GreggTX Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Shaq doesn't look at all like a 1st round pick at this point. Some points to consider. 1. He is still less than 25 games into his NFL career. 2. What could we get for him? Would it be worth it? 3. Is he worth the money we're paying him now (disregarding present injury) or should we just move him and free up cap space that might be better spent? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Doubt they'd get much of anything for him. So probably not yet anyways. He may get better and make more of an impact next season. Unless he is straight up beat out by someone else. Then maybe they will entertain the idea. I'm sure they will be making some changes with the Dline anyways so time will tell. No telling what this FO will do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Give the man another year........he is not a bust.......he can play. sometimes it takes a man a while to learn his trade and elevate his game. imho... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Definitely not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 You’d get something similar to Ragland i would imagine. Shaq is a solid player. I know that’s uninspiring for a 1st round pick but he’s good against the run and will be like an 8 sack guy. He’s Ryan Denney IMO. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I think what happens to Shaq is going to be very interesting. If McD and Beane think he is what he is...............he gone. If they think he can improve in their system.............he stays. Let me add, I don't have a clue what their true thoughts are about this. I think it is as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: I think what happens to Shaq is going to be very interesting. If McD and Beane think he is what he is...............he gone. If they think he can improve in their system.............he stays. Let me add, I don't have a clue what their true thoughts are about this. I think it is as simple as that. Good points...I think he will be around until they find his replacement...and even then he should be decent depth until his rookie contract expires and they let him walk imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Yes. Disperse all players in a league wide draft and act as if the Buffalo Bills are an expansion team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 36 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Shaq doesn't look at all like a 1st round pick at this point. Some points to consider. 1. He is still less than 25 games into his NFL career. 2. What could we get for him? Would it be worth it? 3. Is he worth the money we're paying him now (disregarding present injury) or should we just move him and free up cap space that might be better spent? I suspect if they could get a 3rd round pick or higher, they would trade him away tomorrow. Just my opinion. I don't think they will get good offers for him though. So he stays and gets rotated in and out of the defensive front next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You’d get something similar to Ragland i would imagine. Shaq is a solid player. I know that’s uninspiring for a 1st round pick but he’s good against the run and will be like an 8 sack guy. He’s Ryan Denney IMO. A Denney would be fine. with a complimentary front. Give Lawson some time please 2 minutes ago, PolishDave said: I suspect if they could get a 3rd round pick or higher, they would trade him away tomorrow. Just my opinion. I don't think they will get good offers for him though. So he stays and gets rotated in and out of the defensive front next year. why do we think he should be gone again ? i can't seem to grasp that bit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Hard No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: A Denney would be fine. with a complimentary front. Give Lawson some time please why do we think he should be gone again ? i can't seem to grasp that bit.. McDermott's defense relies on the front guys getting pressure on the quarterback. That is not his strength. That is why I suspect they already want to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Good points...I think he will be around until they find his replacement...and even then he should be decent depth until his rookie contract expires and they let him walk imo. Just now, PolishDave said: McDermott's defense relies on the front guys getting pressure on the quarterback. That is not his strength. That is why I suspect they already want to replace him. These 2 points are why I said that Shaq's situation will be interesting! I have no idea what they will do........................................ We have so many holes to fill that keeping him is the safe thing to do. They are stubborn though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) I found it interesting/surprising that Murph and Donald both insinuated today that they thought he would be traded in the offseason. They suggested he was not consistent enough producing in his role as a pass rusher. Edited December 7, 2017 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, PolishDave said: McDermott's defense relies on the front guys getting pressure on the quarterback. That is not his strength. That is why I suspect they already want to replace him. Thanks for the note. I bet McD likes to get pressure up the middle and loves him some contain on the outsides. Deandre Coleman was a decent addition for now. Give McD Pat Williams and or Ted Washington with Lawson and Hughes we would be super bowl bound. pressure from the middle makes Lawson look preeetty good i bet. You saw the come back on Brady. missed him but made him turtle. Hughes overruns the edge, Lawson often move the play back inside nicely 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I found it interesting/surprising that Murph and Donald both insinuated today that they thought he would be traded in the offseason. They suggested he was not consistent enough producing in his role as a pass rusher. duly noted. 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: These 2 points are why I said that Shaq's situation will be interesting! I have no idea what they will do........................................ We have so many holes to fill that keeping him is the safe thing to do. They are stubborn though. Trading for draft picks is ALL risk. plus developing the player to just the NFL game speed is no small feat. Bird in the hand , on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) Yeah why not? Trade everyone who was here before McDerma got here. Better yet just cut all of them. And get a different mascot, PA game announcer, ticket takers, ushers, lot security guards, in stadium security, concessions, repaint the stadium, replace all the boulders around the place, trade the shout song to JAX, Go big or go home. Hell just Nuke the place already. Edited December 7, 2017 by cba fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Lawson was another wasted 1st round pick from the Whaley era. When you go back and look at the guys we drafted during the Whaley/Nix years, it's nothing short of a complete disaster. This team has zero players to build around. It's shocking how bare the cupboard is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 This is the part where we pretend Shaq is good because he’s still on the team. Then when he’s gone we can admit that he’s just not that good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: This is the part where we pretend Shaq is good because he’s still on the team. Then when he’s gone we can admit that he’s just not that good. he is quite nearly a rookie. and he is hardly BAD. wtf is going on here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Trading for draft picks is ALL risk. plus developing the player to just the NFL game speed is no small feat. Bird in the hand , on this one We might think this but would anyone be surprised if we find out he was traded for a 3rd or for a player for player trade. After this past year, I wouldn't. Who's to say what the right move is if you're looking out 2+ years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 The Lawson/Hughes combination isn't going to accomplish what McD wants. Hughes isn't good enough to be the sole passing rushing threat and Shaq offers very little in that department. Atleast one of them is gone this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: he is quite nearly a rookie. and he is hardly BAD. wtf is going on here. Quite nearly a rookie? What does that mean exactly? He’s been very unimpressive his first few years in the league. He looks like just another guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, ColoradoBills said: We might think this but would anyone be surprised if we find out he was traded for a 3rd or for a player for player trade. After this past year, I wouldn't. Who's to say what the right move is if you're looking out 2+ years? he is on a rookie contract. let him develop Just now, Bangarang said: Quite nearly a rookie? What does that mean exactly? He’s been very unimpressive his first few years in the league. He looks like just another guy. Just now, Bangarang said: Quite nearly a rookie? What does that mean exactly? He’s been very unimpressive his first few years in the league. He looks like just another guy. Consider my senility. This is his second year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You’d get something similar to Ragland i would imagine. Shaq is a solid player. I know that’s uninspiring for a 1st round pick but he’s good against the run and will be like an 8 sack guy. He’s Ryan Denney IMO. Yeah, as much as I hate that. I wonder how much of that pick is on Rex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: The Lawson/Hughes combination isn't going to accomplish what McD wants. Hughes isn't good enough to be the sole passing rushing threat and Shaq offers very little in that department. Atleast one of them is gone this offseason. Totally different players. what is it McD wants from the front four again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I would like to see him bulk up to 290 and play DT. He doesn't have the speed outside but inside he could do some damage. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Consider my senility. This is his second year ? That it is. Or at least it was his 2nd year since he’s now on IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: We might think this but would anyone be surprised if we find out he was traded for a 3rd or for a player for player trade. After this past year, I wouldn't. Who's to say what the right move is if you're looking out 2+ years? This i do not know. The" Plan/process" has somewhat baffled me so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, 3rdand12 said: Totally different players. what is it McD wants from the front four again ? They don't compliment eachother well at all. Hughes is a guy that can get 10-12 sacks if he is not the focal point of the offense. Shaq doesn't command any extra help in pass protection. He isn't quick enough to regularly beat the guy across from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Commonsense said: The Lawson/Hughes combination isn't going to accomplish what McD wants. Hughes isn't good enough to be the sole passing rushing threat and Shaq offers very little in that department. Atleast one of them is gone this offseason. Maybe the guy who leads the league in stupid ass penalties? I'd give Shaq another year and see what happens.He has been stout against the run considering how young he is. Some push up the middle would be nice from somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Augie said: Yeah, as much as I hate that. I wonder how much of that pick is on Rex? Ragland, Shaq and Taylor are 100% Rex Ryan picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would like to see him bulk up to 290 and play DT. He doesn't have the speed outside but inside he could do some damage. he already moves inside. His strength is power . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: he is on a rookie contract. let him develop Ok - but I'm warning you. If this is a part of the "process", there's going to be an awful lot of pissed off nancy's around here. A - LOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Ragland, Shaq and Taylor are 100% Rex Ryan picks. One reason I think Whaley gets a worse rap than he deserves. I’m not a ablind supporter by any means, but he didn’t get to pick a coach or fully control the draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: This i do not know. The" Plan/process" has somewhat baffled me so far Amen brother. It has the makings of one hell of an offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, Commonsense said: They don't compliment eachother well at all. Hughes is a guy that can get 10-12 sacks if he is not the focal point of the offense. Shaq doesn't command any extra help in pass protection. He isn't quick enough to regularly beat the guy across from him. I agree Common. McD likes rotation. Those that wished Lawson was a pass rusher due to draft # are likely the ones a bit hurt by that Rexian draft. Lets keep in mind he played mostly standing under Rex, which he had never done. But how Hughes has been used has touched a pressure point for me. He does not have the power to get there outside most LTs. He need to be moved. whether twist or stunts or stand him up. he is speed. use him correctly in a complimentary set and he should be more than reasonably affective 3 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Ok - but I'm warning you. If this is a part of the "process", there's going to be an awful lot of pissed off nancy's around here. A - LOT I know. I am struggling myself with this seasons antics and I have concerns trust the process ? well maybe a little, i guess 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Amen brother. It has the makings of one hell of an offseason. Absolutely. Kinda carzy how we Bills Fans looks forward to the offseason most years , isn't it ? But this year i am looking forward to it. Lot of work to get done for sure both draft and FA etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I agree Common. McD likes rotation. Those that wished Lawson was a pass rusher due to draft # are likely the ones a bit hurt by that Rexian draft. Lets keep in mind he played mostly standing under Rex, which he had never done. But how Hughes has been used has touched a pressure point for me. He does not have the power to get there outside most LTs. He need to be moved. whether twist or stunts or stand him up. he is speed. use him correctly in a complimentary set and he should be more than reasonably affective As a poster mention awhile back Shaq could put on weight and play inside and be more valuable in this system. I wouldn't be surprised to see an overhaul of the majority of the front 7. Next year will will be intresting. This offseason will be fun though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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