Nate Peterman's performance against the Chargers

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

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[Tatonka68]

It's third and twelve and Tyrod  dances around ignoring open receivers and throws it to Tolbert for 3 yards. YUP, my vote is for Petersen. Over Tyrod. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

Yes.  

If the Bills were for real, they would have beat the Jets and beat them badly.

 

But the real Bills team showed up (the one built on character instead of talent).   And boy, high character or not, they suck as a football team.

 the Deadskins took the Saints to OT in the Super Dome 

thats how bad we are 

[MRM33064]

All this McDermott backlash, you'd think he benched Brady.   Good grief.   Perhaps all these media geniuses long for the days of Dick Jauron, when we really hated turnovers, except when we loved them and called them punts.  And we loved playing it safe.  And tried not to lose.  And we'd, you know, try to make sure that, we kept this fragile, turnover-ratio-propped-up 5 win team "in the hunt", with a defense that gets more porous by the minute.    Puuuuuleease.  We've all been abused to have absurdly low expectations.   Which usually get met.

 

McDermott took a chance on a kid, showed a pair - a huge pair - undoubtedly believing that:

(a) Tyrod is not the future; and

(b) the team's chances to beat the Chargers, Chiefs, the Patriots (twice), etc. are, with both a porous defense and Tyrod starting, SLIM at best.   

 

And if you say you didn't get a little bit charged (if you'll forgive the pun) with that first pass Nate threw to Benjamin, you're just lying.  One pass does not a QB make, but for a brief moment I (and I'll bet most of Bills Nation) thought: maybe?!?!   The football gods even noticed.  And ....

 

There goes Benjamin, out.   Then, DOINGGGGG, right off DiMarco's moderately-useless hands, and the ball doesn't go sideways or hit the turf; rather,  it goes conveniently upward and right into the hands of the defense.  And of course, they run it all the way back for a TD, which I wasn't even sure should've counted.   CURSED.  Or, more accurately: REGRESSED!  All those crazy-town bounces that went our way in those 5 wins, they're back going the other way now.  And reality came back home.

 

Please do NOT get on McDermott because he saw little practical or likely upside in Tyrod and this defense, and took a swing for both the short-term and the future.   Please don't turn him into another gutless, fearful place-occupier whose greatest ambition is to keep-it-close.   

 

I like watching Tyrod pull off crazy-great runs as much as anyone, and he can throw a killer deep ball (every 6 weeks or so when he does it), but there's a reason why he took a pay cut to come back to a losing team as a (not-guaranteed) starter.   He came back to the BILLS, to make LESS MONEY and maybe not even start.    So maybe Nate is a dud (I don't think he is), but this wasn't exactly the greatest gamble of all time.

[Boatdrinks]

21 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

This is the double talk that is driving me crazy.

 

If Tyrod is good he should have no problem at Arrowhead.  However there is no way you could put Peterman in such a difficult situation.

 

They probably aren't beating SD regardless of who is starting?  So Tyrod couldn't beat a 3-6 team but should have no problem beating a 6-4 team?

 

This is the only time it could be done?  Why?  If he played even halfway decent he would be starting against KC and NE in starts 2 and 3.  Is that really any different?

 

The gymnastics to defend this decision are incredible.  Peterman should have been put in if it had to be done when the season was completely over.  Not when the team is 5-4 and the 6 seed.  Regardless of how people feel about the playoff hopes the reality is they were (and unbelievably still are) there for the taking.  I agree with the last sentence of your post though.  At any time they can turn it around this is after all the NFL.  I don't think any of us are expecting it but it could certainly happen.  The Bills are going to have to, as a team, decide if they want to quit or fight.  That's from the HC on down.

 

 If you can't see the difference between starting a rookie in a hornets nest stadium full of Rabid Chiefs fans and a rinky dink soccer stadium in LA with no partisan crowd then I'm not sure what to tell you. Forget the records, the Bills were 5-2 this season. The NP switch had little chance of working, but Tyrod wasn't winning that game the way he had been playing of late. Certainly not vs Lynn, who knows his every weakness and how to defend him. I was surprised by the decision , as it was not conservative but it really was the only spot in could be done. Why make a switch to spark the offense if the team is already out of the playoffs? To shield oneself from media criticism?  It's rather like closing the proverbial barn door. I don't think Tyrod is a very good QB, and had no confidence he would beat the LAC. Many on this board would disagree. If they are so sure about Tyrod winning yesterday , why can't  he not win a road game vs a struggling Chiefs team that lost 4 of 5 and got beat by a 1 win Giants team? The Chargers have found ways to lose close games this year, including a close one to New England. The Bills are not capable of playing a close game with New England, so records aren't always a great indicator. The Chargers are not terrible. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by Boatdrinks

[PolishDave]

1 minute ago, Tatonka68 said:

It's third and twelve and Tyrod  dances around ignoring open receivers and throws it to Tolbert for 3 yards. YUP, my vote is for Petersen. Over Tyrod. 

 

He wasn't doing that often earlier in this season.

 

Trying to force him to be a pocket passer is a mistake by Dennison.    And allowing other teams to force him to be a pocket passer is a mistake by Dennison.

 

We have known that clearly since the preseason game this year when Dennison made Taylor do that.   The game was abysmal.   Why would the coach want to repeat that?

 

Get him out of the pocket.   Force defenses to commit to trying to tackle him on the run or else risk easy first down yardages.

[Woodman19]

45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

thanks, will look forward to it.  Always happy to learn here.

 

1989 Cowboys           1992 Cowboys
Albritton, Vince           Abrams, Bobby
Alexander, Ray            Agee, Tommie
Bates, Bill                    Aikman, Troy
Boughton, Willie         Bates, Bill
Brown, Eric                  Beurlein, Steve
Burbage, Cornell         Brown, Larry
Burton, Ron                 Casillas, Tony
Carter, Jon                   Cornish, Frank
Chandler, Thornton     Edwards, Dixon
Clack, Darryl                 Elliot, Lin
Cobb, Garry                  Everett, Thomas
Del Rio, Jack               Gainer, Derrick
Dixon, James              Gant, Kenneth
Elam, Onzy                  Gesek, John
Folsom, Steve             Gogan, Kevin
Ford, Bernard              Haley, Charles
Francis, Ron                Harper, Alvin
Gogan, Kevin              Hellestrael, Dale
Hamel, Dean              Hennings, Chad
Hendrickson, Steve        Hill, Tony
Hendrix, Manny           Holmes, Clayton
Holt, Issiac                 Holt, Issiac
Horton, Ray                Horton, Ray
Howard, David           Irvin, Michael
Irvin, Michael             Jeffcoat, Jim
Jones, Too Tall         Johnston, Daryl
Ker, Crawford            Jones, Jimmie
Laufenberg, Babe     Jones, Robert
Lilly, Kevin                   Lett, Leon
Lockhard, Eugene      Martin, Kelvin
Martin, Kelvin            Maryland, Russell
Newton, Nate            Myles, Godfrey
Noonan, Danny          Newton, Nate
Norton, Ken               Noonan, Danny
Palmer, Paul              Norton, Ken
Rafferty, Tom            Novacek, Jay
Ruzek, Roger             Pruitt, Mickey
Sargent, Broderick    Richards, Vurvin
Saxon, Mike               Roberts, Alfredo
Scott, Kevin               Saxson, Mike
Shepard, Derrick       Smith, Emmit
Smith, Sean               Smith, Jimmy
Solomon, Jesse        Smith, Kevin
Steward, Curtis         Smith, Vinson
Tautalatsi, Junior      Stepnoski, Mark
Tippins, Ken              Tennell, Derek
Tuinei, Mark              Tolbert, Tony
Walker, Herschel      Tuinei, Mark
Walls, Everson        Veingrad, Alan
White, Bob               Washington, James
Widell, Dave            Williams, Erik
Williams, Robert      Williams, Robert
Zendejas, Luis         Woodson, Darren
Zimmerman, Jeff     Wright, Alexander

 

 

Very tough to format on the cell, apologies for it if it's confusing.

 

11 players of 54 gutted.  That's 80% of the roster turned over in 3 years.
 

 

Bates

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Horton

Irvin

Martin

Newton

Noonan

Norton

Tuinei

Williams

Edited November 20, 2017 by Woodman19

[sleeby]

I would prefer to end this season with 5 wins than get to and lose a WC game just to end a crappy streak.  This year was never what it was about.

[ndirish1978]

Has anyone seen a worse performance from a QB ever?

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, sleeby said:

I would prefer to end this season with 5 wins than get to and lose a WC game just to end a crappy streak.  This year was never what it was about.

I strongly disagree. The season was about changing the trajectory of the franchise, if that includes a WC appearance then great. The two things are not mutually exclusive. A 5 win season guarantees nothing about the upcoming season or any after that. 

[PolishDave]

3 minutes ago, sleeby said:

I would prefer to end this season with 5 wins than get to and lose a WC game just to end a crappy streak.  This year was never what it was about.

 

You would rather lose 50% in your 401k this year than make a positive return of 10% just because 10% isn't good enough for you?

 

I will never understand that mentality.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Has anyone seen a worse performance from a QB ever?

Yes.  Twice in a SB by Buffalo. 

there are more, but I'll never forget those.

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Yes.  Twice in a SB by Buffalo. 

there are more, but I'll never forget those.

No, Jim Kelly played better than this by a mile even in his worst SB games 

[Tatonka68]

29 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

He wasn't doing that often earlier in this season.

 

Trying to force him to be a pocket passer is a mistake by Dennison.    And allowing other teams to force him to be a pocket passer is a mistake by Dennison.

 

We have known that clearly since the preseason game this year when Dennison made Taylor do that.   The game was abysmal.   Why would the coach want to repeat that?

 

Get him out of the pocket.   Force defenses to commit to trying to tackle him on the run or else risk easy first down yardages.

Sorry Tyrod sucks, 2+ years is more than enough, rather see what Petermen can do. Yes he had a bad game, Tyrod has plenty more.

[Woodman19]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

No, Jim Kelly played better than this by a mile even in his worst SB games 

It also wasn't Kelly's rookie debut.  

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Woodman19 said:

It also wasn't Kelly's rookie debut.  

I wonder how many games it took for Kelly to get five ints 

[Woodman19]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I wonder how many games it took for Kelly to get five ints 

More than one, that's for sure lol. I'm

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Woodman19 said:

More than one, that's for sure lol. I'm

And for sure more than a half of a game 

[HamSandwhich]

4 hours ago, mannc said:

Please.  I give the players plenty of credit.  We are talking about quite possibly the worst quarterbacking performance in the history of the NFL.  They know NP won’t be coming back from that any time soon, and they don’t want to put their bodies on the line for that kind of amateurish incompetence.  He shouldn’t play again this year, except in mop up duty.

Your opinion is noted. 

[PrimeTime101]

Peterman lets go 5-11 with 50 INT's and get a real QB in draft..

[Hapless Bills Fan]

58 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

1989 Cowboys           1992 Cowboys

 

Your formatting is fine, but the question it's addressing changed.  I thought the question was of gutting 53 players (or most of them) in a season, not 4 years.

29 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

More than one, that's for sure lol. I'm

 

Four.  2 in his 2nd game, 3 in his 4th.

He did have 4 - 4 INT games in his career, one of them the '91 SB v Wash, sadly

[Woodman19]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Your formatting is fine, but the question it's addressing changed.  I thought the question was of gutting 53 players (or most of them) in a season, not 4 years.

You think they can't purge the team of character problems (giving up) in one offseason with 10 draft picks + free agency?

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

how ironic.... NoPlayoffs 

 

It's been 2 1/2 seasons with TT....  if you felt that strongly why not a name change?  

 

The 8th (give or take 1) game of 15 and 16 all but ended the Bills chances at the WC when Tentative Taylor forgot how to pass the ball. 

funny how that excuse works for TT and not a rookie.  

Funny how the excuse works for a rookie and not TT. 

[Woodman19]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Funny how the excuse works for a rookie and not TT. 

Expectations should be different for a veteran.

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Expectations should be different for a veteran.

So a vet should make a terrible line dissapear and make grocery bagger receivers look like Antonio Brown just because he is a vet?  

 

I expected Nate to be a little worse. I don't expect 5 Ints in like 10 passes worse. Rookie or not that is terrible. 

[Jobot]

McD pretended like Peterman was Tom Brady out there.  Most ignorant play calling imaginable for a rookie qb. 

 

How many picks occurred on 3rd and long.... Peterman never had a prayer to succeed.  A punt is not always a bad thing McD!

 

This game was a microcosm of how impatient and clueless this staff has become.

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Jobot said:

McD pretended like Peterman was Tom Brady out there.  Most ignorant play calling imaginable for a rookie qb. 

 

How many picks occurred on 3rd and long.... Peterman never had a prayer to succeed.  A punt is not always a bad thing McD!

 

This game was a microcosm of how impatient and clueless this staff has become.

 Well to be fair Dennsion is calling the plays. He's shown himself to be pretty terrible at it all season, and yesterday was no exception. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by Boatdrinks

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

You think they can't purge the team of character problems (giving up) in one offseason with 10 draft picks + free agency?

 

Depends on two things:

1) how many of those "character problem" guys are there?

2) how interested are FA gonna be in joining your team?

 

People are never (or seldom**) "character problems" in a vacuum. 

I've been a model employee, a real workaholic overachiever and top performer.  I've been an underperformer and a bit of a problem child.

I was the same person, both times; my attitude changed because the culture and environment around me, the expectations and the way I was treated, changed.

Same thing with the people I supervised.  Some of them had been low performers, I was able to help them turn it around.  Some of them who'd been considered stars, had struggles with me because organizational (and my) expectations differed and they weren't willing or able to meet them.

I don't see why professional football players would be different - character problems with talent can become great performers if you reach them and motivate them correctly.  OTOH, if the team feels it's being deliberately set up to fail through trading top talent for nothing or not starting the best players, it will create character problems. 

 

Getting back to the original topic  I commented that you can't purge 53 guys off a roster, you said essentially "sure you can" and held up the Cowboys (over 4 years) as an example.  How many of those 53 guys did they replace in one season?

**edited: on reflection, there are the JaMarcus Russells, Ryan Leafs, and Johnny Manziels of the world who are probably character problems anywhere, or at least have it so deeply engrained before you get there that it can't be changed.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan

[wakingfane]

Even the DiMarco miss was 50% Peterman... Not to name name's but... Tyrod throws those passes low. Aaaaand... true to form, often throws those passes soooo low, being careful, that the RB has no way to make a play.  Yay.

[YoloinOhio]

Maybe already mentioned but I now remember a similar QB performance in the nfl. Geno vs the Bills in 2014 at MetLife. He had 4 picks in the 1st qtr I believe.

Edited November 20, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[section122]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

 

 If you can't see the difference between starting a rookie in a hornets nest stadium full of Rabid Chiefs fans and a rinky dink soccer stadium in LA with no partisan crowd then I'm not sure what to tell you. Forget the records, the Bills were 5-2 this season. The NP switch had little chance of working, but Tyrod wasn't winning that game the way he had been playing of late. Certainly not vs Lynn, who knows his every weakness and how to defend him. I was surprised by the decision , as it was not conservative but it really was the only spot in could be done. Why make a switch to spark the offense if the team is already out of the playoffs? To shield oneself from media criticism?  It's rather like closing the proverbial barn door. I don't think Tyrod is a very good QB, and had no confidence he would beat the LAC. Many on this board would disagree. If they are so sure about Tyrod winning yesterday , why can't  he not win a road game vs a struggling Chiefs team that lost 4 of 5 and got beat by a 1 win Giants team? The Chargers have found ways to lose close games this year, including a close one to New England. The Bills are not capable of playing a close game with New England, so records aren't always a great indicator. The Chargers are not terrible. 

 

I do see the difference between the 2.  I just think the move in general was a dumb one.  I think the coach threw in the towel on a very winnable game starting his precious 5th round rookie.  Bringing in a 5th round rookie was supposed to spark the offense?  Come on thats ridiculous.  Peterman being brought in was a desperation move to show that Dennison's scheme can be successful and that the offense sucking has been all Tyrod's fault.  Before yesterday many people bought that.  Now that Peterman played worse than Tyrod ever even came close to playing it has changed to how bad the rest of the team is.  The team has been bad.  The Saints game wasn't solely on Tyrod even though he was also bad.  We saw yesterday that Tyrod is light years ahead of Peterman.  Do you really think it looks that much different in practice to spark that move?

 

Nobody is so sure Tyrod would have won yesterday.  It isn't about that.  Tyrod would have played better than Peterman and that I CAN guarantee.  You opine about the Chargers finding ways to lose close games but oh they aren't that bad.  Peterman made it so the game never had a chance to be close.  Chargers aren't terrible that I will agree with but who do you think is a tougher game?  3-6 Chargers in a half filled with Bills fans stadium that holds less than half of New Era or a team that blew out New England playing in one of the toughest places to play in the league.

 

Back to my original post to you it's the mental gymnastics that are driving me crazy.  Even before the game there was a what if Peterman plays bad thread filled with excuses BEFORE he even took a snap.  Now that it is likely Tyrod will be back in we should beat the Chiefs .  It's still the same crappy team this week as it was last week.  The only way they win is if the defense finally shows up.  What do people always say to bash Tyrod?  He won't win you the game but he won't lose it for you either?  Peterman lost that game for the Bills yesterday.  It is okay to think Tyrod sucks AND to think that Peterman sucks.  I don't mind that at all.  Tyrod not being good enough for anyone is fine with me.  Anyone pretending Peterman is or should be excused in any way for yesterday isn't.  He was historically bad and deserves to head back to the bench for good.

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I do see the difference between the 2.  I just think the move in general was a dumb one.  I think the coach threw in the towel on a very winnable game starting his precious 5th round rookie.  Bringing in a 5th round rookie was supposed to spark the offense?  Come on thats ridiculous.  Peterman being brought in was a desperation move to show that Dennison's scheme can be successful and that the offense sucking has been all Tyrod's fault.  Before yesterday many people bought that.  Now that Peterman played worse than Tyrod ever even came close to playing it has changed to how bad the rest of the team is.  The team has been bad.  The Saints game wasn't solely on Tyrod even though he was also bad.  We saw yesterday that Tyrod is light years ahead of Peterman.  Do you really think it looks that much different in practice to spark that move?

 

Nobody is so sure Tyrod would have won yesterday.  It isn't about that.  Tyrod would have played better than Peterman and that I CAN guarantee.  You opine about the Chargers finding ways to lose close games but oh they aren't that bad.  Peterman made it so the game never had a chance to be close.  Chargers aren't terrible that I will agree with but who do you think is a tougher game?  3-6 Chargers in a half filled with Bills fans stadium that holds less than half of New Era or a team that blew out New England playing in one of the toughest places to play in the league.

 

Back to my original post to you it's the mental gymnastics that are driving me crazy.  Even before the game there was a what if Peterman plays bad thread filled with excuses BEFORE he even took a snap.  Now that it is likely Tyrod will be back in we should beat the Chiefs .  It's still the same crappy team this week as it was last week.  The only way they win is if the defense finally shows up.  What do people always say to bash Tyrod?  He won't win you the game but he won't lose it for you either?  Peterman lost that game for the Bills yesterday.  It is okay to think Tyrod sucks AND to think that Peterman sucks.  I don't mind that at all.  Tyrod not being good enough for anyone is fine with me.  Anyone pretending Peterman is or should be excused in any way for yesterday isn't.  He was historically bad and deserves to head back to the bench for good.

Absolutely it can look that different in practice. Rob Johnson might have been the best practice QB of all time. Everything changed once the red jersey came off. There are zero excuses for Nate Petrmans play, none. He was epically bad. It's still crazy to think McD made a switch to prove a point. The game wasn't very winnable with Taylor at QB. Less ugly perhaps, but the guy is a reluctant passer and Lynn designed game plans to minimize his limitations. He knew exactly how to defend Taylor. This was a desperation move to try to win a football game after watching two game films of open WRs and a QB who won't throw them the football. It's a tough spot to be in and there are few answers right now. The loss to LAC may have been a bit less ugly on the stat sheet if Taylor had played, but it would have been a loss just the same. The spark could come from Tyrod having a fire lit under him , not just from NP ( which obviously didn't happen). It was desperation not some great conspiracy to show off Dennisons vaunted system . Winning football games is all the league is about. Taylor might not lose the game and throw multiple picks, but he can't bring your offense back from two or three scores because the defense is bad and he won't throw the ball. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by Boatdrinks

[rodneykm]

A couple of the picks weren't totally Nathans fault. I was thinking 3 INT's coming into the game sounded about right. He's just not ready and that is kind of scary to think about if something were to happen to Tyrod. It might not be a terrible idea for the Bills to sign someone with some experience -- now. 

[Kelly the Dog]

9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Absolutely it can look that different in practice. Rob Johnson might have been the best practice QB of all time. Everything changed once the red jersey came off. There are zero excuses for Nate Petrmans play, none. He was epically bad. It's still crazy to think McD made a switch to prove a point. The game wasn't very winnable with Taylor at QB. Less ugly perhaps, but the guy is a reluctant passer and Lynn designed game plans to minimize his limitations. He knew exactly how to defend Taylor. This was a desperation move to try to win a football game after watching two game films of open WRs and a QB who won't throw them the football. It's a tough spot to be in and there are few answers right now. The loss to LAC may have been a bit less ugly on the stat sheet if Taylor had played, but it would have been a loss just the same. The spark could come from Tyrod having a fire lit under him , not just from NP ( which obviously didn't happen). It was desperation not some great conspiracy to show off Dennisons vaunted system . Winning football games is all the league is about. 

Practice and preseason are played at approximately 3/4 speed. A lot of guys look good or great in practice but cannot replicate in real games. RJ is a good example. He couldn't handle the pressure or rush a huge portion of the time, which was non-existent in practice and preseason.

 

The best example to me was Trent Edwards. He also was a practice and preseason all-star. And don't talk to me about the 4-0 or 5-1 start before he got clobbered. We won a few games but he wasn't that good and didn't show the talents he needed to show to be good regardless of raw stats.

 

When Chan was made coach originally, he saw how good Trent looked in practice and preseason, and thought, as good and great coaches do, that I have a lot to work with here, and I can coach him up. He started Trent for two or three games and immediately saw that TE couldn't handle the rush. All he could do, like Peterman, was read the defense pre-snap, make a quick decision and with his quick release throw an accurate short completion.

 

Chan didn't decide to bench him for Fitzy the backup, Chan just cut Trent. You never see that. He probably just didn't want to be tempted again. The same thing happened to McDermott with Peterman.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Kelly the Dog

[Luka]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

So a vet should make a terrible line dissapear and make grocery bagger receivers look like Antonio Brown just because he is a vet?  

 

I expected Nate to be a little worse. I don't expect 5 Ints in like 10 passes worse. Rookie or not that is terrible. 

 

Jordan Matthews = more production than Sammy Watkins. Kelvin Benjamin = about equal production to Sammy Watkins. It's the grocery bagger QBs that can't get it done.

[Woodman19]

1 minute ago, Luka said:

 

Jordan Matthews = more production than Sammy Watkins. Kelvin Benjamin = about equal production to Sammy Watkins. It's the grocery bagger QBs that can't get it done.

So you're saying Peterman gets a pass since he didn't get either?

[Scott7975]

6 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

Jordan Matthews = more production than Sammy Watkins. Kelvin Benjamin = about equal production to Sammy Watkins. It's the grocery bagger QBs that can't get it done.

And Tyrod had those receivers for how many games?

[Luka]

1 minute ago, Woodman19 said:

So you're saying Peterman gets a pass since he didn't get either?

 

Pointing out that there is plenty of talent in the receiving corps and I hadn't even drilled down to Clay and O'Leary. Doesn't matter which QB is out there, they both are inept in their own, obvious ways. Time to go all in this year and get a guy. I'm sick of blaming the rest of the team when it's one position we can't get production out of. We've turned over this roster multiple times and one constant remains. We have below average QB play, and the best you'll get is 9-7 or worse.

[ndirish1978]

19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Practice and preseason are played at approximately 3/4 speed. A lot of guys look good or great in practice but cannot replicate in real games. RJ is a good example. He couldn't handle the pressure or rush a huge portion of the time, which was non-existent in practice and preseason.

 

The best example to me was Trent Edwards. He also was a practice and preseason all-star. And don't talk to me about the 4-0 or 5-1 start before he got clobbered. We won a few games but he wasn't that good and didn't show the talents he needed to show to be good regardless of raw stats.

 

When Chan was made coach originally, he saw how good Trent looked in practice and preseason, and thought, as good and great coaches do, that I have a lot to work with here, and I can coach him up. He started Trent for two or three games and immediately saw that TE couldn't handle the rush. All he could do, like Peterman, was read the defense pre-snap, make a quick decision and with his quick release throw an accurate short completion.

 

Chan didn't decide to bench him for Fitzy the backup, Chan just cut Trent. You never see that. He probably just didn't want to be tempted again. The same thing happened to McDermott with Peterman.

 

Pretty much this. He saw Tyrod wasn't going to get better, thought the kid looked good in practice and took a shot. Peterman isn't an NFL QB and before anyone tells me I'm jumping the gun - he had the worst performance of any QB ever in his first half; the only QB that was even close to being as bad was Ryan Lindley, who had 4 INTs, there is no precedent for starting this poorly and then becoming great and Peterman isn't breaking any trends.