Boldest move since benching Flutie

[Buffalo Boy]

1 minute ago, simool said:

 

And it should not have come down to a screw job by the officials, Rob was crap that game.  My left testicle could have played better than him.

That was a great game featuring two very good defenses.

When I think Flutie and playoffs I think of interceptions in the Endzone and walking off the field a Loser.

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, simool said:

 

Well according to what he did that season, the facts say he was a winner.  According to what surfer boy did that season, the facts say he was a wannabe. In fact, Rob Johnson never did ANYTHING.  EVER.  You are obviously hooked on the Rob juice.

 

Flutie had that .000 success in playoff games, even when HANDED the 86 Bears, but they despised him, something about an unfortunate remark to Willie Gault that would get him hanged in the current environment...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, simool said:

 

Well he got the W's did'nt he?  That fact seems to escape you.

 

That DEFENSE got the wins. HE didn't do anything of note.

 

Funny to see someone still so emotionally attached to the noodle-armed midget.

 

[Buffalo Boy]

Just now, simool said:

 

Well he got the W's did'nt he?  That fact seems to escape you.

 

The DEFENSE got those wins, just like TT being handed multiple short field earlier this year.

Flutie couldn’t throw a ten yard out by the end of that season. 

[row_33]

86 Bears hated Flutie so much that when Dexter Manley in the playoffs charged through offside, whistles and all, and took Flutie to the ground, not a single Bear helped him up or even thought a bad thing at Dexter.

 

they had good taste.

[Buffalo Boy]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

That DEFENSE got the wins. HE didn't do anything of note.

 

Funny to see someone still so emotionally attached to the noodle-armed midget.

 

“ Noodle armed Midget???

[row_33]

Rodeo clown was better. 

 

It was like forcing everyone to have to agree to accept him on the field, totally unheard of in the NFL as he got 8 chances he never deserved.

 

and people still worship him... 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Thurman on WGR talking about how much of an asshat Flutie was when he was benched for Johnson. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

I think both moves were best for the franchise, surprised they did this current one though.

 

I dont know that I would go that far.  Benching Flutie doesn't really compare to this.  They traded and invested big in Rob Johnson, and injury opened the door for a Vet that was doing a solid, yet not spectacular job.  But despite not being over whelming, Flutie was leading the teams to wins and Rob had not played in a while and had not proven much on the field yet.  So to hand the ball back to him for a playoff game and risk upsetting what was working is quite a bit more shocking to me.

 

TT came into this season playing for his job, he started his season on the hot seat and had a young rookie who showed promise that was drafted by this regime learning in the mean time.  With him struggling so bad last week and the kid show casing a huge difference in getting the ball out fast, its not that big of a shock to me as our road to playoff already seemed like a long shot with the way the team has played the last few weeks.  

 

So, I don't see it that bold, I even predicted in the preseason that the most likely time for a QB switch would be around week 10 if TT had not silenced the doubts and secured the job.  

[dave mcbride]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

That was a great game featuring two very good defenses.

When I think Flutie and playoffs I think of interceptions in the Endzone and walking off the field a Loser.

The 1999 Titans D was 25th in passing yards allowed, 27th in passing yards given up, and 20th in net yards/attempt allowed. They were 15th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed.  Yet Rob Johnson was 10-22 for 131 yards passing and took 6 sacks.

The 1998 Miami defense was 1st in points allowed, 3rd in yards allowed, 1st in INTs, and 3rd in NY/A. 

 

Yet Flutie lit them up like an Xmas tree (21/36 for 360 yards and 4 rushes for 29 yards) and Moulds had a career day (despite fumbling a perfectly thrown bomb that he had caught and which probably cost the Bills 7 points and hence the game). 

Let's stick to the facts.

Edited November 15, 2017 by dave mcbride

[Buffalo Boy]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

The 1999 Titans D was 25th in passing yards allowed, 27th in passing yards given up, and 20th in net yards/attempt allowed. They were 15th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed. 

The 1998 Miami defense was 1st in points allowed, 3rd in yards allowed, 1st in INTs, and 3rd in NY/A. 

 

Yet Flutie lit them up like an Xmas tree (21/36 for 360 yards and 4 rushes for 29 yards) and Moulds had a career day (despite fumbling a perfectly thrown bomb that he had caught and which probably cost the Bills 7 points and hence the game). 

Let's stick to the facts.

Score board = L

That’s a fact.

 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Score board = L

That’s a fact.

 

"Scoreboard" is a weak way to argue. Look at the context and consider that football is a game with 22 moving parts on any play. Flutie did enough to win against a far superior opponent than the 1999 TN D; Johnson performed horribly against a middling defense.

Edited November 15, 2017 by dave mcbride

[row_33]

Hmmmmm, is there a co-relation between worshiping Doug Flutie and demanding that Tyrod stay in ?

 

Doctor?

 

 

 

the announcement today and Flutie's benching caused me to stop still and my eyes went real wide and i was shocked, has happened maybe 5 times in 40 years over sports

 

then i started smiling over the pure justice of it all

 

[nedboy7]

I support the move. I just don’t see how there will be enough therapists in Buffalo if peterman doesn’t put up Brady numbers. 

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Hmmmmm, is there a co-relation between worshiping Doug Flutie and demanding that Tyrod stay in ?

 

Doctor?

 

 

 

the announcement today and Flutie's benching caused me to stop still and my eyes went real wide and i was shocked, has happened maybe 5 times in 40 years over sports

 

then i started smiling over the pure justice of it all

 

Who is worshipping Flutie? He was a decent QB for the Bills who had major limitations in his game but also brought some real assets to the table.  Johnson, on the other hand is the most sacked QB in league history and had well over twice the sack rate of Flutie while in Buffalo playing behind the same line. He stunk, as his subsequent career proved. There is a reason he was a fourth round pick despite being one of the most gifted throwers coming out of college in the mid-1990s: he lost three times each to ND and UCLA despite playing behind Tony Boselli and throwing to three WRs who have fringe-NFL hall of fame stats: Keyshawn Johnson, Johnny Morton, and Curtis Conway. All were first rounders and all had 500+ career receptions. Yet Johnson choked six times against what at the time were inferior opponents. I lived in LA at the time, and trust me, he choked.

Edited November 15, 2017 by dave mcbride

[C.Biscuit97]

26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Benching Flutie was the dumbest move in franchise history. I'm not saying past is prelude, however.

Yup. Maybe you move on after the season but it was awful karma.  Sports media would have exploded today if that happened. 

 

It also hilarious how people forget how much RJ sucked in the Titans game.  He’s the worst.

[reddogblitz]

Boldest move since benching EJ.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

Boldest move since benching EJ.

The only thing that makes me feel better about the move is they are replacing a limited veteran for the young qb, which was the opposite of the EJ One.

 

i just think the timing sucks and he looks like a liar for what he said after the game. I guess character doesn’t apply to the coaches.

[Spiderweb]

2 hours ago, Tatonka68 said:

Not against the #1 defense in 1999 plus Flutie magic.

Dont forget that our o-line was hurting if i recall. Fina was hanging on by a thread, Hicks as well... We should have won of course but that was as far as we were going. Yet Flutie never should have been benched. Good old Ralph...

[Billsfan1972]

Rob Johnson's playoff performance included a fumble and also a safety.  The 131 yards still surprises me, though very TT like in completing 13 yard passes when it was 3rd & 15 (at least 3 times).

 

Fortunately LAC has the worst home fans in football, but the Chargers are no pushovers.  

 

This is a must win and putting Peterman in is grasping at straws imo.  Follow that up with Chiefs on the road & then NE, I have no idea why worst case he could have been put in the last 4 games.

 

If the Bills lose this week, the season is over and asking a rookie to save the season is foolhardy.

 

 

[leonbus23]

Boldest since Reggie Bush reverse against the Dolphins last season. Now that was BOLD!

[The Jokeman]

9 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:

Dont forget that our o-line was hurting if i recall. Fina was hanging on by a thread, Hicks as well... We should have won of course but that was as far as we were going. Yet Flutie never should have been benched. Good old Ralph...

Hick wasn't in for the game or if he was he was out of position as pretty certain Marcus Spriggs was in that game.

[Jerome007]

3 hours ago, row_33 said:

I think both moves were best for the franchise, surprised they did this current one though.

What? Since they benched Flutie how many playoff wins? What are your criteria for what's "best for the franchise"?

 

They better have made a better move this time!

[Spiderweb]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Hick wasn't in for the game or if he was he was out of position as pretty certain Marcus Spriggs was in that game.

He got hurt. I believe there may also have been an interior guy hurting also. I do remember well that the o-line was in real bad shape...

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

"Scoreboard" is a weak way to argue. Look at the context and consider that football is a game with 22 moving parts on any play. Flutie did enough to win against a far superior opponent than the 1999 TN D; Johnson performed horribly against a middling defense.

1999 Bills 24 th in pass attempts

                   19 in Yards passing

                    2  in rushing attempts

                     8 in yards rushing.

 

The mediocre Titans D Held The:

     # 4 Colts Off. To 16 points

     # 7 Jags Off. To 14 points

     # 1 Rams Off. To 23 points

 

Flutie like Tyrod Taylor needed to go as neither were ever going to take my favorite team to the promised land.

       

[unclepete]

How did that work out?

 

Teams win games. Look at RG3 and Kapernick. They both made the playoffs and had good runs. But were on good teams. Look at Flaco and Eli. Good teams make their QBs look better. Maybe this will workout but but I’m not a fan of the timing. 

[row_33]

30 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

What? Since they benched Flutie how many playoff wins? What are your criteria for what's "best for the franchise"?

 

They better have made a better move this time!

 

Flutie never won a playoff game despite a lot of undeserved chances.

 

Oh, am I counting all the make-believe playoff wins he would have had if he started that game?

 

 

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

Hmmmmm, is there a co-relation between worshiping Doug Flutie and demanding that Tyrod stay in ?

 

Doctor?

 

 

 

the announcement today and Flutie's benching caused me to stop still and my eyes went real wide and i was shocked, has happened maybe 5 times in 40 years over sports

 

then i started smiling over the pure justice of it all

 

Exactly.

I wasn’t singing the praises of Rob Johnson.

In retrospect he was clearly a bum.

But, when it’s time to move on and it happens hope springs anew.

[row_33]

17 minutes ago, unclepete said:

How did that work out?

 

Teams win games. Look at RG3 and Kapernick. They both made the playoffs and had good runs. But were on good teams. Look at Flaco and Eli. Good teams make their QBs look better. Maybe this will workout but but I’m not a fan of the timing. 

 

RG3 got hurt and they put him back out there when he was clearly unable to play, disgusting

 

Kap just suddenly snapped, mostly in his head, and wasn't able to play at his best anymore, you could probably pinpoint the exact second it happened like when Lisa broke Ralph's heart

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Exactly.

I wasn’t singing the praises of Rob Johnson.

In retrospect he was clearly a bum.

But, when it’s time to move on and it happens hope springs anew.

 

 

The Flutie move BURNED exactly the right people that I was hoping it would. Quite enjoyable and it still isn't over with based on responses here... 

 

[unclepete]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

RG3 got hurt and they put him back out there when he was clearly unable to play, disgusting

 

Kap just suddenly snapped, mostly in his head, and wasn't able to play at his best anymore, you could probably pinpoint the exact second it happened like when Lisa broke Ralph's heart

 

 

The Flutie move BURNED exactly the right people that I was hoping it would. Quite enjoyable and it still isn't over with based on responses here... 

 

The point was Tyrod is JP Losman or EJ. He’s got enough skill to win in the right situation. We don’t know what Peterman is. We are position to draft a QB in the first round next year. Why not let Tyrod ride it out and trade or cut him next year. Being a 1st QB in and hand him the reigns?

[Buffalo Boy]

10 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

RG3 got hurt and they put him back out there when he was clearly unable to play, disgusting

 

Kap just suddenly snapped, mostly in his head, and wasn't able to play at his best anymore, you could probably pinpoint the exact second it happened like when Lisa broke Ralph's heart

 

 

The Flutie move BURNED exactly the right people that I was hoping it would. Quite enjoyable and it still isn't over with based on responses here... 

 

Man, You aren’t kidding about that brother!!

Youd have thought I called their mommas ugly?

[Helpmenow]

3 hours ago, KGun12TD said:

Great Move.

 

TT Season: 9 games played: 163/254, 64% Completed for 1684 yards with 10TDs, 3 Ints.

 

This is NOT an NFL Starting caliber QB!!!

And how many of these stats show all the safe passes and runs after catches 

[MJS]

3 hours ago, row_33 said:

I think both moves were best for the franchise, surprised they did this current one though.

 

You think benching Flutie was good for the franchise?

[GETTOTHE50]

The move had to happen.

 

If we've learned anything, it's that history repeats itself, if given the opportunity.

 

The Bills got to 4-2 last year and went down hill.

 

We also remember the other midseason collapses.

 

Tyrod plateaus by midseason. It's time to start a spark with peterman. 

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

I support the move. I just don’t see how there will be enough therapists in Buffalo if peterman doesn’t put up Brady numbers. 

This isn’t about playoffs for me. This is about seeing what we have over a decent period of time to plan for next years draft.

If he is GOOD. That would be awesome but I definitely reserve judgement a t this point.

[dave mcbride]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

1999 Bills 24 th in pass attempts

                   19 in Yards passing

                    2  in rushing attempts

                     8 in yards rushing.

 

The mediocre Titans D Held The:

     # 4 Colts Off. To 16 points

     # 7 Jags Off. To 14 points

     # 1 Rams Off. To 23 points

 

Flutie like Tyrod Taylor needed to go as neither were ever going to take my favorite team to the promised land.

       

? - A low number of passing attempts is not a bad stat! 

 

Re the Titans, look at the whole picture instead of cherry picking -- i.e., the whole season. 

 

Anyway, the Bills offense was not great in 1999. No one is arguing that. It was *average*  on the top line stats -- 16th in yards, 11th in points. It was 7th overall in offensive DVOA, however. Irrespective of Flutie's flaws, though, there is the much bigger issue of Rob Johnson: a physically talented but terrible QB his entire post-high school career. 

Edited November 15, 2017 by dave mcbride

[simool]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

? - A low number of passing attempts is not a bad stat! 

 

Re the Titans, look at the whole picture instead of cherry picking -- i.e., the whole season. 

 

Anyway, the Bills offense was not great in 1999. No one is arguing that. It was *average*  on the top line stats -- 16th in yards, 11th in points. It was 7th overall in offensive DVOA, however. Irrespective of Flutie's flaws, though, there is the much bigger issue of Rob Johnson: a physically talented but terrible QB his entire post-high school career. 

 

Bolded, underlined. for emphasis.

 

If Flutie was not on the 1999 team, we don't even make it to that wild card game. Johnson would have set the record for sacks in a single season.  I was not a huge Flutie fan, but he was clearly our best option at the time.  I always was pulling for the Dough Boy to get a shot.

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The 1999 Titans D was 25th in passing yards allowed, 27th in passing yards given up, and 20th in net yards/attempt allowed. They were 15th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed.  Yet Rob Johnson was 10-22 for 131 yards passing and took 6 sacks.

The 1998 Miami defense was 1st in points allowed, 3rd in yards allowed, 1st in INTs, and 3rd in NY/A. 

 

Yet Flutie lit them up like an Xmas tree (21/36 for 360 yards and 4 rushes for 29 yards) and Moulds had a career day (despite fumbling a perfectly thrown bomb that he had caught and which probably cost the Bills 7 points and hence the game). 

Let's stick to the facts.

 

Facts? In that game, Flutie threw an INT from inside the red zone (he did that a lot), and he was strip-sacked to end the game because he HELD ONTO THE BALL TOO LONG!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The 1999 Titans D was 25th in passing yards allowed, 27th in passing yards given up, and 20th in net yards/attempt allowed. They were 15th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed.  Yet Rob Johnson was 10-22 for 131 yards passing and took 6 sacks.

The 1998 Miami defense was 1st in points allowed, 3rd in yards allowed, 1st in INTs, and 3rd in NY/A. 

 

Yet Flutie lit them up like an Xmas tree (21/36 for 360 yards and 4 rushes for 29 yards) and Moulds had a career day (despite fumbling a perfectly thrown bomb that he had caught and which probably cost the Bills 7 points and hence the game). 

Let's stick to the facts.

 

There was also fluties EPIC goal-line gag strip-sack.

 

Awesome.

 

[McBean]

This regime isn't like others.

 

They are going down swinging bottom line.