Billsfan1972 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Great first half and then again a terrible second half. Dennison and McDermott seem clueless after halftime and refused to continue with what's working and what is a lopsided game turn it into a nail biter. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 lol prevent offense. they messed up after every timeout today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Started off ok in the 2nd half but then once they got the ball back up 24 to 6 on their 6 yard line, they played it way too conservative for my liking. Not to say they should be reckless but just throw in a play action here and there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackington Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 The run game was dead in the 2nd half... Hated the conservative calls, but they did win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Hope McDermott starts to see the merits of not taking the pedal off the metal. I'd like him to be more like Sean Payton in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I remember Dennis Miller using "Prevent Offense" to describe the scheme of some team that was getting clobbered during his brief tenure on MNF. He was pretty funny; too bad he became a neocon knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Its almost like they lose their playbooks in the 2nd half and figure they'll just run, run, run, punt and hope to squeak out a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Tyrod threw deep to Zay at least once, and threw deep to Clay on 4th down... Everyone is complaining about the conservative calls inside the 10 as if that was the whole half. It was not. Some things didn't work out. It happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 points in the second half. pretty piss poor and not going to get it done next week. fortunately the defense came up big a few times, bailed their ass out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said: Tyrod threw deep to Zay at least once, and threw deep to Clay on 4th down... Everyone is complaining about the conservative calls inside the 10 as if that was the whole half. It was not. Some things didn't work out. It happens. And hit Zay in the hands once again with no catch, according to announcer he has highest drop rate in NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Great first half and then again a terrible second half. Dennison and McDermott seem clueless after halftime and refused to continue with what's working and what is a lopsided game turn it into a nail biter. Most pro coaches get conservative in the second half when they have a big lead. It's not unusual and it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I don't think the rookie HC and his staff have learned how too go for the jugular. Solid first half then they coach not to lose. McD needs to go for it. His QB, running back. and TE were all playing really well in the first half. Then they bit the brakes it seemed in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Did the same against KC. But folks blame Tyrod for not putting up numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 Very hard to watch and hasn't improved all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Another hater. not happy with a win, not happy with meaningful football in week 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 When you are up multiple scores with a turnover prone QB, just eating the clock and making them go the entire length of the field makes sense. The worst thing we could have done was turn the ball over early in drives setting up Miami deep in our own end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said: Tyrod threw deep to Zay at least once, and threw deep to Clay on 4th down... Everyone is complaining about the conservative calls inside the 10 as if that was the whole half. It was not. Some things didn't work out. It happens. Yep. Zay had a bad drop and Tyrod missed Clay deep. If either of those plays work out the perception is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: Hope McDermott starts to see the merits of not taking the pedal off the metal. I'd like him to be more like Sean Payton in that regard. Payton does have the luxury of a hall of fame QB that McDermott does not have, that's the difference. Gotta have a guy you can completely trust throwing the ball. McDermott clearly doesn't trust Tyrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said: Payton does have the luxury of a hall of fame QB that McDermott does not have, that's the difference. Gotta have a guy you can completely trust throwing the ball. McDermott clearly doesn't trust Tyrod Good point. Hope McDermott gets his guy this offseason; FA, draft or both 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Zay had a bad drop and Tyrod missed Clay deep. If either of those plays work out the perception is different. They did indeed take shots in the 2nd half. Zay has to make that play as we've said a few times this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Good point. Hope McDermott gets his guy this offseason; FA, draft or both To me, that is the sole reason he and Dennison aren't more aggressive in their playcalling. We can whine all we want but Tyrod isn't exactly a consistent passer and doesn't seem to feel comfortable throwing into tight windows ever. Hence Benjamin's lack of targets with Tyrod as QB. Once they bring in their QB, I can justify bashing their conservative playcalling. Whenever I see someone screaming for us to pass and be more aggressive all I see is Tyrod's pick at the goalline against the Pats... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: To me, that is the sole reason he and Dennison aren't more aggressive in their playcalling. We can whine all we want but Tyrod isn't exactly a consistent passer and doesn't seem to feel comfortable throwing into tight windows ever. Hence Benjamin's lack of targets with Tyrod as QB. Once they bring in their QB, I can justify bashing their conservative playcalling. Whenever I see someone screaming for us to pass and be more aggressive all I see is Tyrod's pick at the goalline against the Pats... Really???? Tyrod's one lousy int vs. NE and that is the reason to turtle every second half this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Really???? Tyrod's one lousy int vs. NE and that is the reason to turtle every second half this year? Haha no that's not the only pass. He's clearly not comfortable passing the ball into tight coverage. If he was comfortable, he'd pass to Benjamin more. He's 6'5"...all you have to do is throw it up to him like Peterman did in the Indy game. He doesn't show any aggression when passing. He seemed to hesitant to throw an open screen pass today and decided to take a sack today instead. He just doesn't show much confidence to throw the ball down the field. It's not like all of these play calls have guys doing routes within two yards...he just decides to dump down to the open running back instead of taking a chance down the field. He did a better job today but he hasn't been aggressive all year. You can blame Dennison all you want but he does call passing plays where receivers go down the field. He doesn't have a lot of INTs because he doesn't attempt to throw into tight windows and be aggressive. Tyrod certainly doesn't make one confident in throwing the ball in all situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I actually thought they were a little more aggressive than usual in the third quarter, looking for the knockout punch with several deep throws and going for the 4th down. Execution just want there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 81, 75 & 80 yard drives in the first half 21 points. Second half..... The Bills get two interceptions, drive starts at the 42, Maimi's 23, 32 & 33 yard lines and generate 3 points..... This team is so hard to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 OP is dead wrong, see: Falcons Super Bowl. That's how you put a team away when up 3 scores in the late 3rd. Only issue I have at all with playcalling is the 3rd down and 2 from the Miami 30 that should have definitely been a a run but a FORWARD run - FG was in hand - but Shady got tackled 5 yds behind the line cuz everyone in the stadium knew .. Go TT sneak there. FWD or zero. Other than that playcall - perfect once Bills went up 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Ha - prevent offense! Yes, that's their mo this season but it has worked to get some wins. Get the lead and milk it in the second half and rely on the defense and the other team to make mistakes. I hate not being aggressive all the way through but with this offense i can see why McDermott goes with this philosophy. But if we fall behind in any game - forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: 3 points in the second half. pretty piss poor and not going to get it done next week. fortunately the defense came up big a few times, bailed their ass out. Especially when your defense came up with two turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) They did opt not to try a field goal twice from 54 yards. The D stood tall, very happy for the win today. 1st half of the game was sexy as hell. Let's build off that for the Pats. Edited December 18, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, moshermw said: OP is dead wrong, see: Falcons Super Bowl. That's how you put a team away when up 3 scores in the late 3rd. Only issue I have at all with playcalling is the 3rd down and 2 from the Miami 30 that should have definitely been a a run but a FORWARD run - FG was in hand - but Shady got tackled 5 yds behind the line cuz everyone in the stadium knew .. Go TT sneak there. FWD or zero. Other than that playcall - perfect once Bills went up 18. Got to have a happy medium. Falcons went way too aggressive but Bills today went way too conservative. Could have used a few more play actions late in the third/4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 59 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: 81, 75 & 80 yard drives in the first half 21 points. Second half..... The Bills get two interceptions, drive starts at the 42, Maimi's 23, 32 & 33 yard lines and generate 3 points..... This team is so hard to watch. Also, I was surprised that they did not bring on Webb on those 3rd and 1 and 4th downs...Getting him, Tyrod and McCoy on the field would have got us the needed one yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 hours ago, xsoldier54 said: Most pro coaches get conservative in the second half when they have a big lead. It's not unusual and it worked. Belichick doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Got to have a happy medium. Falcons went way too aggressive but Bills today went way too conservative. Could have used a few more play actions late in the third/4th No doubt. But stuck to the run and plays that stay inbounds and kept the clock moving. There were a couple opportunities for some jugular plays - and McD took em - safely. Instead every other one was a tiny jugular play ... Luvd watching The Fish and Cutler implode and suffocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, moshermw said: No doubt. But stuck to the run and plays that stay inbounds and kept the clock moving. There were a couple opportunities for some jugular plays - and McD took em - safely. Instead every other one was a tiny jugular play ... Luvd watching The Fish and Cutler implode and suffocate. Ya agreed. I would have liked to see the Bills use more play clock though, especially given the conservative approach they were using. Too many times they snapped it with 10-25 seconds left. Those seconds add up. Edited December 18, 2017 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, ganesh said: Also, I was surprised that they did not bring on Webb on those 3rd and 1 and 4th downs...Getting him, Tyrod and McCoy on the field would have got us the needed one yard. ANY play that goes FWD would ahve been cool on that 3 rd and 2. Personally happy we got a FS and PF penalty on that 4th and 1 at the 1 to force McD to kick to go up 18. Always take points that lead to another required possession. Especially late. 4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Ya agreed. I would have liked to see the Bills use more play clock though, especially given the conservative approach they were using. Too many times they snapped it with 10-25 seconds left. Those seconds add up. Agree. Brutal at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 This coaching staff needs to be reminded a NFL game is 60 minutes. You can't come out in the 3rd Quarter and try and sit on the lead the 2nd half. Today it almost bit the Bills in the rear end with Preston Brown fielding a on side kick. Even our TEs and WRs can catch the ball better than a LB.And our prevent D near the end did not prevent anything. Game was a closer than it had to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Foreigner said: This coaching staff needs to be reminded a NFL game is 60 minutes. You can't come out in the 3rd Quarter and try and sit on the lead the 2nd half. Today it almost bit the Bills in the rear end with Preston Brown fielding a on side kick. Even our TEs and WRs can catch the ball better than a LB.And our prevent D near the end did not prevent anything. Game was a closer than it had to be. I counted 5 cliches in 1 paragraph. Well done. You coach differently at different times of the game. Jones catches his pass or Clay catches the screen that had blockers in front and the game isn't close. I don't agree with every play call, but nothing major wrong that I could see. Brown was likely there to block, he shouldn't have tried to field the ball, his mistake. Edited December 18, 2017 by klos63 correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 6 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Hope McDermott starts to see the merits of not taking the pedal off the metal. I'd like him to be more like Sean Payton in that regard. I agree with this completely. I'm not saying he should pull a Pete Carroll and fake punt up a ton of points, but a good number of our wins this year were a few plays from being losses when they didn't need to be. This game and KC come to mind. The strategy of getting up by a score or two and then running a pop warner offense to chew the clock can certainly win games, but it lets the other team stick around when we should be going for the knockout. Up 3 or 4 tds in the 2nd half and I'm cool with the run run pass punt, not up one score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Playing not to win but not to lose doesn't cut it, because the point is this coaching staff needs to be reminded a NFL game is 60 minutes. This is not the first time this year they tried to sit on the lead. The so called prevent D didn't prevent anything. And whose idea was it to have a LB trying to catch a on side kick. You mean no one thinks a WR or TE can catch the ball better than Preston Brown. This game was a lot closer than it had to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 hours ago, Buffalo30 said: To me, that is the sole reason he and Dennison aren't more aggressive in their playcalling. We can whine all we want but Tyrod isn't exactly a consistent passer and doesn't seem to feel comfortable throwing into tight windows ever. Hence Benjamin's lack of targets with Tyrod as QB. Once they bring in their QB, I can justify bashing their conservative playcalling. Whenever I see someone screaming for us to pass and be more aggressive all I see is Tyrod's pick at the goalline against the Pats... If you want to criticize Tyrod, turnovers and lack of trust in poor decision making is not warranted. Over the last 3 seasons he has a top 5 turnover/td ratio for a QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts