12-11: McDermott and Coordinator Pressers

[Magox]

28 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

Because we have won despite the decisions....the decisions have not helped us win 

 

They wanted to pin them down inside their 15 on the punt, planned on stopping them to get the ball back, drive down to hopefully score and win.   And the fact that it did indeed work out just the way they had hoped was not part of their decision??

 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

I haven't heard anyone mention this, however this is the only reason I could think of that would (maybe) make the punt a good idea...

 

It's 4th and 1 at the 40. A punt will push the ball 30 yards down the field to the 10. There is not much time left and the Colts sucks, so was McD thinking that the Colts were in 4 down territory? The hope may have been that the Bills gain 30 yards in field position and 4 plays later have the ball deep in Colts territory when the Colts fail to get the 1st on 4th and whatever.

 

 

[THEHARDTRUTH]

5 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I could see the team persuing DT Donald or Latulelielieleile

 

W-L totals when taking into account the roster, plus additional off-field moves. Meaningful games in December, with a legitimate shot at the playoffs?

 

Sorry that you're a bitter !@#$wit, but those are factual things that are measurable.

 

And your a koolaid sipping clown who revels in the average. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, THEHARDTRUTH said:

And your a koolaid sipping clown who revels in the average. 

 

Obviously you haven't been here too long. I suggest you perform a simple search before you spout. It'll make you look like less of an ass.

 

[transplantbillsfan]

47 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And he would make that punt again

 

Oy 

46 minutes ago, Cash said:

Listening to his response to "were you aware of the playoff implications of a tie" and yikes - this guy thinks he's the smartest man who's ever lived.

 

What exactly did he say?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

lessons on copy/paste. priceless

[Bangarang]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

McD: “I enjoy making bad decisions.”

[THEHARDTRUTH]

You got me. Quick now! Sign in as somebody else and tell us how your one of the most respected posters on this board. Maybe you can provide some made up factual analysis to support that.

[2003Contenders]

2 minutes ago, garybusey said:

I haven't heard anyone mention this, however this is the only reason I could think of that would (maybe) make the punt a good idea...

 

It's 4th and 1 at the 40. A punt will push the ball 30 yards down the field to the 10. There is not much time left and the Colts sucks, so was McD thinking that the Colts were in 4 down territory? The hope may have been that the Bills gain 30 yards in field position and 4 plays later have the ball deep in Colts territory when the Colts fail to get the 1st on 4th and whatever.

 

 

 

As McD said there were multiple variables to consider:

 

-- The severe weather conditions

-- The impact of going for it on 4th down and NOT making it

-- Having an emergency QB behind center

-- The fact that the Colts were (I believe) 3 of 16 on 3rd down for the game

-- The opposing QB was J. Brissett (and not Andrew Luck, for example)

-- The fact that other than the game tying, 10-minute drive, the Colts offense had been unable to move the ball all game long

-- Tendencies that Chuck P. and the rest of the opposing staff presented

-- Chances of the Colts driving the distance of the field to win (or even converting multiple first downs to secure a tie) versus chances of the defense to stop them and get the ball back

 

And more...

 

 

[Roundybout]

10 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

And your a koolaid sipping clown who revels in the average. 

 

Trust me dude. Joe doesn't come CLOSE to "reveling" in the average

[transplantbillsfan]

29 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

Just because you obtain a good result doesn't mean all the decisions involved are good decisions.  I would argue that Brisett throwing behind a wide open ty Hilton played a bigger role in us winning than McDermott deciding to punt

 

This is what's head-bangingly frustrating about some of these conversations regarding McDermott's in-game decision making.

 

It's like: "We won, so he obviously made the right decision."

 

 

Yeah, and I was gonna be late for work the other day so I decided to drive 20 MPH over the speed limit to make it to work on time.

 

I got to work on time and didn't get pulled over.  That doesn't mean I won't get pulled over and pay a massive price next time.

 

 

 

Overall, McDermott is a really good coach.  I like him a lot.  He's brought in a clear culture change that's affected this team.  That doesn't mean he's untouchable with his in-game overly conservative decision making even in wins. 

[PaattMaann]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

This is what's head-bangingly frustrating about some of these conversations regarding McDermott's in-game decision making.

 

It's like: "We won, so he obviously made the right decision."

 

 

Yeah, and I was gonna be late for work the other day so I decided to drive 20 MPH over the speed limit to make it to work on time.

 

I got to work on time and didn't get pulled over.  That doesn't mean I won't get pulled over and pay a massive price next time.

 

 

 

Overall, McDermott is a really good coach.  I like him a lot.  He's brought in a clear culture change that's affected this team.  That doesn't mean he's untouchable with his in-game overly conservative decision making even in wins. 

 

I agree....McD is bordering on "sucks" when it comes to in game decision making. For a guy who constantly totes the line "look to get better at everything every week", he sure has not learned to be better with his decision making 

 

 

the challenge last week was the worst challenge I have ever seen in my life...what was he trying to challenge? did he honestly think a flag could be thrown after review???

constant waste of timeouts all year 

the punt 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2017 by PaattMaann

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

55 minutes ago, JPP said:

This bozo wastes a timeout cause he wanted to make sure the staff were "okay" with the punt......if im reading that correctly than yikers this guy is a moron!

 

I thought maybe to clear out snow to make sure it was a clean snap and punt.

[Royale with Cheese]

Tasker is on WGR and said he was next to Peterman when he was coming off of the field and said he was unstable walking off the field.

I'm not a Neurologist but does that sound like a pretty bad concussion?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

This is what's head-bangingly frustrating about some of these conversations regarding McDermott's in-game decision making.

 

It's like: "We won, so he obviously made the right decision."

 

 

Yeah, and I was gonna be late for work the other day so I decided to drive 20 MPH over the speed limit to make it to work on time.

 

I got to work on time and didn't get pulled over.  That doesn't mean I won't get pulled over and pay a massive price next time.

 

 

 

Overall, McDermott is a really good coach.  I like him a lot.  He's brought in a clear culture change that's affected this team.  That doesn't mean he's untouchable with his in-game overly conservative decision making even in wins. 

 

 

he's still learning. if he were still making questionable decisions in his third year then I'd be calling for his head. since he's a rookie he will make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. I too questioned his decision to punt but then after it was all said and done it looked more like to me that he had confidence in his defense to make the stop and get the ball back which is what happened.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Tasker is on WGR and said he was next to Peterman when he was coming off of the field and said he was unstable walking off the field.

I'm not a Neurologist but does that sound like a pretty bad concussion?

 

sounds like he got his bell rung. he'll be fine but needs to take this as a serious lesson. slide son, slide.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

he's still learning. if he were still making questionable decisions in his third year then I'd be calling for his head. since he's a rookie he will make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. I too questioned his decision to punt but then after it was all said and done it looked more like to me that he had confidence in his defense to make the stop and get the ball back which is what happened.

 

 

 

sounds like he got his bell rung. he'll be fine but needs to take this as a serious lesson. slide son, slide.

 

Are you surprised to find out that I wasn't a Neurologist?

[26CornerBlitz]

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12-11: Sean McDermott (16:18)

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Tasker is on WGR and said he was next to Peterman when he was coming off of the field and said he was unstable walking off the field.

I'm not a Neurologist but does that sound like a pretty bad concussion?

You try walking in a foot of snow while seeing stars 

Bills coach Sean McDermott said Monday that Tyrod Taylor (knee) remains day-to-day approaching next Sunday's game against the Dolphins.

 

McDermott also said Nathan Peterman remains in the concussion protocol. If both are healthy, McDermott said Taylor will be the starter.

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Are you surprised to find out that I wasn't a Neurologist?

no.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, teef said:

no.

 

I wasn't asking you Shawon.

[THEHARDTRUTH]

17 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Trust me dude. Joe doesn't come CLOSE to "reveling" in the average

Hi Joe. Ill bet youve got ten or fifteen other alter egos. Make sure you use them all against me. That way youll really put me in my place. Still waiting for that factual poll that shows the vast majority think this is a successful year. Tic toc. Tic toc.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Are you surprised to find out that I wasn't a Neurologist?

 

I'm not either but it didn't look as bad as savages hit and they (like idiots) kept him in the game. no doubt the kid got his clock rocked and I hope it was no worse then that and at least the bills have a much smarter staff than the texans.

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Hi Joe. Ill bet youve got ten or fifteen other alter egos. Make sure you use them all against me. That way youll really put me in my place. Still waiting for that factual poll that shows the vast majority think this is a successful year. Tic toc. Tic toc.

 

Im deeply insulted, sir.

[fergie's ire]

13 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

he's still learning. if he were still making questionable decisions in his third year then I'd be calling for his head. since he's a rookie he will make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. I too questioned his decision to punt but then after it was all said and done it looked more like to me that he had confidence in his defense to make the stop and get the ball back which is what happened.

 

 

 

Trusting the defense to get the ball back was not the issue to me.  To me, the question is, given who was under center, what is more likely: That he gets one yard on the next play and continues a drive for a score with four minutes left....or that he is able to engineer a drive in under two minutes, probably from his own side of the field?  They clearly did not trust Webb to pass....so the plan to win the game was to have him to make a last minute game winning drive?  Sure, he had a 34 yard completion...in the snow...to a player who was falling down...and that was the plan?  Does not sound like a consistently winning formula.

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

4 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

 

Trusting the defense to get the ball back was not the issue to me.  To me, the question is, given who was under center, what is more likely: That he gets one yard on the next play and continues a drive for a score with four minutes left....or that he is able to engineer a drive in under two minutes, probably from his own side of the field?  They clearly did not trust Webb to pass....so the plan to win the game was to have him to make a last minute game winning drive?  Sure, he had a 34 yard completion...in the snow...to a player who was falling down...and that was the plan?  Does not sound like a consistently winning formula.

 

he

is

still

learning

a rookie HC

 

let that sink in.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

44 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

You got me. Quick now! Sign in as somebody else and tell us how your one of the most respected posters on this board. Maybe you can provide some made up factual analysis to support that.

 

Couple things, toolbox:

 

1) I don't do alts. No need. I own munchkins like you.

 

2) Feel free to quote the post where I cited some mythical survey.

 

3) If you think I care about whether or not I'm one of the most respected posters on this board, you're a lead-eating, window-licking mongoloid.

 

 

[sleeby]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

That's not the totality.

Exceeding the win total while:

 

-Cutting dead/injured/expensive weight

-Changing team culture

-Acquiring a metric !@#$ton of picks

 

Is a successful season as judged by all but the most entrenched negative persons.

 

Also agree.  Well stated.  Hardtruth - you thought this was to be our year?!  We just suffered two years of Ryan clowns and went into the season with the worst WR corps maybe ever plus a QB controversy involving only one QB!  Ha.   This year has been very promising save for that half a game when N8 imploded by refusing to be sacked.

Much to do yet but the culture has changed, many of the ass clowns are already gone  and we have tons of picks coming up.  Will next year be our year?? Nope.  But maybe three years from now if they keep up the progress and perform well in the draft.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Nineforty]

Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

he

is

still

learning

a rookie HC

 

let that sink in.

I like mcd but sounds like he is using confirmation bias and in fact not learning from mistakes if he would make same choice again.

 

Again as someone said, bigger picture is important, more important in fact, which is why I like mcd... But it is correct to worry about his in game decision making skills thus far. I'm not calling for riverboat Ron with our current roster but I do expect better than punting in that spot. And wasting a timeout. Someone was lobbying to go for it.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

the rookie HC has a bad team in the verge of the WC 

 

what more, realistically do you people want?  

8-8 would be impressive enough 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

he

is

still

learning

a rookie HC

 

let that sink in.

 

I appreciate his HC experience.

My question would be in a similar game decision this week against Miami what would he do.

Has he "learned" what the difference between a win/tie/loss is for our playoff situation?

If they play for a tie this week I would be upset.

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

the rookie HC has a bad team in the verge of the WC 

 

what more, realistically do you people want?  

8-8 would be impressive enough 

 

8-7-1 would be impressive.

9-7 and a playoff berth would be much better.

 

Isn't step 1 of every team in the NFL getting to the playoffs?

[teef]

35 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I wasn't asking you Shawon.

it's spelled sean.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[section122]

1 hour ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

And your a koolaid sipping clown who revels in the average. 

 

Joe is a lot of things but a kool aid sipper is not one of them .  A Kool aid pisser maybe

 

3 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

I like mcd but sounds like he is using confirmation bias and in fact not learning from mistakes if he would make same choice again.

 

Again as someone said, bigger picture is important, more important in fact, which is why I like mcd... But it is correct to worry about his in game decision making skills thus far. I'm not calling for riverboat Ron with our current roster but I do expect better than punting in that spot. And wasting a timeout. Someone was lobbying to go for it.

 

 

I hated the call and think it was a terrible decision.  I can admit thought that it worked out and I do see his reasoning.  I'm glad he had reasoning behind it instead of just "the numbers dictated it" nonsense.  Hard to argue the result even if I didn't like the call.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

it's spelled sean.

 

I like Shawon better.  Does my preference matter at all in this or is this a one sided relationship?

[SWATeam]

7 minutes ago, section122 said:

 Hard to argue the result even if I didn't like the call.

Apparently it's not

[Sig1Hunter]

1 hour ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

And your a koolaid sipping clown who revels in the average. 

This post made be (literally) laugh out loud.  I remember reading JSPs posts from when I first joined. I always thought "damn, this guy needs to smile once in a while and stop being so bitter and such a negative Nancy".

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

This post made be (literally) laugh out loud.  I remember reading JSPs posts from when I first joined. I always thought "damn, this guy needs to smile once in a while and stop being so bitter and such a negative Nancy".

Indeed.

 

I felt for almost the entirety of the drought that the Bills had no plan, just a succession of duct tapings and bandaids. Whether anyone likes it or not, this team HAS a direction, finally. I happen to like it, since it's all I've really asked for for a LONG time.

 

I'll cut the mentally-deficient newbie some slack. Maybe he doesn't know how to use search.

 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

Knowing that you're playing against Brissett, and not Brady, is part of the decision.  Inaccurate throws were not unforeseeable...

 

agreed.  I have to think if we are playing a better offense we go for it.  (at least I hope, otherwise that call was crazy).  Still was not a fan of it, but happy it worked!