cba fan Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) As it is obvious Bills are tanking and may or may not trade up for a QB next year, I can not find a single trade up that Bills did in the past that worked out. Think about that when Watkins and Darby are playing in the Pro Bowl next year before the draft. Edited August 12, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 JP, TJ Graham and John McCargo. All fantastic moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Um ... Cornelius Bennett. He is arguably one of the 10 best players in franchise history. Edited August 12, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Um ... Cornelius Bennett. He is arguably one of the 10 best players in franchise history. Great trade and we traded a ton for him, but it really wasn't a "trade up" in the draft. He refused to sign with Indy who drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Andy Levitre ? Still first contract and out but he played well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Ryan denney was a great.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 The OP is correct that in the last 7-8 years not a single trade where out team traded up in the draft has worked out Yet we keep doing it, or rather every new set of mgmt does it, and folks continually cheer it on However we have more success with trades outside the draft jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Um ... Cornelius Bennett. He is arguably one of the 10 best players in franchise history. I see how you would try to make the connection there about it being a trade-up, however, does not quite meet the criteria. IE: a true trade up is acquiring the pick and then making the pick. Not letting some other team set the draft pick spot value of the player by making the pick first. EX: if Bills had traded up with Colts for the pick that Colts choose Bennet with, there is no way of knowing that Bills would have picked Bennet. They may have had other players graded higher and picked one of them instead. Bills only got interested after draft when it became clear Colts could not sign him. another ex: No one refers to Eli Manning and P Rivers swap a draft trade up. It was just a trade because both players were the property of a team at that time. Just my opinion. Edited August 12, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Eric Wood? That's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) It's not even just the Bills - trade ups for QBs (especially to the top of the draft) have rarely ever worked out for the team trading up. Eli Manning. But I don't really think that one counts, as Eli absolutely DEMANDED a trade. He was going to suit o,saying football and go into law (IIRC) if he was not traded. And even then the trade may not have happened if the NYG didn't have Philip Rivers going back the other way to SD. So that was the rarest of rare circumstances surrounding that trade. The only other trade up (to the top of the draft) for a QB I can think of that more/less worked out is Michael Vick way back in 2001, and that was before mobile QBs were as nearly popular as they are today. Vick really took mobile QBs to a different level. The trade up for Joe Flacco has worked out, but that was only trading up to pick #18. I know you weren't just referring to trade up's for QBs, though. Edit - I guess one (or more) of Goff/Wentz/Mahomes/Watson could work out. We will have to wait and see I guess. Edited August 12, 2017 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 When was last time we traded up for a Qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 It's not trading up that has hurt its scouting. I still believe Sammy will be a star so let's leave him out of this conversation. The guys that they traded up for are McCargo, Losman, TJ Graham, Ragland, etc... They identified the wrong guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Let's just hope they identify the right guy his time. A lot of people's jobs depend on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Let's just hope they identify the right guy his time. A lot of people's jobs depend on itAmen to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) It's difficult to win a blockbuster trade up early in a draft. The Julio Jones scenarios are rare, but they do exist. There's a good reason for that - it's because teams moving up are usually a lot more desperate than the ones moving back. Often the regime doesn't have much to lose because they are under a lot of pressure to improve immediately. The GM and/or HC doesn't much care about next year's picks because they won't be around for that draft anyway if they don't improve. Stable regimes take advantage of those teams in those situations. The moral of the story isn't "Never trade up!" it is ""Don't trade up out of desperation." Trust your process and player evaluations so you don't talk yourselves into chasing a mirage. Edited August 12, 2017 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BLUES Brothers Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 It could have - We coulda/shoulda traded up just prior to Steelers pick when they grabbed Big Ben...Bills had said they had liked him. Good news is there could be several QBs of promise this year - IF they all declare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 It's not even just the Bills - trade ups for QBs (especially to the top of the draft) have rarely ever worked out for the team trading up. Eli Manning. But I don't really think that one counts, as Eli absolutely DEMANDED a trade. He was going to suit o,saying football and go into law (IIRC) if he was not traded. And even then the trade may not have happened if the NYG didn't have Philip Rivers going back the other way to SD. So that was the rarest of rare circumstances surrounding that trade. The only other trade up (to the top of the draft) for a QB I can think of that more/less worked out is Michael Vick way back in 2001, and that was before mobile QBs were as nearly popular as they are today. Vick really took mobile QBs to a different level. The trade up for Joe Flacco has worked out, but that was only trading up to pick #18. I know you weren't just referring to trade up's for QBs, though. Edit - I guess one (or more) of Goff/Wentz/Mahomes/Watson could work out. We will have to wait and see I guess. I see your and dog's point, but basically, the Bills gave up a ton of draft capital in a draft related move. Technically, it wasn't a "trade up" on draft day, but practically speaking, it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Eric Wood? That's about it. Eric Wood was with the Pick from Philly for Jason Peters .. I like Woody .. but in hindsight .. would of preferred Peters sitting at LT for the past 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Wasn't Jim Kelly a trade up. We gave up the rights to Tom Cousino (sp) and got a pick, not a true trade up, but did also work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 As it is obvious Bills are tanking and may or may not trade up for a QB next year, I can not find a single trade up that Bills did in the past that worked out. Think about that when Watkins and Darby are playing in the Pro Bowl next year before the draft. Did Beane do those trades? No he did not so not a god comparison. With Goff throwing to Watkins, long shot for pro bowl. Darby has a better chance in a good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Hopefully Zay jones, or else yesterday is going to look pretty dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Let's just hope they identify the right guy his time. A lot of people's jobs depend on itOr let's just hope they get smart and don't trade up.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Did Beane do those trades? No he did not so not a god comparison. With Goff throwing to Watkins, long shot for pro bowl. Darby has a better chance in a good defense. No, Beane did not make those trades nor any others for that matter. He's been a G M for what? Three months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I see your and dog's point, but basically, the Bills gave up a ton of draft capital in a draft related move. Technically, it wasn't a "trade up" on draft day, but practically speaking, it was. Honestly, I was really only referring to the risk in trading up for a QB. I've seen it talked about a whole lot ever since we acquired that extra Chiefs 1st, and while I'm not opposed to it, trading up to the top of a draft for a QB is definitely a huge risk that has rarely ever worked out for the team trading up. I 100% agree that the Cornelius Bennett trade was an amazing one for the Bills. He instantly put that defense over the top, and I'd make that trade again 10 times out of 10. I still love that move to this day. One of the best the Bills made IMO. But that Bills team was in a much different position. That defense was actually one player away from being great. Unfortunately, the Bills weren't (and still aren't) one Sammy Watkins away from being great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsdog Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Loving this 2018 draft! First-pick draft simulator will be fun in January! 1) 1) 2) 2) 3) 3) 3) possible compensary 4) 4) possible compensary 5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Eric Wood? That's about it. They did not trade up for him. They received that 1st round pick for Jason Peters. And it was after the Bills 1st round pick at 11 for Maybin. Now I am confused what a real trade up actually is. As Bills made a first round pick 13 in 2004 Lee Evans and then traded back into 1st round to pick 22 JP Losman. Trade up? or Trade back into round 1?? Trade up I guess so you are right.?? Edited August 12, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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