Peterman - Bad Passes vs. Catchable Passes

[CircleTheWagons99]

Just now, klos63 said:

I'm not bashing Peterman at all, actually bashing you a bit. How can you have any credibility in assessing QB play if you totally excuse 5 INT's= that's my only point. I hope Peterman does well when he plays, I hope Taylor does well when he plays. When TT plays poorly, I'll say it.

Learn to read. 

[klos63]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Who is ignoring what?  That was weeks ago.  It was a rookie's first start in which his line didn't do **** and his best receiver went out in the first quarter.  Let it go, dude.

I know it was his first start, I don't hold it against him, just thought it was a pretty ridiculous comment to say he hasn't made a bad throw yet.

[CircleTheWagons99]

Just now, klos63 said:

I know it was his first start, I don't hold it against him, just thought it was a pretty ridiculous comment to say he hasn't made a bad throw yet.

And who said he hasent made a bad throw?

[klos63]

1 minute ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Learn to read. 

To date I have seen no problem with accuracy, catchable balls - if you meant catchable by the Chargers D, I apologize.

[CircleTheWagons99]

Just now, klos63 said:

To date I have seen no problem with accuracy, catchable balls - if you meant catchable by the Chargers D, I apologize.

Again learn to read. I did not post that. 

[klos63]

1 minute ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

And who said he hasent made a bad throw?

maybe you should explain this comment :  To date I have seen no problem with accuracy, catchable balls

[CircleTheWagons99]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

maybe you should explain this comment :  To date I have seen no problem with accuracy, catchable balls

Again, I did not make that comment. Learn to read properly.   I made a comment against your comment. Never was defending the OPs comments. 

Edited December 11, 2017 by CircleTheWagons99

[hemma]

He played pretty well today, so by all means, let's take some time to piss and moan about the Chargers game.

[Rob's House]

12 minutes ago, klos63 said:

It's obviously very early in his career and hoping he'll improve with each outing, but come on, he threw 5 INT's in 1 half. You can't just ignore that in his assessment to this point.

Eh, it's a bad outing by a rookie making his first start against what we now know is a dominant defense. Favre and Manning had 6 INT outings and that's when they were considered top 3 QBs in the league.

 

That same defense shut down Kirk Cousins today. Speaking of Cousins, I remember a 5 INT game by him in one of his first starts. Many Bills fans mocked those who thought he was a viable alternative to EJ Manwell after that outing. Now he's making roughly 25x what EJ is.

 

I'm not necessarily saying that Peterman will ever be on the level of those guys, but rather, I'm just saying you should never put too much stock in the performance of a guy in one half of a football game.

[klos63]

1 minute ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Again learn to read. I did not post that. 

I stand corrected , you didn't write that, but you defended it  by responding to my comment, I went on with the thread talking with you assuming you wrote the initial comment.

[CircleTheWagons99]

Just now, klos63 said:

I stand corrected , you didn't write that, but you defended it  by responding to my comment, I went on with the thread talking with you assuming you wrote the initial comment.

No, im defending the rookie trying to win games for this team. 

[PolishDave]

If I hadn't watched the games myself and just read this thread, I would come away with the impression that Peterman is possibly the most accurate quarterback ever.  

 

Good lord.

 

The Bills still need a QB.  One who can start.

[klos63]

4 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Again, I did not make that comment. Learn to read properly.   I made a comment against your comment. Never was defending the OPs comments. 

F U  with the learn to read comment too.

[CircleTheWagons99]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

F U  with the learn to read comment too.

You came after me first bro.... and you did misread it lol.... but we cool.  I understand you think you were responding to the OP

Edited December 11, 2017 by CircleTheWagons99

[Cruiserplayer]

4 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I stand corrected , you didn't write that, but you defended it  by responding to my comment, I went on with the thread talking with you assuming you wrote the initial comment.

I wrote it. I didn’t say he was the next coming, or his anticipation was flawless, or he had the  best pocket awareness. I said his accuracy and zip have not been a problem. 

[Wily Dog]

13 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Again. I dont get these posters. Nate is a rookie, rookies make mistakes. Atleast his mistakes are not all on him and he is trying to do what a QB needs to do and throw the ball. I guess watching TT for 3 years has people scarred of throwing the ball and must love 3 and outs. Peterman may not pan out, probably wont, but all this bashing on a rookie making his first start is just stupid. And in the snow how many picks did he throw? I saw predictions that he would have at leadt 3 in the first half, how did that work out?

 

Amen ! Do the TT posters have blinders on or didn't they watch the Chargers game. The picks wee NOT all Peterman's fault.

[BillsfanAZ]

55 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I'm not bashing Peterman at all, actually bashing you a bit. How can you have any credibility in assessing QB play if you totally excuse 5 INT's= that's my only point. I hope Peterman does well when he plays, I hope Taylor does well when he plays. When TT plays poorly, I'll say it.

How come you over look that 3 of the 5 INT's were not really his fault?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 hours ago, ticketssince61 said:

Last week versus New England     Tyrod        was 9 of 18 for 65 yards 0 TD and 1 INT

 Today in miserable conditions      Peterman was 5 of 10 for 57 yards 1 TD and 0 INT

 

Peterman's stats were actually better than TT's

to reiterate -    4 of those were on the hands of his receivers.  

Rating of 100.8

[Go-Bills]

I see improvement in PETERMAN every time he takes the field, imo has all the tools we need. I am not concerned about the playoffs this year. I would like to develop Peterman and maximize our draft choices and yes still take a quarterback as high as we can without giving up the farm.

[Magox]

He looked pretty good.   Most of his passes hit the receivers in the hands, the pass to clay was a little high and a little behind.   The two passes to Benjamin were beautiful and just the kind of passes you'd hope our QB's would throw to him.   Allow your true physical #1 to go up and get after it.

 

I hope he comes out of concussion protocol soon and starts next week for us.

[Gugny]

I appreciate everyone's feedback about Peterman's passes yesterday.

 

From the sounds of it, he threw accurately on most of his attempts, but the balls simply weren't caught - understandably so, with the weather conditions.

 

I think this is a great sign for Peterman and I hope he's cleared soon so he can start the remainder of the Bills' games.

 

Thanks again, everyone.

 

Go Bills!

 

[Ramza86]

The throws were ok. He did a great job with the back shoulder to Kelvin

[grb]

13 hours ago, ticketssince61 said:

Last week versus New England     Tyrod        was 9 of 18 for 65 yards 0 TD and 1 INT

 Today in miserable conditions      Peterman was 5 of 10 for 57 yards 1 TD and 0 INT

 

Peterman's stats were actually better than TT's

 

Look, you don't like Taylor - Fine.

But you don't have to be such a weasel about it.

For instance,  lets re-write your little catechism above and do away with the fudging.  

 

Last week versus New England   :  Tyrod was 9 of 18 for 65 yards 0 TD and 1 INT

Last week versus New England   :    Nate was 6 of 15 for 50 yards 0 TD and 0 INT

 

Imagine that - an entirely different story! The Cult of Peterman has much to teach Taylor fans about the art of excuses and how to use selective statistics

[SaviorPeterman]

14 hours ago, Gugny said:

I had to listen to the game on the radio today.

 

My question is specific to the "catchability" of Peterman's passes.  It sounded like a good percentage of his incompletions could have been caught.

 

This isn't meant to be a criticism to the receivers.  I simply would like to know if he threw good passes.  Obviously, with the weather they were enjoying, nothing was easy.

 

Thank you.

 

For all the talk of NP having a 'weak arm', all he seems to do is launch rockets which is why all our WR and TE seem to drop so many perfectly throw passes because they simply aren't used to it given TT's inaccuracy and not looking their direction.

 

This is why the only remote chance this team has of making the playoffs is sticking with NP the rest of the season if he's healthy and available.

[Mrbojanglezs]

Only 1 pass was little high all others were right on Benjamin's hands and he dropped

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

For all the talk of NP having a 'weak arm', all he seems to do is launch rockets which is why all our WR and TE seem to drop so many perfectly throw passes because they simply aren't used to it given TT's inaccuracy and not looking their direction.

 

This is why the only remote chance this team has of making the playoffs is sticking with NP the rest of the season if he's healthy and available.

 

Do you write Kim Jung Un's press releases too?  He shot an 18 at Augusta as well, right?

 

Look, the Chargers had no problem catching the passes he threw right at them.

 

Hiyooo!

 

 

[SaviorPeterman]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Do you write Kim Jung Un's press releases too?  He shot an 18 at Augusta as well, right?

 

Look, the Chargers had no problem catching the passes he threw right at them.

 

Hiyooo!

 

 

 

Have you watched the Chargers play recently, did you see what they also did to Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins (both QB's most Bills fans would take in a heatbeat)

 

All I'm saying is that in hindsight his debut may not be so bad although and this kid was a gamer yesterday in some of the worst conditions any NFL game has ever been played in.

[PromoTheRobot]

14 hours ago, Gugny said:

I had to listen to the game on the radio today.

 

My question is specific to the "catchability" of Peterman's passes.  It sounded like a good percentage of his incompletions could have been caught.

 

This isn't meant to be a criticism to the receivers.  I simply would like to know if he threw good passes.  Obviously, with the weather they were enjoying, nothing was easy.

 

Thank you.

 

Every pass by Peterman hit the receivers in the hands. Might have still been a tough catch but he hit them on the hands. I thought he played exceptionally well in bad conditions.

Edited December 11, 2017 by PromoTheRobot

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

Have you watched the Chargers play recently, did you see what they also did to Dak Prescott and Kirk Cousins (both QB's most Bills fans would take in a heatbeat)

 

All I'm saying is that in hindsight his debut may not be so bad although and this kid was a gamer yesterday in some of the worst conditions any NFL game has ever been played in.

 

So was Jacoby Brissett.  Big deal.  That game was all about the run--400 yards combined for both teams.  Otherwise, a punt fest.

[SaviorPeterman]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

So was Jacoby Brissett.  Big deal.  That game was all about the run--400 yards combined for both teams.  Otherwise, a punt fest.

 

If NP didn't leave the game in the 3rd quarter doubt it would have come down to overtime and needing a miracle to win the game.

 

We all need to embrace NP as the starter the rest of this season and beyond. Because I still think chances are slim we going to land a blue chip QB in next years draft. We very well may draft another one but won't be until 2nd rounder or later to compete with NP.

[ddaryl]

He looked more comfortable playing.. But Hard to judge overall.. If he makes a mistake or 2 does the wheels come off like his 1st outing

 

Overall it was a thumbs up effort for NP.. wish he finshed that game

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

If NP didn't leave the game in the 3rd quarter doubt it would have come down to overtime and needing a miracle to win the game.

 

We all need to embrace NP as the starter the rest of this season and beyond. Because I still think chances are slim we going to land a blue chip QB in next years draft. We very well may draft another one but won't be until 2nd rounder or later to compete with NP.

 

They punted the ball 5 times with Peterman in there.  And turned it over once on downs.

 

I know you're all in but...don't point to this game.

[Jauronimo]

Peterman was accurate but I think he has a tendency to throw a little too high with more zip on the ball than is necessary.  He and our WRs could benefit from more touch in his game. 

[LABILLBACKER]

15 hours ago, Woodman19 said:

He had one that was a little high that wasn't caught and a few others I can understand the receivers dropping with how crap the visibility was but he could have had 2-3 more completions.

The one to Clay that was a little high was also very catchable and went right thru his hands. Similar to Zay's drop in Carolina. Let's not kid ourselves,  our wr's have had a higher than avg percentage of drops. Dimarco's drop pick 6 started the day off just peachy for Nate in Compton. Our wr's have to do a better job, especially early in a game.

Edited December 11, 2017 by LABILLBACKER

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

there was on bad pass when this guy showed up 

 

[Cash]

I was late to the game, so I missed the first drive and maybe the second as well.  Just about every pass I saw was what I'd call bad but catchable.  I.e., poorly placed, but close enough that the receiver could still get his hands on it to make a medium-to-hard catch.  In normal conditions, I'd fault the receiver at that point.  In those conditions, no fault on either end.

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, Gugny said:

I had to listen to the game on the radio today.

 

My question is specific to the "catchability" of Peterman's passes.  It sounded like a good percentage of his incompletions could have been caught.

 

This isn't meant to be a criticism to the receivers.  I simply would like to know if he threw good passes.  Obviously, with the weather they were enjoying, nothing was easy.

 

Thank you.

 

My biggest issue with some of Petermans passes is they are slow to get there some times.  I know he can zip it enough to get them there, but he's often throwing the pass to soft or weak and either puts the ball in a harder place to catch because of it or allows the defender to close and have a shot of making a play on the ball.  

 

Even some of his completed passes should have had more zip on them.  This is my biggest concern with him right now.  And I am not saying he can't do it, just saying he isn't doing it enough.  Ive seen him fire one in, but he's lobbing too many that should have had more zip to hit the open WR.  I particularly hate it when he does on outside routes, thats very dangerous territory to float a pass to.

Edited December 11, 2017 by Alphadawg7