SWATeam Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: Or we could get a hunt, kamara etc... without a huge premium Yes, I'm good with a mid round investment. Not a high pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Yes, I'm good with a mid round investment. Not a high pick I think a lot of us are in agreement with strategy but not so much on what “high” or “priority” mean. I don’t think there’s a group advocating a first rounder. Just a premium over “any dude off the street” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 The RB position needs to be addressed and upgraded, and I believe it will be. I don't know though how OBD will prioritize their needs or what their philosophy is in approaching the draft. Many observers have said that as a general matter and across all position groups this year's class is not especially strong. If that's true then it's maybe not the greatest year to be showing up with a boatload of picks, though no doubt there are enuf great players for us to have a successful draft. OTOH the RB group is unusually good and deep. One approach would be to take that into account in setting the board and in giving that position group a certain priority. There is a generational talent (Barkely)who will and fully deserves to go top 5. Guice is not too far behind and there are a number of other guys who project as franchise backs. While it's certainly true that you can find a good to serviceable RB in later rounds, in a trade, as a FA or even off the street, there is a big difference between that type of back and a true franchise back. A franchise back is an important cornerstone in a traditional NFL offence. John Elway was a HOF QB but the Broncos only won a championship when they found a great RB. If you are drafting and grooming a young QB his best friend is a strong running game. The Bills have an elite back, but for how much longer? Since they need an upgrade to spell him, why not draft his successor? If they get lucky maybe they find another Terrell Davis in the sixth round, but the percentages are much more favourable in rounds up to an including the third. If a guy like Penny is somehow still on the board in the 3rd I certainly wouldn't be upset if the Bills pulled the trigger. If the Bills don't prioritize the position and are interested in finding a "complementary" back to McCoy they might consider Bo Scarborough in the fifth. I think he may well still be there because of injury concerns and the talent that will go before him. But he's a Karlos Williams clone without the career threatening addiction to China food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 19 hours ago, JerseyBills said: I guess preferably in the draft but get Shady as good of RB that you can find. Hehas 2 elite years left, he doesn't take hits like the average RB. He's too shifty to get a good shot on, or he'll smartly go out of bounds versus attempting to get another yard , always after getting the 1st down of course. Whatever route we go with QB on offense, we must draft or take a RB in FA , but drafting is way to go , salary cap wise, spend one of our first 3 picks on RB, will make us much more dynamic and Shady will be able to share some of the load,why also most likely helping his production on the field. Build a stellar O line and any RB with average talent will succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 19 hours ago, JerseyBills said: I disagree. You can have something special at the position with Shady and a great complement. Why not attempt to make part of your O that much more dangerous. A great running game wins Super Bowls Because we’ve had a street FA in Gilissee average 5.6 ypc while in Buffalo and Karlos Williams a 5th round rookie who did the same. we can find a good compliment to Shady much easier than our other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, SWATeam said: Yes, I'm good with a mid round investment. Not a high pick ...agree....need to see what more Cadet and Murphy have....wonder why the Banyard kid didn't fit the McD mold (signed & released 3 times)..not to break hearts or create enemies, but Pro-Bowler Tolbert may be a casualty.....would miss Bubble Screen Mike....pretty deep class overall........ Edited January 14, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I think the memory of that New Orleans game will stay in the Mc's memory come draft day. That means The D line and LB's getting spit out all day and that 1-2 RB attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 49 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...agree....need to see what more Cadet and Murphy have....wonder why the Banyard kid didn't fit the McD mold (signed & released 3 times)..not to break hearts or create enemies, but Pro-Bowler Tolbert may be a casualty.....would miss Bubble Screen Mike....pretty deep class overall........ See I'm not going to pretend to be a draft guy. My college football knowledge is very low , never got into it like the NFL. With that said, the post I made about the 7 RB taken in top 100 , 5/7 we're very big parts of team, 1 was banged up but has bright future (Mixon). The 23 taken out of top 100 , only 1/23 had that type of impact,(Cohen). The odds clearly show a higher pick equals much better production. I understand that you can get great value at RB but if we have one or 2 on the board that they really value highly , I'd pull the trigger. High second - mid 3rd, I think it instantly makes our offense better and we still have plenty of draft capital and FA moves to make at other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Jax added Bouye, Campbell through FA and got a great RB in Fournette. They are 2 quarters away from the title game with Blake the Flake Bortles. I'd love Buf to go after a stud RB and get a big name or 2 on D in FA. Again,this helps the run and pass game, could get an extra elite year out of Shady by having him share the load, and you bring in a great back, preferably a big downhill type, it makes it so hard on a D when Shady comes in to adjust to his unique running style. I feel it's a higher priority than we think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 22 hours ago, JerseyBills said: A star RB is probably the top reason we made the playoffs, he was basically our only offense and did it at an extremely high level. So yea, your point isn't that effective,sir How about timely turnovers as the reason they made it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said: How about timely turnovers as the reason they made it? Um that had a big impact but if you take Shady off that offense, them turnovers wouldn't mean much cause our offense only put up 10 points or something. He was the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 22 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Sony Michel. "It’s not personal, Sonny. It’s strictly business." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 You can find good RBs literally anywhere, sometimes ones that don't even get drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Um that had a big impact but if you take Shady off that offense, them turnovers wouldn't mean much cause our offense only put up 10 points or something. He was the offense. I agree but we should use our first three picks on a qb and some o lineman. If you have a qb with a good line everything else just falls into place and shady or any orher back wouldnt be the offense only. Runningbacks can be found anywhere just look at Hunt and Kamara who have had great years. I just don't think it makes sense to waste a top 100 pick on a running back when we have much greater needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said: I agree but we should use our first three picks on a qb and some o lineman. If you have a qb with a good line everything else just falls into place and shady or any orher back wouldnt be the offense only. Runningbacks can be found anywhere just look at Hunt and Kamara who have had great years. I just don't think it makes sense to waste a top 100 pick on a running back when we have much greater needs. Both Hunt and Kamara were top 100 draft selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, JerseyBills said: I disagree. You can have something special at the position with Shady and a great complement. Why not attempt to make part of your O that much more dangerous. A great running game wins Super Bowls Cadet and Murphy and someone else compete for RB2. Hopefully Cadet comes back in time for some offseason workouts. You could get a decent RB flyer in round 5 maybe? EDIT : There are some good RBs bagging groceries. We just have to use our process and find the right one! Edited January 14, 2018 by Manther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Both Hunt and Kamara were top 100 draft selections. My bad should of broken that up different. I know them two were top 100 picks. What I was trying to say is them two were not premiere picks and the bills have way too many holes to draft a running back in the top 100 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 4:36 PM, Zebrastripes said: My bad should of broken that up different. I know them two were top 100 picks. What I was trying to say is them two were not premiere picks and the bills have way too many holes to draft a running back in the top 100 this year. No worries. Actually KC traded their 3rd plus a 4th and 7th to move up 18 spots in round 3 to draft Kareem Hunt. I am not advocating a first round pick on a RB, either, but a 2nd or 3rd rounder for someone who looks like they could be a very good back is not unreasonable in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Why dont we just pick Gilly back up when he is released? Especially if we are going back to last year's running schemes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Why dont we just pick Gilly back up when he is released? Especially if we are going back to last year's running schemes? You know something that no one else does? http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/mike-gillislee-12446/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You know something that no one else does? http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/mike-gillislee-12446/ Its a guess....but he got no burn for a player they paid so much for.....these type of players are generally let go correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, John from Hemet said: Its a guess....but he got no burn for a player they paid so much for.....these type of players are generally let go correct? He's currently behind Lewis, Burkhead, and White, but who knows what the future holds for him in 2018 with McDaniels slated to leave for the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 <facepalm> Did we learn nothing from Travis Henry, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, CJ Spiller? STOP WITH DRAFTING RB'S HIGH, SUCCESSFUL TEAMS DO NOT DO IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 5:43 PM, fridge said: It blows my mind that Bills fans exist that want to draft a RB. Was our 17 year drought not enough evidence of how little a star running back helps your team? Get a guy off the street that weighs half as much as Tolbert and we’re fine. Fine, tell us some good 125# RBs to draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: <facepalm> Did we learn nothing from Travis Henry, Willis McGahee, Marshawn Lynch, CJ Spiller? STOP WITH DRAFTING RB'S HIGH, SUCCESSFUL TEAMS DO NOT DO IT! I think the Jaguars (Fournette) and Rams (Gurley), No (Ingram) might say otherwise. Don’t forget how Dallas was derailed by the suspension of Ezekiel Elliott. Edited January 17, 2018 by OldTimer1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think the Jaguars (Fournette) and Rams (Gurley) might say otherwise. ... Cowboys (Elliot) and Steelers (Bell). Someone is going to hit a homerun with Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: ... Cowboys (Elliot) and Steelers (Bell). Someone is going to hit a homerun with Barkley. Agreed! It is so “today” to say that RBs can be found anywhere. If if we want a rookie QB, folks should know that a young QB’s best friend is a strong running game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 5:00 PM, Happy Gilmore said: If we expect to be grinding out games, I'd want both lines upgraded. Those type games are won and lost in the trenches, and I feel we've lost too many battles on the lines. So to me, QB/OL/DL are primary concerns, then LB followed by WR then RB. I would sign off on that ? 8 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Agreed! It is so “today” to say that RBs can be found anywhere. If if we want a rookie QB, folks should know that a young QB’s best friend is a strong running game. A rookie QB bff is a good OL and then RB 2 minutes ago, Putin said: I would sign off on that ? A rookie QB bff is a good OL and then RB And BTW we still have Shady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 With our needs, if we spend anything above a 5th rounder on an RB, we're idiots. We need lots of OL, DL, and LB's. We're set at RB for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: With our needs, if we spend anything above a 5th rounder on an RB, we're idiots. We need lots of OL, DL, and LB's. We're set at RB for a while. They have a 29 year old feature back with many years of wear and tear and nobody behind him. I’m not really aligned with your plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: With our needs, if we spend anything above a 5th rounder on an RB, we're idiots. We need lots of OL, DL, and LB's. We're set at RB for a while. I don't see how we are set at RB for awhile. McCoy is slowing down and becoming more injury prone. He is still an elite talent but his work load needs to be monitored. I'd be all for a RB if the talent merited the pick. Honestly I'm all for any position if the talent is good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: They have a 29 year old feature back with many years of wear and tear and nobody behind him. I’m not really aligned with your plan. I'm jaded because the last RB pick that worked out for us was Thurman Thomas. It's a different league now. I'll give you that losing TD Mike was a self-inflicted wound, and we wound up with Fatboyslim, but I like the Denver and Cheat model, getting competent low cost RB's, so you can concentrate on the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If I were McBeane I'd go shopping off the scrap heap. I think a lot of FAs would do very well in Daboll's power run attack. If we do get an RB late I'd love to see Akrum Wadley who could eventually take over for Shady some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, thunderingsquid said: If I were McBeane I'd go shopping off the scrap heap. I think a lot of FAs would do very well in Daboll's power run attack. If we do get an RB late I'd love to see Akrum Wadley who could eventually take over for Shady some day. As an avid Hawkeye love Wadley but if Sony Michel is there with their second 2nd round pick I’d pull the trigger assuming I already had QB, DT and LB addressed. If not Wadley would be solid add but they need a power back to compliment Shady IMO! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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