dayman Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Poisoned relationship in Indy. Coming of a season where he has a bad injury that is shrouded in mystery and potentially really bad long term for his shoulder. Perhaps a reasonable price is on his head (maybe only 1 1st or something). Lets get crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Just now, dayman said: Poisoned relationship in Indy. Coming of a season where he has a bad injury that is shrouded in mystery and potentially really bad long term for his shoulder. Perhaps a reasonable price is on his head (maybe only 1 1st or something). Lets get crazy. It would still take a kings ransom to pull Andrew Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Haven't we seen this topic before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Oh just imagining all of the horrible pun headlines that would come from the Bills beat writers makes me NOT want this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 How about we take another look at Thad Lewis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: It would still take a kings ransom to pull Andrew Luck Would it? Just b/c the owner is an insane opioid addict? I'm not seeing Luck pulling the same value it would take to move up to get a top 5 QB at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, dayman said: Would it? Just b/c the owner is an insane opioid addict? I'm not seeing Luck pulling the same value it would take to move up to get a top 5 QB at this point... China doll Sam Bradford got traded for a first... Luck is worth atleast 2 firsts and a second minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: China doll Sam Bradford got traded for a first... Luck is worth atleast 2 firsts and a second minimum ...speaking of China doll Sam Bradford...a 3 for him would be a steal and allow us to nab a little OL and defense help...also a good move. I still think fair value for Luck is at and all time bargain to buy low. There is no way he's worth what he was worth on draft day in terms of value swap...but he's likely worth more on the field if his shoulder is fine. The bottom line is packaging all of our picks to gamble on a 21 year old when we have so many needs is not viable. We need a Luck/Bradford or something similar. Edited November 17, 2017 by dayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Let’s not and say we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 More interested in whoever comes out of Minnesota. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Depends on how the FO feels about the prospects coming out. I take Luck if they don't think any of the rookies are 50% prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 16 minutes ago, dayman said: Would it? Just b/c the owner is an insane opioid addict? I'm not seeing Luck pulling the same value it would take to move up to get a top 5 QB at this point... It would. Because of the market for him. There can be a ton of negatives, but there will be a bunch of teams in the bidding war. 13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: China doll Sam Bradford got traded for a first... Luck is worth atleast 2 firsts and a second minimum Let's say he ends up a Bill... My guess is a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) If they are going to stick to this offense, and Peterman is not the answer for next season I like the idea of Bridgewater health and price dependant of course. Edited November 17, 2017 by Jamie Muellers Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Just now, Shotgunner said: It would. Because of the market for him. There can be a ton of negatives, but there will be a bunch of teams in the bidding war. Let's say he ends up a Bill... My guess is a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Tyrod. That is a respectable deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Just now, Buffalo716 said: That is a respectable deal I would be OK with it. Plus we still have the extra 1st and 2nd. We think we can motivate Luck, maybe they think they can do the same with Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Never have been impressed by Luck. Let's play a few games and see what we have in NP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I'm not a big fan of taking QBs on the downward slope of their career. I think Luck is fading and I don't think he'd be inclined toward joining another team that has OLine issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 No thanks on Luck, at this point NP has more upside and a higher ceiling. He's a very similar player to Luck anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: No thanks on Luck, at this point NP has more upside and a higher ceiling. He's a very similar player to Luck anyway. You really must be smoking some good crack zero chance NP has more upside even if Luck is hurt. Edited November 17, 2017 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, SaviorPeterman said: No thanks on Luck, at this point NP has more upside and a higher ceiling. He's a very similar player to Luck anyway. I hope that NP is a little more careful with his body on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Overrated. Throws picks as a hobby. Has Indy made the playoffs with him holding the keys? I honestly dont know but I'd be just as content with Tyrod as I would Luck. Bad job by you on that idea IMHO. Lets roll the dice with Nate and take it from there. Our franchise (whatever the hell that means) QB may well be on our roster right freaking now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 48 minutes ago, dayman said: ...speaking of China doll Sam Bradford...a 3 for him would be a steal and allow us to nab a little OL and defense help...also a good move. I still think fair value for Luck is at and all time bargain to buy low. There is no way he's worth what he was worth on draft day in terms of value swap...but he's likely worth more on the field if his shoulder is fine. The bottom line is packaging all of our picks to gamble on a 21 year old when we have so many needs is not viable. We need a Luck/Bradford or something similar. The only bargain is that you might actually be able to trade for him. No way is he cheap by any stretch, just consider how many teams would be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, jaybee said: Overrated. Throws picks as a hobby. Has Indy made the playoffs with him holding the keys? I honestly dont know but I'd be just as content with Tyrod as I would Luck. Bad job by you on that idea IMHO. Lets roll the dice with Nate and take it from there. Our franchise (whatever the hell that means) QB may well be on our roster right freaking now. They have made the playoffs, but he's hurt by his choices, his Oline, his GM, and his coach. Oh, don't forget the crazy owner. They really blew it when they brought Pagano back instead of promoting Bruce Arians. That was the end of Luck's progress. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: You really are smoking crack zero chance NP has more upside even if Luck is hurt. Luck has been in the league six years and pretty much a finished product at this point. Don't get me wrong, still a very good finished product but my point is that NP is a developmental prospect with tons of upside which is also why he wasn't drafted as high as some experts thought. Already seeing a lot of comparisons out there to guys like Favre and Romo because of his gunslinger mentality. And considering we play some less than stellar passing defenses in the coming weeks his play could be LARGE and we might see some elusive 300 yard passing days and shootouts. Bottom line we need somebody to score points to have any chance of staying in the playoff picture regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Luck has been in the league six years and pretty much a finished product at this point. Don't get me wrong, still a very good finished product but my point is that NP is a developmental prospect with tons of upside which is also why he wasn't drafted as high as some experts thought. Already seeing a lot of comparisons out there to guys like Favre and Romo because of his gunslinger mentality. And considering we play some less than stellar passing defenses in the coming weeks his play could be LARGE and we might see some elusive 300 yard passing days and shootouts. Bottom line we need somebody to score points to have any chance of staying in the playoff picture regardless. He is hardly a developmental prospect RG3 and Kaepernick were developmental prospects... He is a pro style QB He has been in a pro system his whole college career and that's why he was touted as pro ready if anything he was drafted in the 5th because most scouts saw him as having little upside and being a career backup fringe starter. not something you take round 1-2 Edited November 17, 2017 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 47 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: It would. Because of the market for him. There can be a ton of negatives, but there will be a bunch of teams in the bidding war. Let's say he ends up a Bill... My guess is a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Tyrod. I'd give a 1st, and any 3 other Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Luck probably has another 7 years in him, at least. Too bad Grigson is out at Indy, he could have been had for a second round pick and Vlad Ducasse. Can never have too many good offensive linemen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Let's not get crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He is hardly a developmental prospect RG3 and Kaepernick were developmental prospects... He is a pro style QB He has been in a pro system his whole college career and that's why he was touted as pro ready if anything he was drafted in the 5th because most scouts saw him as having little upside and being a career backup fringe starter. not something you take round 1-2 This makes the game in LA this Sunday the most interesting game in a decade. Can't wait!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Luck probably has another 7 years in him, at least. Too bad Grigson is out at Indy, he could have been had for a second round pick and Vlad Ducasse. Can never have too many good offensive linemen. He may have even more than 7 years, but if he can't get this throwing shoulder fixed, he may be done in 2. Do you remember when Chad Pennington's shoulder went soft. It was over pretty quickly at that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 He had the potential to be a great one, but his health is too much of a concern at this point imo. How many HOF QB’s have been injured this much early in their careers? The injuries appear to have the potential to be reoccurring. Unfortunately I don’t have a good feeling about his future in the NFL. The dude is traveling to Europe for alternative treatment options. I don’t like the sound of any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ga boy said: This makes the game in LA this Sunday the most interesting game in a decade. Can't wait!! I am super excited to see what happens...unfortunately I have a prior obligation. Definitely going to be catching score updates frequently. Edited November 17, 2017 by dulles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Pros to Luck: -Smart player -If healthy (big if) can be a winner -He's very polite -He's not named Tyrod Taylor -Can read a defense and play at a high level -Has playoff experience Cons to Luck -This shoulder issue may never fully heal. Word I have seen is he's in Europe getting some weird treatment. Doesn't sound like the typical route an NFL player takes to recovery -Poor lines in Indy mean he has been hit more than a woman dating Chris Brown (the R&B singer...Not the Bills reporter) -He's already 28 with high mileage on his body -Would take a ton of draft capital to get him -On top of the picks would be an enormous salary My opinion: Use all those picks that we would have to give up and build a team. Look, we let Gilmore go and used that money to sign Poyer and Hyde plus have some leftover. That's how to build a team. The money saved from not having Luck could get us a rookie QB, a new RG and perhaps a new LBer. It's a no brainer for me. Give me a revamped team over a guy who "kinda sorta could heal and be ok" or kinda sorta could be done and could be the next RGIII 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: Pros to Luck: -Smart player -If healthy (big if) can be a winner -He's very polite -He's not named Tyrod Taylor -Can read a defense and play at a high level -Has playoff experience Cons to Luck -This shoulder issue may never fully heal. Word I have seen is he's in Europe getting some weird treatment. Doesn't sound like the typical route an NFL player takes to recovery -Poor lines in Indy mean he has been hit more than a woman dating Chris Brown (the R&B singer...Not the Bills reporter) -He's already 28 with high mileage on his body -Would take a ton of draft capital to get him -On top of the picks would be an enormous salary My opinion: Use all those picks that we would have to give up and build a team. Look, we let Gilmore go and used that money to sign Poyer and Hyde plus have some leftover. That's how to build a team. The money saved from not having Luck could get us a rookie QB, a new RG and perhaps a new LBer. It's a no brainer for me. Give me a revamped team over a guy who "kinda sorta could heal and be ok" or kinda sorta could be done and could be the next RGIII I think the treatment that he's getting in Europe is probably the type of stuff we'd be uneasy with if he was playing the rest of this season. I really don't think the NFL is going to check out his meds too closely when he's on IR the rest of this year. HGH...no problem, etc. I think it goes without saying that it is in the best interest of the NFL to get QBs like Luck back on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 hours ago, dayman said: Poisoned relationship in Indy. Coming of a season where he has a bad injury that is shrouded in mystery and potentially really bad long term for his shoulder. Perhaps a reasonable price is on his head (maybe only 1 1st or something). Lets get crazy. That's crazy, alright. How much good did it do us to get crazy over Rivers the least couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Sunday can't come soon enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Shotgunner said: I would be OK with it. Plus we still have the extra 1st and 2nd. We think we can motivate Luck, maybe they think they can do the same with Tyrod. They don't need Tyrod. Brissett is playing well for them. And he's younger that Tyrod. I wouldn't doubt Tyrod winds up in Denver or J-Ville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 he's been hurt for 3 years. The damage is likely permanent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Luck is...quite possibly... the most overrated athlete of my lifetime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 6 hours ago, McNubbins said: How about we take another look at Thad Lewis? Why stop there? How about Losman and Edwards signed to our practice squad? 43 minutes ago, fridge said: Luck is...quite possibly... the most overrated athlete of my lifetime. Can't really argue with that, but Indy gave him garbage compared to what they gave Manning. Gugny believes Cam Newton will be pursued by Beane, not gonna say that's out of the realm of possibility given how many players from the Panthers we've acquired. If I had to choose between the two, I'd have to pick Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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