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If they give DB the job as OC I think they keep TT as the Vet mentor and draft Mayfield or Lamar Jackson.

 

Ok I lied 3 things....but the draft pick will be one of those 2 and with his history...experience with a mobile QB I think TT stays.

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14 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

If they give DB the job as OC I think they keep TT as the Vet mentor and draft Mayfield or Lamar Jackson.

 

Ok I lied 3 things....but the draft pick will be one of those 2 and with his history...experience with a mobile QB I think TT stays.

 

Yes but no jackson, tired of athletes instead of QBs.

 

 

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Bevell is my choice.  I'm ok with tyrod being at qb for a few reasons.......

1. I believe a OC like Bevell will definitely improve tyrods production which improves Buffalos production.

2. We have a chance in this draft to add a bunch of key pieces with our draft pics and maybe even shore up more for future.  Play in the positive not the negative!  So let's not give away 2 1st rounds this year and possibly another next or even a 2nd also on a crap shoot for the next Tom Brady.

3. TYROD hasn't had eye popping #s no but he does protect the ball.  He does throw a pretty ball to and can scramble. New OC (bevell)  and a solid off-season w Benjamin Jones Mathews Thompson clay n Oleary or mayne even throw in a new name with our 2 first rounders or possibly Mark Andrews TE from Oklahoma... in the 2nd round and it could be a whole different world next yr.

4. I guess this touches with last point with our draft stock.... 2 back to back picks we could go after a high motor pass rusher a stud DT and maybe even LB/cb.  Make that Defense one they all don't want to face.  Guys like Smith from Georgia n Evans from bama vita vea from Washington can move for a 300 pounder at DT and was always making plays.   I guess the bottom line for me is .... Lets not trade all of our picks when we clearly need a bunch of pieces. This draft if done right and I'm trusting the process(McDermott n Bean have made me a believer)  we could take a HUGE step in being serious perennial contenders. 

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1 hour ago, JMF2006 said:

If they give DB the job as OC I think they keep TT as the Vet mentor and draft Mayfield or Lamar Jackson.

 

Ok I lied 3 things....but the draft pick will be one of those 2 and with his history...experience with a mobile QB I think TT stays.

 

No, no....Bevell scouted Russ and maximized his value but he was also responsible for one of Favre’s best years as he ended his career in Minnesota. Nothing says he will keep Tyrod, and I HATE the false narrative that Tyrod and Russ have ANYTHING in common except their species. 

 

Russ is accurate, can read Defenses, has a cannon for an arm (Tyrod’s Isn’t bad) and anticipates guys open while calling audibles. Just because Russ can run and Tyrod can run does NOT mean Bevell wants a mobile QB over a quality QB, because that’s the defacto choice.

 

Moreover, look at Beane’s comments about how they will select a QB - nothing in those comments indicate Beane will have an interest in keeping Tyrod - and when you couple that with his statements prior to last season, Taylor is toast as a Bill.....thank God!

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5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I think the Bills are going to trade for Alex Smith and draft a QB. They aren't going to pay Taylor the same money when they obviously don't want him.

I hesitate to say this, but by the numbers for Smith over the past seven seasons are really good -- elite, in fact. Since 2011, his teams have gone 69-31-1 with him at the helm. He is not the reason they lost to TN either. He played well in that game and was REALLY let down by the backup TE and the kicker, who pretty much cost them the game on offense.

 

He led the league in passer rating this year and the Chiefs ended up 6th in yards and 5th in points. 

 

Honestly, I'd take him, and I'd be happy to get him.

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1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I hesitate to say this, but by the numbers for Smith over the past seven seasons are really good -- elite, in fact. Since 2011, his teams have gone 69-31-1 with him at the helm. He is not the reason they lost to TN either. He played well in that game and was REALLY let down by the backup TE and the kicker, who pretty much cost them the game on offense.

 

He led the league in passer rating this year and the Chiefs ended up 6th in yards and 5th in points. 

 

Honestly, I'd take him, and I'd be happy to get him.

 

Does it bug you at all that multiple coaches have tried to replace him?

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2 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I think the Bills are going to trade for Alex Smith and draft a QB. They aren't going to pay Taylor the same money when they obviously don't want him.

Many want him gone and think it is over for him, sadly bring in a new OC that wants to use him one more year then boom we get to see the same fail of a new OC.

In comes OC#5 in 2019 and guess what he also thinks he can do something with Tyrod, why? Because there is no other QB on the team worth a snot because once again OBD avoided drafting a top QB in 2018 so they can address other needs, AKA the Whaley QB purgatory move, if the team never pushes to draft a top QB they will never have one. The blinders of the Chan effect(akaFitz) thinking what they have is good enough. This team has been stuck in the same groundhogs day all those years for a reason. Yippy we got lucky for a wild card once in 17 years, I bet OBD stays with the exact same fail and rides the Tyrod another year. Cutler look out your streak of 5 OCs before your released will be taken out, the Bills are on the way. Reset that drought clock here comes the next 17 and dozens of staffs riding the same type of short bus not good enough QBs.

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The Seahawks had the dumbest offense in the nfl. It had no direction, it was the most frustrating thing to watch in football. Every play was Wilson running around like a chicken with his head cut off and then just lobbing a lollipop down the field. Sometimes they get a pass interference or some times it’s incomplete. I want nothing to do with Bevell. I hate that offense. I would have rather kept Denison.

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1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The Seahawks had the dumbest offense in the nfl. It had no direction, it was the most frustrating thing to watch in football. Every play was Wilson running around like a chicken with his head cut off and then just lobbing a lollipop down the field. Sometimes they get a pass interference or some times it’s incomplete. I want nothing to do with Bevell. I hate that offense. I would have rather kept Denison.

I agree 1000%

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1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The Seahawks had the dumbest offense in the nfl. It had no direction, it was the most frustrating thing to watch in football. Every play was Wilson running around like a chicken with his head cut off and then just lobbing a lollipop down the field. Sometimes they get a pass interference or some times it’s incomplete. I want nothing to do with Bevell. I hate that offense. I would have rather kept Denison.

 

Some of that is on Wilson, who became addicted to freelancing.  Much of that is on the offensive line, which struggled so badly in pass protection that it dramatically limited the types of plays they could run, and forced Wilson to abandon the playcall time and time again.

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16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Does it bug you at all that multiple coaches have tried to replace him?

No, because he's not end game. He would be there to school our new quarterback and in the interim give us solid quarterbacking with accuracy and anticipation with throws. Something we sorely lack. I think it'd be a great scenario.

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Just now, Green Lightning said:

No, because he's not end game. He would be there to school our new quarterback and in the interim give us solid quarterbacking with accuracy and anticipation with throws. Something we sorely lack. I think it'd be a great scenario.

 

I would be ok with that, though I’m still not convinced they’re planning to draft a QB.  I could see this regime talking themselves into passing on a QB and focusing on other parts of the roster to build around an Alex Smith.  

 

My biggest issue with Alex Smith is that he runs a horizontal offense.  He works the 5-7 yard area better than any QB in the league but he also demonstrates a maddening unwillingness to throw it past the sticks on 3rd down.  He needs WRs who can separate and get YAC.  We have zero of those... I really don’t see the fit.  And if Shula is the OC it’s a horrible match.  Good luck running “seven-step drop and chuck it” with Alex Smith as your QB.

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4 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

If they give DB the job as OC I think they keep TT as the Vet mentor and draft Mayfield or Lamar Jackson.

 

Ok I lied 3 things....but the draft pick will be one of those 2 and with his history...experience with a mobile QB I think TT stays.

 

I don't see that at all from Bevell.   But that is just my opinion.  I could be totally wrong.

 

3 hours ago, sugashane69 said:

Bevell is my choice.  I'm ok with tyrod being at qb for a few reasons.......

1. I believe a OC like Bevell will definitely improve tyrods production which improves Buffalos production.

2. We have a chance in this draft to add a bunch of key pieces with our draft pics and maybe even shore up more for future.  Play in the positive not the negative!  So let's not give away 2 1st rounds this year and possibly another next or even a 2nd also on a crap shoot for the next Tom Brady.

3. TYROD hasn't had eye popping #s no but he does protect the ball.  He does throw a pretty ball to and can scramble. New OC (bevell)  and a solid off-season w Benjamin Jones Mathews Thompson clay n Oleary or mayne even throw in a new name with our 2 first rounders or possibly Mark Andrews TE from Oklahoma... in the 2nd round and it could be a whole different world next yr.

4. I guess this touches with last point with our draft stock.... 2 back to back picks we could go after a high motor pass rusher a stud DT and maybe even LB/cb.  Make that Defense one they all don't want to face.  Guys like Smith from Georgia n Evans from bama vita vea from Washington can move for a 300 pounder at DT and was always making plays.   I guess the bottom line for me is .... Lets not trade all of our picks when we clearly need a bunch of pieces. This draft if done right and I'm trusting the process(McDermott n Bean have made me a believer)  we could take a HUGE step in being serious perennial contenders. 

 

I have a feeling that the NFL has seen the best play we are ever going to see out of Tyrod and it was in 2015 and 2016.    I think he is capable of much better play, but only if the coaches specifically design the offense around him.   I thought Dennison was the NFL's best chance to do that - and he didn't do it.   So, I say the Bills are better off moving on and going with a more traditional style of quarterback.  And I think that is exactly what they will do.    My guess is they get a QB whose strength is his arm talent and his brain - while also having a very strong work ethic.   Tyrod is only really strong in one of those traits (the work ethic).    IMHO they should and will move on.

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1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I would be ok with that, though I’m still not convinced they’re planning to draft a QB.  I could see this regime talking themselves into passing on a QB and focusing on other parts of the roster to build around an Alex Smith.  

 

My biggest issue with Alex Smith is that he runs a horizontal offense.  He works the 5-7 yard area better than any QB in the league but he also demonstrates a maddening unwillingness to throw it past the sticks on 3rd down.  He needs WRs who can separate and get YAC.  We have zero of those... I really don’t see the fit.  And if Shula is the OC it’s a horrible match.  Good luck running “seven-step drop and chuck it” with Alex Smith as your QB.

I just do not see them going for Smith. I agree they could end up not drafting a QB early in the draft because they have done the same fail for a long time so to think they will accualy pull the trigger on one would be a big step in the right direction for OBD and sadly I just do not have confidence they will do it. See it then I will believe it until then same old Bills IMO.

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1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I would be ok with that, though I’m still not convinced they’re planning to draft a QB.  I could see this regime talking themselves into passing on a QB and focusing on other parts of the roster to build around an Alex Smith.  

 

My biggest issue with Alex Smith is that he runs a horizontal offense.  He works the 5-7 yard area better than any QB in the league but he also demonstrates a maddening unwillingness to throw it past the sticks on 3rd down.  He needs WRs who can separate and get YAC.  We have zero of those... I really don’t see the fit.  And if Shula is the OC it’s a horrible match.  Good luck running “seven-step drop and chuck it” with Alex Smith as your QB.

 

Hey I'm with you coach. I want Smith but only under the proviso that they draft a young quarterback this year! Smith is here to groom him for the future and to give a solid quarterbacking in the interim. Wouldn't it be great to actually have the ball leave the quarterback's hand before the break? I live to see the day!

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1 minute ago, PolishDave said:

 

I don't see that at all from Bevell.   But that is just my opinion.  I could be totally wrong.

 

 

I have a feeling that the NFL has seen the best play we are ever going to see out of Tyrod and it was in 2015 and 2016.    I think he is capable of much better play, but only if the coaches specifically design the offense around him.   I thought Dennison was the NFL's best chance to do that - and he didn't do it.   So, I say the Bills are better off moving on and going with a more traditional style of quarterback.  And I think that is exactly what they will do.    My guess is they get a QB whose strength is his arm talent and his brain - while also having a very strong work ethic.   Tyrod is only really strong in one of those traits (the work ethic).    IMHO they should and will move on.

 

Why would you think Dennison was “the NFL’s best chance” to design an offense around Tyrod?  Dennison is literally one of the least imaginative, most inflexible, tone deaf OC’s the NFL has ever seen.

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1 minute ago, Green Lightning said:

 

Hey I'm with you coach. I want Smith but only under the proviso that they draft a young quarterback this year! Smith is here to groom him for the future and to give a solid quarterbacking in the interim. Wouldn't it be great to actually have the ball leave the quarterback's hand before the break? I live to see the day!

Fans have wanted this for decades but yet OBD makes us think this is the year and boom doesn't happen.

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Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Why would you think Dennison was “the NFL’s best chance” to design an offense around Tyrod?  Dennison is literally one of the least imaginative, most inflexible, tone deaf OC’s the NFL has ever seen.

 

Dennison definitely had enough experience to know HOW to do it.   He already worked with Tyrod in the past, so he should have known his strengths and weaknesses before coming into Buffalo.

 

And yet he chose NOT to build the offense around Tyrod.        Roman kind of did - but his passing attack was weak by design.    Lynn may have (probably would have done it), but he will not be a coach here again while Tyrod is still on this team.     Dennison was the best chance for that to happen.    And for whatever reason, he chose NOT to do it.     

 

I am not entirely sure why Dennison chose NOT to do it.   But I think the chances of another guy doing it are even less now a year later after Tyrod's weak performance passing this year.

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8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

It makes me nervous how convinced the fans are that OBD intends to use an early pick on a QB this year.  What is the basis for that assumption?  

 

I am far more nervous of what Castillo's role is going to be in this offense next year.    Is he going to stay as offensive line coach?   Is he going to be promoted instead?    Neither one of those two things is good in my opinion.    I hope McDermott isn't keeping him employed as a coach because of some reason other than the guy's coaching ability.

 

The real "SAMMY WATKINS TRADE SHOCKER" sized move they make this offseason could be to promote Castillo to offensive coordinator.   Hasn't happened yet though, which is a good sign I guess.

 

This place would be throwing tomatoes.

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17 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

It makes me nervous how convinced the fans are that OBD intends to use an early pick on a QB this year.  What is the basis for that assumption?  

 

Beane's insistence that you need a franchise QB to succeed in this league. He gets it, I have no doubt about that.

 

Like I said in another thread, if the Bills want a franchise QB, this is the year to do it, and the reason is because they have the draft capital to do it. That QB can come from the draft, from FA, or through trade, although I highly doubt the latter. They may trade for Smith, but nobody (especially Beane) is under the illusion that Smith is a franchise QB. He would just be a caretaker.

 

That leaves FA or the draft. My sense is that Cousins is the only real franchise-level QB available in FA, and I would bet that Beane doesn't want to blow the cap on one guy when they have so many other holes to fill. But, given the amount of draft capital they have, it could be an option.

 

That leaves the draft, and with all the picks they have, this is the opportunity to get the person they want. Ideally the guy would fall to us at #21, but I don't see them wanting to risk that. They want a franchise QB, and they are going to do what it takes to get one. They have the picks to get what they want.

 

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37 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

It makes me nervous how convinced the fans are that OBD intends to use an early pick on a QB this year.  What is the basis for that assumption?  

IMO when McD was brought in many thought with having a QB like Cam and how they went all in on getting him that McD would want the same for the Bills, that he put QB at the top of the list of need/wants but no he drafted a late rounder and built other positions. We could end up with year two of the exact type of draft avoiding the position. RB in the first with maybe a CB with the second 1st?

 

Sadly IMO the assumption should be another year of Tyrod with OC#4 now being brought in and another late round QB drafted.

 Why? Sadly after so many years of the same groundhogs day at OBD it never changes. I just wish for the change we thought we were getting with him at HC with the QB position. Does this QB purgatory continue or do they pull the trigger, the assumption is yes but the history of OBD points to no. Maybe someday we will have a QB that teams don't laugh at being a QB, sadly I am starting to think this staff is not the one to make that happen. I hope I am incorrect I really do, I want a real pocket QB with talent. Maybe...fingers crossed once again wishing for better at QB.

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3 hours ago, sugashane69 said:

Bevell is my choice.  I'm ok with tyrod being at qb for a few reasons.......

1. I believe a OC like Bevell will definitely improve tyrods production which improves Buffalos production.

2. We have a chance in this draft to add a bunch of key pieces with our draft pics and maybe even shore up more for future.  Play in the positive not the negative!  So let's not give away 2 1st rounds this year and possibly another next or even a 2nd also on a crap shoot for the next Tom Brady.

3. TYROD hasn't had eye popping #s no but he does protect the ball.  He does throw a pretty ball to and can scramble. New OC (bevell)  and a solid off-season w Benjamin Jones Mathews Thompson clay n Oleary or mayne even throw in a new name with our 2 first rounders or possibly Mark Andrews TE from Oklahoma... in the 2nd round and it could be a whole different world next yr.

4. I guess this touches with last point with our draft stock.... 2 back to back picks we could go after a high motor pass rusher a stud DT and maybe even LB/cb.  Make that Defense one they all don't want to face.  Guys like Smith from Georgia n Evans from bama vita vea from Washington can move for a 300 pounder at DT and was always making plays.   I guess the bottom line for me is .... Lets not trade all of our picks when we clearly need a bunch of pieces. This draft if done right and I'm trusting the process(McDermott n Bean have made me a believer)  we could take a HUGE step in being serious perennial contenders. 

I want a QB that can score points.  Sure he can protect the ball, can he score points.  He's yet to do that in his three years here.  Even when we were a higher scoring team, it was mostly because of our number one ranked run game who scored half of the points.  Tyrod and his 23 touchdowns just don't cut it for me.  And I don't think he throws as pretty a ball as you claim.  He usually is off his mark even on completions.  I used to want him too, then I rewatched the games and saw the sad truth.  He is a blind bat on the field.

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9 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

IMO when McD was brought in many thought with having a QB like Cam and how they went all in on getting him that McD would want the same for the Bills, that he put QB at the top of the list of need/wants but no he drafted a late rounder and built other positions. We could end up with year two of the exact type of draft avoiding the position. RB in the first with maybe a CB with the second 1st?

 

Sadly IMO the assumption should be another year of Tyrod with OC#4 now being brought in and another late round QB drafted.

 Why? Sadly after so many years of the same groundhogs day at OBD it never changes. I just wish for the change we thought we were getting with him at HC with the QB position. Does this QB purgatory continue or do they pull the trigger, the assumption is yes but the history of OBD points to no. Maybe someday we will have a QB that teams don't laugh at being a QB, sadly I am starting to think this staff is not the one to make that happen.

 

 

how about waiting until after the draft and fa before assuming/proclaiming doom. I'm not trying to give you a hard time but you have been on a roll with the OC #4, McD's decision making, groundhogs day, QB purgatory, yada, yada, yada when the OC hasn't even been hired yet and the roster, including QB is not even set in stone yet. honestly, I think you're just wasting your time with the negative energy and chances are good it was all for naught. 

 

give it time man

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2 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

Well its not like I think TT is the answer.

 

I am just making an observation that if DB becomes the OC then there is a very real possibility that TT is the bridge QB to another mobile type QB.

So Bevell can only work with mobile QBs? And if so, Taylor is the only mobile QB in the NFL? I don't get the connection. 

 

Just because he HAS worked with Russell Wilson doesn't mean that is all he can work with. It in no way shape or form means we keep TT and draft only a mobile guy. The thing most people like to forget about Wilson is he is a QB that can occasionally run...not an athlete that can occasionally throw. 

 

The narrative on TT that he can be a stop gap is foolish. His greatest accomplishment is that he doesn't throw interceptions. Grand. He also leaves way too many plays that would keep a drive alive on the field... especially on 3rd downs. Just as bad as a turnover. 

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4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

how about waiting until after the draft and fa before assuming/proclaiming doom. I'm not trying to give you a hard time but you have been on a roll with the OC #4, McD's decision making, groundhogs day, QB purgatory, yada, yada, yada when the OC hasn't even been hired yet and the roster, including QB is not even set in stone yet. honestly, I think you're just wasting your time with the negative energy and chances are good it was all for naught. 

 

give it time man

I know man, I just am so worried about it. I guess seeing this could just go the same way all over again this off season drives me crazy. I will step back, thanks for being cool with me on my rants, I think I got it out of me for a few. 

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1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

No, because he's not end game. He would be there to school our new quarterback and in the interim give us solid quarterbacking with accuracy and anticipation with throws. Something we sorely lack. I think it'd be a great scenario.

So you haven't watched a bills game this year? What anticipation? What accuracy. I dont want Tyrod anywhere near the new guy.  He doesn't read defenses well, he doesn't have touch, what exactly os ot that people want him to teach the new guy. A mentor role is an insane concept for a 29 year old QB. A QB mentor is USUALLY  someone who had a long career and is on their way out. There is ZERO reason to leep Tyrod. he is familiar with notjing. Not the OC nor scheme. You only keep Tyrod if you want a QB competition because you genuinely dontlnow what he can do yet

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ANY thoughts of keeping TT is just a joke.  Dennison is taking the axe because TT is crappy QB.  If TT could come close to executing a play as designed, Dennison is still employed.  This is not a ringing endorsement of Dennison, but there's no one who can build a successful system around TT - it cannot be done and it's unfair to put an OC in the position of being stuck with the worst NFL QB in modern times.

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The stuff that Bevell was doing early in Wilson's career with the read options he really isn't doing much anymore. I think it's tough to type cast Bevell as a mobile quarterback guy just because he coached Russell Wilson. He literally coached one mobile guy in his 20 year career. It does show that he knows how to adjust his offense to the strengths of his players. 

 

 Tyrod Taylor is nothing like Wilson in that he simply doesn't have the same passing ability. Beane has said that the most important thing is having a quarterback who can win from inside the pocket. That is not, nor will ever be Taylor. 

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