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I think it was 60-40 on Zay. But to claim the ball was "right where it needed to be".... I just can't look at that play and see how that is the case. Zay is out of his break when Tyrod throws it.

 

EDIT: I'll leave it there though.... no need to rehash week 2's arguments. We are on to the Jets.

It's crazy to me that the biggest complaint about Tyrod (by far) is his inability to throw to a spot and always having to wait until the receiver is open before throwing. Yet when he actually did it, and the WR ran the wrong route and screwed it up, he gets lit up by the fans for that too!

 

Serious question, have you seen the replay from the endzone camera that stayed on Tyrod? There's a slow-mo version of it that shows that Tyrod was looking left up until the last second before the throw. He turned his head to the right and threw to a spot in basically one motion. He didn't have time to see Zay's break and know exactly where he was on the field. He read the defense, knew that Zay should have some room, looked off the play, and made the exact throw he was supposed to make at the exact time he was supposed to make it.

 

The only argument to the contrary that makes sense is if you are saying that he should have stared down his receiver and thrown it to where the WR was instead of where he was supposed to be. So basically to NOT be the NFL quality QB that everyone wants him to be.

 

I am not even close to a Tryod homer, and that one play has nothing to do with whether or not I think he can be a "franchise" QB, but thinking that play was his fault is just disregarding what actually happens on the field.

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Acantha - I have seen that angle. I still don't think the ball was right where it should have been. It was catchable - yes. But even if Zay had not stumbled had carried on the sloppy route and caught it based on where the ball is thrown he is down at the 5 rather than in for the TD.

 

I actually think what happened is that Tyrod did try and adjust his throw at the last minute to Zay's route. I put it more on Zay but the ball was not "right where it needed to be". I have never argued it wasn't catchable or that Zay wasn't to blame.

 

As for wanting him to make throws... yep. And I have said multiple places on this board two of my favourite Tyrod plays the past two weeks were incompletions and one of them was the play he was almost picked on last Sunday.

 

But that last play in Carolina was a mediocre throw, a bad route, and a desperate attempt at a catch.

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Acantha - I have seen that angle. I still don't think the ball was right where it should have been. It was catchable - yes. But even if Zay had not stumbled had carried on the sloppy route and caught it based on where the ball is thrown he is down at the 5 rather than in for the TD.

 

I actually think what happened is that Tyrod did try and adjust his throw at the last minute to Zay's route. I put it more on Zay but the ball was not "right where it needed to be". I have never argued it wasn't catchable or that Zay wasn't to blame.

 

As for wanting him to make throws... yep. And I have said multiple places on this board two of my favourite Tyrod plays the past two weeks were incompletions and one of them was the play he was almost picked on last Sunday.

 

But that last play in Carolina was a mediocre throw, a bad route, and a desperate attempt at a catch.

If this is the play I'm thinking of, I still contend, as a Bills homer, that Zay should have gotten the benefit there and the Refs should have thrown the flag for D PI.

so you were being difficult just for the sake of it i'm assuming? the nice ball tyrod tossed over his shoulder to him in the ATL game should have 100% been caught even though he had to stretch out for it. it was a drive killer on 3rd down at the end of the first half and the falcons proceeded to march down the field and score before halftime. I see what you're doing. you are arguing just for the sake of it. but just becuz a receiver has to stretch out for a ball doesn't mean it excuses the freaking blatant drop.

 

sunday was good to see. but isn't it a little sad that anyone has to pump up the fact that he finally had a game where he didn't drop any passes? come on man.

Have I said Zay is not at fault? No, I have not.

 

Have I said that TT could have thrown a more accurate ball? Yes. It's not a lie as he's not always dead center on target. No QB ever is.

 

I have also said you can't trust the targeted stats. This past week Zay caught in fact 4/4 one of which was OOB and (not his fault) making it 3/4.

 

The statline said Zay was 3 of 5 because Tyrod threw the ball OOB by 3 or more yards and Zay was the closest Bill in the area 5 yards from the sideline.

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Acantha - I have seen that angle. I still don't think the ball was right where it should have been. It was catchable - yes. But even if Zay had not stumbled had carried on the sloppy route and caught it based on where the ball is thrown he is down at the 5 rather than in for the TD.

 

My last input (because it really is water under the bridge) :

 

Zay's heroic attempt at a catch was caused by two factors : (1) He didn't track the ball until it was literally right on top of him, and (2) That caused a panicked play on the ball, because it was coming on the inside, not the outside. That caused him to slow, twist his body and jump nearly vertically. Just locate the pass a split-second sooner, and he could have ran it out, pulling it in over his left shoulder. Route aside (and I've never heard anyone confirm what route was called), it was solely the difference between inside and out. Jones couldn't adjust to the pass coming in on a different side of his body.

 

So to assign blame, there's two steps :

 

(1) Jones' ball awareness (or lack thereof) prevented him from making the simplest adjustment to play the ball. That's so fundamental you could stop right there. Receivers running long routes track the pass and adjust to it's path; you see it every game. And given Zay's stumbling twisting leaping attempt still resulted in the ball slipping thru his fingers, the adjustment would have been negligible - if Jones hadn't put himself in a position where it was impossible to do so.

 

(2) The maximum blame left for Taylor comes (a) if you assume it was a front pylon route, which puts his pass slightly inside where it should be, which I do, (b) if you think Zay's natural expectation would be to look for the ball on the outside - which is probably fair, and ( c) if you think Taylor's leading the play inside wasn't for cause. Assume all three, and you get to 70-30, Jones/Taylor

 

But it sure looked like it was for cause. Where Jones was expecting the ball would have led right into coverage and then out of bounds. Where Taylor put the ball was away from coverage, into open space and towards the endzone. I think he was throwing to a clear spot and expected Jones to adjust. That would have been automatic with Watkins; Jones was just a little too inexperienced.

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If this is the play I'm thinking of, I still contend, as a Bills homer, that Zay should have gotten the benefit there and the Refs should have thrown the flag for D PI.

 

 

The Bills play calling that day was utterly pathetic. Their game plan was terrible and I blame the lions share of the loss on that. On the final drive the Bills were moving the ball well until the OPI call. Would certainly have been nice for a makeup call there but it's hard to do when Zay tripped himself. Won't put the loss on the ref as I subscribe to the theory of it's your fault that your in a position where one call can cost you the game but I hated that OPI call. The Bills were moving the ball right down the field before that and it put them in a giant hole.

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I grade each snap taken during the season and have Taylor ranked 15th among starting quarterbacks so far this year. He finished each of the last two seasons no lower than No. 18 in the QB Index. Pro Football Focus has him ranked ninth this season, and he's currently 16th in passer rating with 10 touchdowns against three interceptions. Not to mention, Taylor boasts one of the best skill sets as a runner in football. He's a capable starter in a league short on them, but the Bills clearly don't want him. This is the type of move that teams don't look back from.

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On 10/4/2017 at 4:36 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

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Ranking all 32 NFL starting QBs through Week 4 (3:06)

These numbers say through week 4, where is he now through week 9.

 

Sorry, should have read this thread all the way through.   Please move on, carry on.

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Rosenthal: Ranking all 32 starting QBs in the NFL

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With one quarter of the regular season to go, Rivers and Roethlisberger are two of the familiar names back near the top of the QB Index. They grew to be familiar names for a reason.
 

This is the Quarterback Index. The QBs are ranked based on 2017 play only. This updated list reflects changes from the midseason rankings.

 

 

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Wentz is an 85 and Taylor an 84.3?    What the :censored: is up with that :censored: 

 

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It's a conspiracy...the media is trying to convince the Bills to keep Tyrod so that a top QB prospect doesn't get wasted in  Buffalo (that's how the media feels, imo)...only select markets are allowed to succeed...never forget "Just give it to them"...you would never hear a ref saying that in favor of the Bills. :ph34r:

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23 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said:

17 ?      Which qb's is he doing dirty to come up

with that ? 

In order:

 

McCown

Winston

Dalton

Eli

Brissett

Bortles

Flacco

Cutler

Gabbert

Siemian

Trubisky

Kizer

Savage

Hundley

 

Some might make a case for a couple of those QBs, but IMO none of them are unreasonably lower than Tyrod is.  People need to realize that just because Tyrod isn't franchise doesn't mean he is the worst in the league.  There are a lot of bad starting QBs out there.

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9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

In order:

 

McCown

Winston

Dalton

Eli

Brissett

Bortles

Flacco

Cutler

Gabbert

Siemian

Trubisky

Kizer

Savage

Hundley

 

Some might make a case for a couple of those QBs, but IMO none of them are unreasonably lower than Tyrod is.  People need to realize that just because Tyrod isn't franchise doesn't mean he is the worst in the league.  There are a lot of bad starting QBs out there.

You were wrong from the jump.  McCown is clearly superior.

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10. TYROD TAYLOR, BUFFALO BILLS – 82.7 OVERALL GRADE

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-grade-after-week-13

And this is EXACTLY why I take PFF with a grain of salt. Does anyone, other than the racial driven bobbleheads, TRULY want to try to argue Tyrod as a top 10 QB in this league? He's not. 15-20ish out of the starting group? Maybe. Nothing more than. 

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Just now, H2o said:

And this is EXACTLY why I take PFF with a grain of salt. Does anyone, other than the racial driven bobbleheads, TRULY want to try to argue Tyrod as a top 10 QB in this league? He's not. 15-20ish out of the starting group? Maybe. Nothing more than. 

 

Racial bobbleheads?   Okay. :wacko:   Definitely agree with the bolded. That's why you can't just look at numbers such as theirs. 

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Racial bobbleheads?   Okay. :wacko:   Definitely agree with the bolded. That's why you can't just look at numbers such as theirs. 

Yeah, the ones on the "major" sports networks who try to make everything about race these days. It's ridiculous. They take numbers like these then try to paint a picture of "oppression" if a guy gets benched for reasons that us fans see week in and week out. 

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Yeah, the ones on the "major" sports networks who try to make everything about race these days. It's ridiculous. They take numbers like these then try to paint a picture of "oppression" if a guy gets benched for reasons that us fans see week in and week out. 

 

Who cares?  Enjoy the ride.

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TRADE CANDIDATES

2) Tyrod Taylor, Buffalo Bills: Tyrod's future was similarly foggy a year ago at this time, playing for an organization that was ambivalent about him. While Taylor outlasted former coach Rex Ryan and general manager Doug Whaley, Tyrod appears even less likely to remain in Buffalo this time around. Due a $6 million roster bonus on the third day of the league year and $16 million overall, Taylor could have trade value. NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that the Bills are expected to explore that value before any potential release.

 

(Barring, of course, a miracle run through the playoffs that the city of Buffalo deserves.)

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In last week's episode, I examined the players who could be available in the 2018 quarterback market. But which teams will be looking to make a change?

Below is a look at the teams that should be most aggressive in seeking a new quarterback this offseason, with a few curveballs thrown in.

(Just want to mainline the 2017 season rankings at quarterback? Head to the bottom of the page.)

A CHANGE IS GONNA COME

Buffalo Bills: For the second straight year, the Bills are set to enter an awkward dance with starter Tyrod Taylor, in which the team simultaneously gauges what's available on the market and what Taylor could fetch in a trade with a year left on his contract. Last year, the two sides got stuck with each other because neither could do any better. Don't expect that to happen again.

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Could a change in offensive scheme spark wonders for Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers and Seattle Seahawks passer Russell Wilson? Gregg Rosenthal thinks so, and says six other QBs would also benefit from a coaching change.
 
UPDATED 2017 QB RANKINGS

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming, the updated 2017 quarterback rankings. These are based on this season's play only, and I capped the rankings at 12 players because there was such a big drop-off after Goff. There will be a complete ranking of 32 starters to come after Week 17.

 

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16. Tyrod Taylor, Buffalo Bills
 

 

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PFF Analysts Steve Palazzolo and Zac Robinson give you an overview of every team’s quarterback, and where they rank in terms of overall PFF grade as well as detailed notes on a select few who stood out for good, or bad, reasons in Week 16.

 

11. TYROD TAYLOR, BUFFALO BILLS – 84.0 OVERALL GRADE

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PFF Analysts Steve Palazzolo and Zac Robinson give you an overview of every team’s quarterback, and where they rank in terms of overall PFF grade as well as detailed notes on a select few who stood out for good, or bad, reasons in Week 16.

 

11. TYROD TAYLOR, BUFFALO BILLS – 84.0 OVERALL GRADE

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11th rated QB.

What are we saying here?

2018 is final year of TT contract.

Are you saying we should keep TT and give him a 4year 85-95 million, 38 million guarantee contract?

 

If not, we get rid of him after his contract is up next year?

 

I'm serious about what the TT supporters want.

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It's just funny how some here are legitimately saying Taylor's the 30-35th best QB in the NFL. :doh:

 

I want to upgrade, but Taylor's been a welcome surprise in his time in Buffalo.

 

That's exactly where he fits. 

 

Can't bring a team back from any sort of deficit. Can't run a modern passing offense. Needs literally EVERYTHING to go right in the running game, on defense, and on special teams for his team to pull out a win. Doesn't turn the ball over. Can run for the occasional first down to extend a drive or get into FG range. Excellent in the locker room and in the film room. 

 

Sounds like the ideal backup QB. 

 

Or, 30-35th at the position in the NFL. 

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