor's intelligence was so much higher when the Bills had real NFL talent at wide receiver on the field : The result whenever he had Woods and Watkins playing : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs Wanna process that information? You can take your time......... Edited February 13, 2018 by grb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, grb said: Funny how Taylor's intelligence was so much higher when the Bills had real NFL talent at wide receiver on the field : The result whenever he had Woods and Watkins on the field : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs Wanna process that information? You can take your time......... his intelligence (QB IQ) has always been low imo...he just had better toys before to help mask it...I say this because Tyrod should be so much better than he is given his a great ability...but it’s his mind that plays tricks on him Edited February 13, 2018 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Tyrod would break Larry Fitzgerald and end his career. I hope he doesn't end up there. Larry Fitzgerald is 34. Some people (not necessarily here) will say he's past his prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916041/article/cardinals-owner-well-be-aggressive-in-finding-a-qb "The quarterback thing will come. I don't want to sound like we're being cavalier about it but we've got to wait for free agency to start to see who is out there," Bidwill told KMVP-FM on Tuesday morning, per the team's official website. "I know we're going to be aggressive, we're going to have a plan." Trade avenues will be explored, along with free agency and the draft to find Palmer's successor. Kirk Cousins sits out there as the clear-cut prize of the open market, but Arizona could also pursue breakout performer Case Keenum or even fellow Vikings passer Teddy Bridgewater on the open market. Personally, this is who I have penciled in as the most likely team to draft Lamar Jackson early. Arians raved about him and I would think that it wasn't just him forming the opinion, it was from him and the team scouting him. And AZ is in perfect position to get him. The intriguing part is that I wonder if that would make AZ interested in Tyrod as a possible trade acquisition to be a Vet that can fit into a similar offensive style they would build for Lamar to play while Lamar sits and learns more. If I am the Bills, this is certainly one of the teams I am calling if I decide to try and trade Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Agreed, and I'm not saying anyone in particular, but I've seen over and over on this board people say that there is no way we could get anything for him, an opinion with which I strongly disagree. I think Taylor has no trade value. No need to argue this point! We'll find out the answer soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: his intelligence has always been low imo...he just had better toys before to help mask it Uh huh. Put - say - Case Keenum on a Bills team with the 2017 receivers and o-line and guess what would happen? His "intelligence" would drop precipitously without the "better toys" he had last season to "help mask it" That is, if you still saw it in terms of intelligence.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Taylor is not trash- he simply cannot process information fast enough to be great...because he has all the tools, except for where it counts most imo. ...agree with your unfortunate yet accurate assessment 'Crispy......and he has a solid work ethic...at the same time, he is hardly alone with struggles to grasp the speed and complexity of the game at this level which is why more fail versus succeed........saw a couple of mocks with Jackson going to 'Zona......maybe TT would be a good fit....... Edited February 13, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 "we're going to have a plan" That sounds hopeful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Cousins seems like the perfect fit for Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "we're going to have a plan" That sounds hopeful... ...and we have "the process"....touche'............... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "we're going to have a plan" That sounds hopeful... It's rather obvious they are going to be aggressive since Palmer retired with Stanton, Barkley, and Gabbert all headed to UFA. I'll mark this down under NSS. Edited February 13, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Personally, this is who I have penciled in as the most likely team to draft Lamar Jackson early. Arians raved about him and I would think that it wasn't just him forming the opinion, it was from him and the team scouting him. And AZ is in perfect position to get him. The intriguing part is that I wonder if that would make AZ interested in Tyrod as a possible trade acquisition to be a Vet that can fit into a similar offensive style they would build for Lamar to play while Lamar sits and learns more. If I am the Bills, this is certainly one of the teams I am calling if I decide to try and trade Tyrod. If LJ is a "scrambling" QB, then yeah, it makes sense to bring in a vet with the same qualities to mentor the rookie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I think if Alex Smith got the return that he did, then Taylor can get at least a 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's rather obvious they are going to be aggressive with Palmer retired with Stanton, Barkley, and Gabbert all headed to UFA. I'll mark this down under NSS. ...Stanton was a 2nd out of MSU and has pretty much been a career backup, coming off an ACL.......probably hits the market for 2 years, $7 mil with $3.5 mil guaranteed....Barkley and Gabbert should call Waste Management but I'd bet they decline the pickup...meh............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Stanton was a 2nd out of MSU and has pretty much been a career backup, coming off an ACL.......probably hits the market for 2 years, $7 mil with $3.5 mil guaranteed....Barkley and Gabbert should call Waste Management but I'd bet they decline the pickup...meh............ To say they have a major need would be an understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, grb said: Funny how Taylor's intelligence was so much higher when the Bills had real NFL talent at wide receiver on the field : The result whenever he had Woods and Watkins playing : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs Wanna process that information? You can take your time......... Seeing that makes me think what if we had a real QB it could of been 54tds and 12pks now that's impressive. Edited February 13, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916041/article/cardinals-owner-well-be-aggressive-in-finding-a-qb "The quarterback thing will come. I don't want to sound like we're being cavalier about it but we've got to wait for free agency to start to see who is out there," Bidwill told KMVP-FM on Tuesday morning, per the team's official website. "I know we're going to be aggressive, we're going to have a plan." Trade avenues will be explored, along with free agency and the draft to find Palmer's successor. Kirk Cousins sits out there as the clear-cut prize of the open market, but Arizona could also pursue breakout performer Case Keenum or even fellow Vikings passer Teddy Bridgewater on the open market. It'd be great if they found their QB in free agency. The more QB needy teams that fill that spot in free agency, the better as far as I'm concerned. Although I hope it's one of the other QBs besides Cousins. I still hope he somehow lands in Buffalo (however unlikely that is...). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: 52 minutes ago, grb said: Funny how Taylor's intelligence was so much higher when the Bills had real NFL talent at wide receiver on the field : The result whenever he had Woods and Watkins playing : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs Wanna process that information? You can take your time......... Seeing that makes me think what if we had a real QB it could of been 54tds and 12pks now that's impressive. This is how TT has "progressed" over the 3 seasons - (He hasn't - all indications show a regression and his best season was under Roman.) Season Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds GWD 2017 263 420 62.6 2799 14 3.3 4 1 10.6 187 89.2 56.4 46 256 2 2016 269 436 61.7 3023 17 3.9 6 1.4 11.2 202 89.7 68.2 42 192 1 2015 242 380 63.7 3035 20 5.3 6 1.6 12.5 217 99.4 70.3 36 212 2 Down down down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This is how TT has "progressed" over the 3 seasons - (He hasn't - all indications show a regression and his best season was under Roman.) Season Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds GWD 2017 263 420 62.6 2799 14 3.3 4 1 10.6 187 89.2 56.4 46 256 2 2016 269 436 61.7 3023 17 3.9 6 1.4 11.2 202 89.7 68.2 42 192 1 2015 242 380 63.7 3035 20 5.3 6 1.6 12.5 217 99.4 70.3 36 212 2 Down down down Coincidentally, it's also the season where he had his best WR Corps and Sammy played the most games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 55 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Larry Fitzgerald is 34. Some people (not necessarily here) will say he's past his prime. he may be past his prime, but he's coming off another excellent season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Yea, I think they push pretty hard for Kirk Cousins. They get him and a healthy David Johnson back they could make some noise next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Mark Vader said: Hey Bidwill! We've got a QB here that we can trade to you. Let's see how aggressive you really are! Was just going to post something along these lines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 47 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...and we have "the process"....touche'............... Joel Embiid should look great in a Bills uni, but the guy is injury prone. DOOMED!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 TT missed throwing to more open receivers than Jalen Hurts, even when we had the Rams 'playoff' receivers. 1 hour ago, grb said: Uh huh. Put - say - Case Keenum on a Bills team with the 2017 receivers and o-line and guess what would happen? His "intelligence" would drop precipitously without the "better toys" he had last season to "help mask it" That is, if you still saw it in terms of intelligence.......... Me thinks you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Teams understand that we will need to cut him so that we do not have to pay his March bonus. They will be patient and wait for that to happen before pursuing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, jahnyc said: Teams understand that we will need to cut him so that we do not have to pay his March bonus. They will be patient and wait for that to happen before pursuing him. Not trying to be sarcastic but who are these teams that are waiting patiently ? He's just not that good IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: his intelligence (QB IQ) has always been low imo...he just had better toys before to help mask it...I say this because Tyrod should be so much better than he is given his a great ability...but it’s his mind that plays tricks on him QBs are much harder to find than "better toys". If he can perform with "better toys", why don't we just get some "better toys"? QB problem solved. We're gonna need "better toys", no matter who the QB is btw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Coincidentally, it's also the season where he had his best WR Corps and Sammy played the most games. If you don’t get it you don’t get it. 20 passing TD’s is below average. 2016 there were 1.4 passing TDs per game = 22.4 per season. 15 and 14 even more. Is it so wrong to want above average???? 2 hours ago, klos63 said: he may be past his prime, but he's coming off another excellent season. Agreed. Edited February 13, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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