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[uticaclub]

 

Tyrod was 20-26 for 213 yards against DEN with 2 TDs with 8 carries for 13 yards. Against ATL he was 12-20 for 182 yards and 1 TD with 7 carries for 12 yards. Were his RB skills a key in either game? Again, this is nonsense.

and both games we relied on 50+ yard FGs to win, something you can't count on in December. 3 TDs in 2 games in not good enough to consistently win in today's NFL

[SaviorPeterman]

Tyrod plays a game that bolsters his passer rating. Holding the ball and taking sacks isn't factored in. 3 and outs are not factored in.

 

Yes, he makes some great throws, but an equal amount of true head-scratchers. The games when he is most effective, it is his RB skills that make the difference.

 

I am not trying to beat down tyrod, he has done fine for what he is, but lets not pretend he is actually in the top 10 of QBs.

 

I still think we can win with him, but he will never carry the team, do it on his own, or scare teams with his pocket passing. If you keep him in the pocket, he is very very average.

 

This is what all the critics have always maintained.

 

It's Trent Edwards ball so to speak and that's what Taylor is if you took away his mobility.

 

And I get that we are lacking weapons in the passing game but sometimes throwing the ball downfield can simply make things happen (i.e. pass interference) and open up the offense. Either way something needs to change in a hurry or we have yet to see this offense truly hit rock bottom.

[26CornerBlitz]

and both games we relied on 50+ yard FGs to win, something you can't count on in December. 3 TDs in 2 games in not good enough to consistently win in today's NFL

 

This is a completely different point that has nothing to do with refuting the assertion that Tyrod is only effective when using RB skills.

[LABILLBACKER]

Taylor is playing smart, avoiding turnovers and doing just enough to win. The TD throw to Jordan Matthews was the real deal. Do more of that and he will persuade the persuadable.

The view that Tyrod is not a franchise qb is not equivalent to saying he is a terrible qb. He has exceeded my expectations so far this year. I hope he continues to do so, but I will still be surprised if he establishes himself as a true franchise qb.

Wake me up when he has a late 4th qtr winning drive.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Wake me up when he has a late 4th qtr winning drive.

Not his fault you slept through the ones Tyrod's had.

[Dr. Who]

Wake me up when he has a late 4th qtr winning drive.

You might be sleeping longer than Rip Van Winkle

Not his fault you slept through the ones Tyrod's had.

Nah, never let the facts get in the way of a good joke. He needs to do better, still, imo.

 

It would help, of course, if his wide receiver corps wasn't so wretched.

Edited October 12, 2017 by Dr. Who

[BuffaloHokie13]

You might be sleeping longer than Rip Van Winkle

Nah, never let the facts get in the way of a good joke. He needs to do better, still, imo.

No doubt. At least he has a Defense to keep him in games this year. I suspect more will come as we get healthy again (if we get behind in the first place).

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

LABILLBACKER, on 12 Oct 2017 - 3:05 PM, said:

Wake me up when he has a late 4th qtr winning drive.

 

Not his fault you slept through the ones Tyrod's had.

All 3 of them?

 

 

 

easy now. I'm just kidding around

[BuffaloHokie13]

All 3 of them?

 

 

 

easy now. I'm just kidding around

Yep. 8.8% of his 34 starts.

[26CornerBlitz]

Quarterback rankings: Lights, camera, Carson!

Carson Wentz is establishing himself as one of the most exciting playmakers in the NFL. Where does the Eagles' second-year signal caller sit in Gregg Rosenthal's updated QB pecking order?

[Scott7975]

Wake me up when he has a late 4th qtr winning drive.

 

Titans

1. Buffalo Bills at 09:36
2. 4-R.Succop kicks 65 yards from TEN 35 to end zone, Touchback.
3. 1-10-BUF 20 (9:36) 26-A.Dixon right tackle to BUF 22 for 2 yards (59-W.Woodyard).
4. 2-8-BUF 22 (8:58) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass incomplete short left to 18-P.Harvin.
5. 3-8-BUF 22 (8:54) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass short left to 18-P.Harvin to BUF 32 for 10 yards (29-P.Cox). PENALTY on BUF-66-S.Henderson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BUF 22 - No Play.
6. 3-18-BUF 12 (8:35) (Shotgun) PENALTY on BUF-66-S.Henderson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 12 - No Play.
7. 3-23-BUF 7 (8:17) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor scrambles up the middle to BUF 31 for 24 yards (55-Z.Brown). BUF-5-T.Taylor was injured during the play. His return is Probable. PENALTY on TEN-55-Z.Brown, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at BUF 31.
8. 1-10-BUF 46 (7:58) 38-D.Herron left guard to BUF 47 for 1 yard (99-J.Casey). TEN-99-J.Casey was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
9. 2-9-BUF 47 (7:38) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass deep right to 15-C.Hogan to TEN 7 for 46 yards (21-D.Searcy).
10. Timeout #1 by BUF at 06:51.
11. 1-7-TEN 7 (6:51) 26-A.Dixon right tackle to TEN 6 for 1 yard (91-D.Morgan; 33-M.Griffin).
12. 2-6-TEN 6 (6:14) (Shotgun) 15-C.Hogan pass short left to 5-T.Taylor to TEN 2 for 4 yards (29-P.Cox).
13. 3-2-TEN 2 (5:30) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass short right to 15-C.Hogan for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
14. 2-D.Carpenter extra point is GOOD, Center-65-G.Sanborn, Holder-6-C.Schmidt.
16. BUF 14 TEN 13 Plays: 8 Possession: 4:11

Texans

 

 

Bills bounce Texans, 30-21, thanks to Taylor's late TD toss

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. - Tyrod Taylor threw a 40-yard touchdown pass to Charles Clay with 1:53 left to lead the Buffalo Bills to a 30-21 win over the Houston Texans on Sunday.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

Titans

• Buffalo Bills at 09:36
• 4-R.Succop kicks 65 yards from TEN 35 to end zone, Touchback.
• 1-10-BUF 20 (9:36) 26-A.Dixon right tackle to BUF 22 for 2 yards (59-W.Woodyard).
• 2-8-BUF 22 (8:58) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass incomplete short left to 18-P.Harvin.
• 3-8-BUF 22 (8:54) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass short left to 18-P.Harvin to BUF 32 for 10 yards (29-P.Cox). PENALTY on BUF-66-S.Henderson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BUF 22 - No Play.
• 3-18-BUF 12 (8:35) (Shotgun) PENALTY on BUF-66-S.Henderson, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 12 - No Play.
• 3-23-BUF 7 (8:17) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor scrambles up the middle to BUF 31 for 24 yards (55-Z.Brown). BUF-5-T.Taylor was injured during the play. His return is Probable. PENALTY on TEN-55-Z.Brown, Horse Collar Tackle, 15 yards, enforced at BUF 31.
• 1-10-BUF 46 (7:58) 38-D.Herron left guard to BUF 47 for 1 yard (99-J.Casey). TEN-99-J.Casey was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.
• 2-9-BUF 47 (7:38) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass deep right to 15-C.Hogan to TEN 7 for 46 yards (21-D.Searcy).
• Timeout #1 by BUF at 06:51.
• 1-7-TEN 7 (6:51) 26-A.Dixon right tackle to TEN 6 for 1 yard (91-D.Morgan; 33-M.Griffin).
• 2-6-TEN 6 (6:14) (Shotgun) 15-C.Hogan pass short left to 5-T.Taylor to TEN 2 for 4 yards (29-P.Cox).
• 3-2-TEN 2 (5:30) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass short right to 15-C.Hogan for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
• 2-D.Carpenter extra point is GOOD, Center-65-G.Sanborn, Holder-6-C.Schmidt.
• BUF 14 TEN 13 Plays: 8 Possession: 4:11

Texans

 

Bills bounce Texans, 30-21, thanks to Taylor's late TD toss

 

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. - Tyrod Taylor threw a 40-yard touchdown pass to Charles Clay with 1:53 left to lead the Buffalo Bills to a 30-21 win over the Houston Texans on Sunday.

Uh, well...wake me when he has three of them.

Edited October 19, 2017 by PromoTheRobot

[Scott7975]

Uh, well...wake me when he has three of them.

K well. I hope to never have them again as I hope to be leading on the scoreboard well before that =)

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

Titans

 

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Texans

Bills bounce Texans, 30-21, thanks to Taylor's late TD toss

 

Lets stop right there for a second and reflect on what was if you don't mind.

 

The Titans were coming into the Buffalo game after their BYE and a 1-2 record and one of those was a loss to the Browns.

 

The Titans were a 3 Win team in 2015 and we managed to win by 1 point 14-13. Yes, because of TT's heroics. It never should have been that close.

 

Texans?

The Bills were up 21 - 13 at the half, neither team scored in the 3rd QTR. The game was tied early in the 4th. All Buffalo needed was a FG to win. A TIE is not a comeback.

 

4 th

9:12 Texans DeAndre Hopkins 19 yard pass from Brian Hoyer (Jonathan Grimes run) 21 21

1:53 Bills Charles Clay 40 yard pass from Tyrod Taylor 21 27

0:33 Bills Dan Carpenter 36 yard field goal 21 30

Looks like the Defense stopped them and the Bills got the additional FG from it.

Edited October 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[StevieJohnsonGOAT]

Rookie Deshaun Watson has 15 TD's in his last 4 games. Tyrod had 17 all of last year. Tyrod is not even in the same league as the top QBs. Putting him in the top 10 QBs is absolutely hilarious

[BuffaloHokie13]

 

Lets stop right there for a second and reflect on what was if you don't mind.

 

The Titans were coming into Buffalo after their BYE and a 1-2 record and one of those was a loss to the Browns.

 

The Titans were a 3 Win team in 2015 and we managed to win by 1 point 14-13. Yes, because of TT's heroics. It never should have been that close.

 

Texans?

The Bills were up 21 - 13 at the half, neither team scored in the 3rd QTR. The game was tied early in the 4th. All Buffalo needed was a FG to win. A TIE is not a comeback.

 

4 th

9:12 Texans DeAndre Hopkins 19 yard pass from Brian Hoyer (Jonathan Grimes run) 21 21

1:53 Bills Charles Clay 40 yard pass from Tyrod Taylor 21 27

0:33 Bills Dan Carpenter 36 yard field goal 21 30

Looks like the Defense stopped them and the Bills got the additional FG from it.

 

The game was in Tennessee, not Buffalo. It's a 4th quarter comeback, on the road, with no Sammy or Shady, and with Boobie Dixon, Boom Herron, and Cierre Wood as your RBs. It was ugly, but there is no denying he put the team on his back that day.

[26CornerBlitz]

The game was in Tennessee, not Buffalo. It's a 4th quarter comeback, on the road, with no Sammy or Shady, and with Boobie Dixon, Boom Herron, and Cierre Wood as your RBs. It was ugly, but there is no denying he put the team on his back that day.

 

He did it on one leg at that after the horsecollar tackle by Zach Brown.

[Scott7975]

 

Lets stop right there for a second and reflect on what was if you don't mind.

 

The Titans were coming into Buffalo after their BYE and a 1-2 record and one of those was a loss to the Browns.

 

The Titans were a 3 Win team in 2015 and we managed to win by 1 point 14-13. Yes, because of TT's heroics. It never should have been that close.

 

Texans?

The Bills were up 21 - 13 at the half, neither team scored in the 3rd QTR. The game was tied early in the 4th. All Buffalo needed was a FG to win. A TIE is not a comeback.

 

4 th

9:12 Texans DeAndre Hopkins 19 yard pass from Brian Hoyer (Jonathan Grimes run) 21 21

1:53 Bills Charles Clay 40 yard pass from Tyrod Taylor 21 27

0:33 Bills Dan Carpenter 36 yard field goal 21 30

 

Looks like the Defense stopped them and the Bills got the additional FG from it.

I disagree with you but let's not argue about it. Tyrod has enough negatives that people dont need to sit there and try and make excuses about why positive things that Tyrod does do aren't really positive.

 

He is not the worst QB in the league. Is he good enough for a superbowl. Most likely no but he is good enough to play this year and keep us afloat until they get a franchise QB.

 

None of us make QB decisions. To continually harp on the guy is unnecessary. The large majority of people know who he is and isnt. He gets almost no credit in wins and too much blame in losses.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The game was in Tennessee, not Buffalo. It's a 4th quarter comeback, on the road, with no Sammy or Shady, and with Boobie Dixon, Boom Herron, and Cierre Wood as your RBs. It was ugly, but there is no denying he put the team on his back that day.

fixed my poor syntax

the Bills were up 7 points gong into the 4th QTR and then it was a tie.

 

a come back is when you TRAIL in a game.

I disagree with you but let's not argue about it. Tyrod has enough negatives that people dont need to sit there and try and make excuses about why positive things that Tyrod does do aren't really positive.

 

He is not the worst QB in the league. Is he good enough for a superbowl. Most likely no but he is good enough to play this year and keep us afloat until they get a franchise QB.

 

None of us make QB decisions. To continually harp on the guy is unnecessary. The large majority of people know who he is and isnt. He gets almost no credit in wins and too much blame in losses.

I'm not trying to argue. I was trying to point out that imo the game against a very bad team shouldn't have needed heroics.

I did not deny that TT won that game on the last drive. just added some perspective

[BuffaloHokie13]

fixed my poor syntax

the Bills were up 7 points gong into the 4th QTR and then it was a tie.

 

a come back is when you TRAIL in a game.

I'm not trying to argue. I was trying to point out that imo the game against a very bad team shouldn't have needed heroics.

I did not deny that TT won that game on the last drive. just added some perspective

The Bills never led by more than one, and trailed by 10 at one point. You're adding very specific perspective and ignoring the fact that he did almost everything that he "isn't" capable of.

- 4th Quarter Comeback

- Road division game

- No Sammy or Shady

- Won without a dominant run game

 

Just stop. Your selective memory is bad. Move on to another topic or a different point.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The Bills never led by more than one, and trailed by 10 at one point. You're adding very specific perspective and ignoring the fact that he did almost everything that he "isn't" capable of.

- 4th Quarter Comeback

- Road division game

- No Sammy or Shady

- Won without a dominant run game

 

Just stop. Your selective memory is bad. Move on to another topic or a different point.

Lets be clear .....

 

All stats are subjective to a specific perspective

 

A tie isn't a comeback when you had the lead for most of the game.

 

"No Sammy" is moot at this point because the Bills have the same record as last season with Sammy as w/o.

 

in addition Sammy had been "forgotten" in a number of games when the Bills have had leads - KC in 15 and Oak in 16

 

With that said. I'll move on.

Edited October 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[BuffaloHokie13]

It was never tied, except when the game started at 0-0. You're thinking of Houston. A game I hadn't even mentioned until now.

 

And stats are not subjective. How people present them is, however.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

The game was in Tennessee, not Buffalo. It's a 4th quarter comeback, on the road, with no Sammy or Shady, and with Boobie Dixon, Boom Herron, and Cierre Wood as your RBs. It was ugly, but there is no denying he put the team on his back that day.

 

He also played hurt...

What about Miami last year? I know we inevitably lost... but 330 yards passing 60 more on the ground with 3 TDs. Down 28-14 at one point in the 3rd quarter, and down 28-24 with 4 minutes left in the game and the ball on the 11. Drove down and scored a TD.

 

Then in OT drove down for a FG, which carpenter missed (dubious playcall with that terrible reggie bush play). Then MORE dubious playcalling when we punted on 4th and 2 from the dolphins 40 with like 4 minutes left in overtime. We had 600 yards of offense and you can't trust them to get 2? I'm not going to dig into our playoff odds there at that moment, but it was pretty much punting away the season.

 

Either way - that looks a lot like a 4th quarter comeback.

Edited October 19, 2017 by dneveu

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

ummm....wtf? did SDS sell out o the Buffalo News? WHAT IS GOING ON?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

It was never tied, except when the game started at 0-0. You're thinking of Houston. A game I hadn't even mentioned until now.

 

And stats are not subjective. How people present them is, however.

Yes, I was talking about Houston. Not Tennessee.

 

Both were listed as a comeback.

It was never tied, except when the game started at 0-0. You're thinking of Houston. A game I hadn't even mentioned until now.

 

And stats are not subjective. How people present them is, however.

yes, again pardon my poor syntax. (seems to be my word of the day)

[BuffaloHokie13]

Yes, I was talking about Houston. Not Tennessee.

 

Both were listed as a comeback.

 

yes, again pardon my poor syntax. (seems to be my word of the day)

No, they weren't. They were listed as "late 4th qtr winning drives"

[transplantbillsfan]

 

Lets stop right there for a second and reflect on what was if you don't mind.

 

The Titans were coming into the Buffalo game after their BYE and a 1-2 record and one of those was a loss to the Browns.

 

The Titans were a 3 Win team in 2015 and we managed to win by 1 point 14-13. Yes, because of TT's heroics. It never should have been that close.

 

Texans?

The Bills were up 21 - 13 at the half, neither team scored in the 3rd QTR. The game was tied early in the 4th. All Buffalo needed was a FG to win. A TIE is not a comeback.

 

4 th

9:12 Texans DeAndre Hopkins 19 yard pass from Brian Hoyer (Jonathan Grimes run) 21 21

1:53 Bills Charles Clay 40 yard pass from Tyrod Taylor 21 27

0:33 Bills Dan Carpenter 36 yard field goal 21 30

Looks like the Defense stopped them and the Bills got the additional FG from it.

 

 

Oh what a buncha horse manure.

 

I absolutely loathe this type of logic when it's coming from someone who rejects similar logic that just doesn't fit his narrative.

 

 

Shady, what you're bring up here are situational circumstances that favored Taylor in these two games as proof that what Taylor did was purely luck on some level and insinuating that Taylor needs a ton of luck to accomplish this.

 

Yet, time and time and time again you dismiss the situational circumstances that worked in opposition to Taylor in terms of bringing his team back. Like the Miami game to end last year that your pal you claim to ignore but don't constantly brings up. Or the Seattle game last year with the ref screwing us on the FG to end the half or screwing us out of a PI to end the game. Or the refs screwing up an obvious 1st down catch by Hogan in the KC game last year that Rex further screwed up by not challenging the call. Or Zay Jones not being able to catch the damn football. Or 2 TDs that would have at least tied the game against the Giants last year called back on at least questionable, if not phantom penalties. Or...

 

 

Yet, those situational circumstances are taboo to discuss. But the ones that allowed Taylor to mount those 2 comebacks or GWDs must be scrutinized.

 

Spectacular hypocrisy.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I thought you were ignoring me

[transplantbillsfan]

I thought you were ignoring me

Huh? When did I ever say I would ignore you?

 

You're thinking of the advice that you constantly give that you don't follow yourself with Jm.

 

I'm an adult. I can carry on conversations with people I disagree with.

 

Was this post your way of ignoring addressing the hypocrisy I brought up?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

So, now Im a child?

 

👌

No, they weren't. They were listed as "late 4th qtr winning drives"

Ok. 3 comebacks / 4 game winning drives.

 

In 2.3 seasons.

😁

[Billsmovinup]

People will gripe(and justifiably so) until Tyrod does what David Carr did last night which was basically save Oaklands season with his arm on the last drive of the game. I like Tyrod. Plays smart. Makes a couple big plays a game. Doesnt turn the ball over but if he wants to be the guy he has to do what carr did once in a while. Its the difference between 9-7 and 11-5 or 12-4. Its really that simple. Dont think you have to drastically be on one side or the other to acknowledge that.

[GunnerBill]

People will gripe(and justifiably so) until Tyrod does what David Carr did last night which was basically save Oaklands season with his arm on the last drive of the game. I like Tyrod. Plays smart. Makes a couple big plays a game. Doesnt turn the ball over but if he wants to be the guy he has to do what carr did once in a while. Its the difference between 9-7 and 11-5 or 12-4. Its really that simple. Dont think you have to drastically be on one side or the other to acknowledge that.

 

Correct. He had the ball to do it against Carolina. He had to ball to do it against the Bengals. Couldn't get it done. Not all on him... that is true. But eventually he has to make it happen despite the circumstance.

[Dr. Who]

People will gripe(and justifiably so) until Tyrod does what David Carr did last night which was basically save Oaklands season with his arm on the last drive of the game. I like Tyrod. Plays smart. Makes a couple big plays a game. Doesnt turn the ball over but if he wants to be the guy he has to do what carr did once in a while. Its the difference between 9-7 and 11-5 or 12-4. Its really that simple. Dont think you have to drastically be on one side or the other to acknowledge that.

Well stated. That's what a true franchise qb does and if you want long-term success and a real chance to win super bowls, you need one.

[transplantbillsfan]

So, now Im a child?

 

👌

Still avoiding the point, eh?

[LABILLBACKER]

This is what 17 years of mediocrity does to a fanbase. You settle for a qb who's sorta decent but everyone knows won't ever lead you to a SB. The next step is to justify his play by exemplifying his positives and pretending his flaws don't factor. I can't wait to politely say goodbye to Tyrod and draft Mason Rudolph. And while I sleep have ee all come to agreement on Tyrod's 1 come from behind late 4th qtr winning td.

Edited October 21, 2017 by LABILLBACKER

[Real McClappy]

This is what 17 years of mediocrity does to a fanbase. You settle for a qb who's sorta decent but everyone knows won't ever lead you to a SB. The next step is to justify his play by exemplifying his positives and pretending his flaws don't factor. I can't wait to politely say goodbye to Tyrod and draft Mason Rudolph. And while I sleep have ee all come to agreement on Tyrod's 1 come from behind late 4th qtr winning td.

Well said.

 

Thank you

[26CornerBlitz]

QB rankings: Wentz hits No. 3; Goff out of top 15

This is the Quarterback Index. The QBs are ranked based on 2017 play only. The next ranking of all 32 starters comes after Week 8.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

QB rankings: Wentz hits No. 3; Goff out of top 15

 

 

b..... bu.... but we've been told he's a below average QB...?

 

 

He must be... I mean, afterall...

 

 

 

 

 

 

YARDS!!!!

[HappyDays]

That describes Tyrod perfectly. He is not in the top tier of NFL QBs, we all know that. But he fits in with a bunch of other guys just outside the top tier and its hard to separate them because they all have different skill sets and completely different offenses built around them.

[Stank_Nasty]

That describes Tyrod perfectly. He is not in the top tier of NFL QBs, we all know that. But he fits in with a bunch of other guys just outside the top tier and its hard to separate them because they all have different skill sets and completely different offenses built around them.

i was just gonna say this... its 100% accurate... bout 6 or 7 real superstars at the position and then on any given sunday the next 10 guys are basically interchangeable based on opponent, supporting cast and injuries. taylor is in that jumble. for now they try and surround him with some defense and run game, stay competitive and still go about finding the replacement that wont get lost in that interchangeable jumble in order to someday be consistent contenders.