uticaclub Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I know that Yates knows the offense, has more experience and that Jones is still raw, but Jones is impressing with the Chargers and Yates looks terrible in practice and was even worse in the game. Also did they just give Taiwan Jones, Cardell Jones old jersey? Having a RB wearing #7? I'm thinking they didn't want to make a New Jersey for a guy that was going to get cut and they gave him an old one that was laying around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm thinking they didn't want to make a New Jersey for a guy that was going to get cut and they gave him an old one that was laying around. Terry is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I know that Yates knows the offense, has more experience and that Jones is still raw, but Jones is impressing with the Chargers and Yates looks terrible in practice and was even worse in the game. Also did they just give Taiwan Jones, Cardell Jones old jersey? Having a RB wearing #7? I'm thinking they didn't want to make a New Jersey for a guy that was going to get cut and they gave him an old one that was laying around. Jones hasn't even played a down yet for LA. We can all watch him flop Sunday night. Remember, he was traded for a reason. The Chargers took the bait. Edited August 11, 2017 by mileena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Jones hasn't even played a down yet for LA. We can all watch him flop Sunday night. Remember, he was traded for a reason. The Chargers took the bait. What does that mean? Right now the options are this: 1. Yates sucks but Cardale also sucks. 2. Yates sucks but Cardale improved. Either way, Yates sucks, and we are stuck with him (for now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yes, they gave the new Jones the old Jones' jersey. Why would they bother making another Jones? Just to keep up with the Joneses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 From what I've read from Chargers camp Jones is exactly the same as in Buffalo. Massive arm strength, hopelessly inaccurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I dunno, Yates was putting the ball places and his receivers were dicking around and weren't looking for it. QB's have to throw the ball before a receiver makes his break, if the receiver sucks at making a clean break, the QB looks bad, if the QB waits for the receiver he gets sacked, like Tyrod does... Tyrod is still telegraphing his throws and waiting too long. It seems like he will never "get it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I never understood the rush to trade jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 This is assuming TJ Yates had any trade value. I never understood the rush to trade jones. Maybe the coaching staff wanted to focus on a single project QB than divide their efforts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) There is "brutal" at the position (EJ throwing 3 interceptions) and then there is not very good (Yates last night). I don't like either, but the weird thing is I liked aspects of the brutal EJ over the not very good Yates. I felt the same with Jones. Yates does absolutely nothing for me. I'd take a wild card QB prospect over him if Nate wins the job. Edited August 11, 2017 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 This is assuming TJ Yates had any trade value. Maybe the coaching staff wanted to focus on a single project QB than divide their efforts I understand your point but with qb being the most important player on the team having two developmental qbs wouldn't seem like the worst idea. I mean this team has carried two kickers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I know that Yates knows the offense, has more experience and that Jones is still raw, but Jones is impressing with the Chargers and Yates looks terrible in practice and was even worse in the game. Also did they just give Taiwan Jones, Cardell Jones old jersey? Having a RB wearing #7? I'm thinking they didn't want to make a New Jersey for a guy that was going to get cut and they gave him an old one that was laying around. You really think you could trade Yates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 yates SUCKS !!! still not sure what cardale is. peterman is going to be a good one.....once he learns to read NFL defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 In todays NFL with limited practice time, it's hard enough to get the reps to develop one QB, but you're asking them to develop two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I never understood the rush to trade jones. Me either. I never expected much out of Jones but he was a developmental qb. Why get rid of him after 1 year? Jones may suck but Yates has demonstrated for 6 years he sucks. But Jones wasn't the new regime's "guy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I never understood the rush to trade jones. Peterman is the answer to that question. The QB depth chart model appears to be: Starter Vet back up Dev prospect Peterman is a better prospect and Lynn was willing to give something for a guy that was goning to be cut Edited August 11, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I would always use the last spot or 2 on the roster on project players. That's what Cardale was. That's what Logan Thomas is/was. The same goes for Jasper and Manhertz. I would invest the effort in harnessing a great physical skill set. You can always nab random guys off the street that are no worse than the bottom of the roster guys. I'd rather a project with big upside than a 9th OL or 7th LB that will never see the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Me either. I never expected much out of Jones but he was a developmental qb. Why get rid of him after 1 year? Jones may suck but Yates has demonstrated for 6 years he sucks. But Jones wasn't the new regime's "guy." Because having 4 QBs inc 2 developmental guys is bad roster management, there aren't the snaps to go round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I find it fascinating how much this board hates players while they are here (Cardale, Kouandjio, etc) and as soon as they are gone all of a sudden it was a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I never understood the rush to trade jones. Not smart. Not motivated. Not accurate. Thats why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not smart. Not motivated. Not accurate. Thats why.Except for the accuracy I'm not sure where you are getting that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I read somewhere that Dennison only likes to keep 2 quarterbacks on the final roster. That true? If so, shouldn't Beane be looking for a good candidate to stash on the PS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Because having 4 QBs inc 2 developmental guys is bad roster management, there aren't the snaps to go round Having a vet who is borderline even being in the NFL is bad roster construction. The odds of Jones and Peterman being that much worse than Yates is very small. And even if Jones really sucked, you can get a TJ Yates at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogie75 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I know that Yates knows the offense, has more experience and that Jones is still raw, but Jones is impressing with the Chargers and Yates looks terrible in practice and was even worse in the game. Also did they just give Taiwan Jones, Cardell Jones old jersey? Having a RB wearing #7? I'm thinking they didn't want to make a New Jersey for a guy that was going to get cut and they gave him an old one that was laying around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Having a vet who is borderline even being in the NFL is bad roster construction. The odds of Jones and Peterman being that much worse than Yates is very small. And even if Jones really sucked, you can get a TJ Yates at any time. Think of Yates as a "coach on the field" during camp. They're only going to keep 2 quarterbacks on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Think of Yates as a "coach on the field" during camp. They're only going to keep 2 quarterbacks on the roster. I hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogie75 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I agree with you 200% on the Cardale over Yates. That's what happens when coaches just assume and give out positions. Just to say it was Rex pick. The better player should have stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I agree with you 200% on the Cardale over Yates. That's what happens when coaches just assume and give out positions. Just to say it was Rex pick. The better player should have stayed. Whoever said he was released because he was a "Rex pick" besides all the armchair GM's on TSW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Can Yates be cut for a comp pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogie75 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I never understood the rush to trade jones. me either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) There's a reason I call him TJ Yikes. " let's see what he can do." You say..... and then you see him. I also have no idea what Jones could do and feel he probably doesn't do much when all is said and done. BUT, he COULD turn into something. Yikes is who he is. Like TT he has had enough chances and wishing and hoping he improves is silly. I hope Peterman( also a project, I get it!!) gets to run with the twos as we build towards the future because the future isn't now for the 2017 Bills Edited August 11, 2017 by Buffalo Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yes, they gave the new Jones the old Jones' jersey. Why would they bother making another Jones? Just to keep up with the Joneses? Probably more Williams' jerseys still!! Remember, it's never good to have a Williams' deficiency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogie75 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not smart. Not motivated. Not accurate. Thats why.no no no he was hated on because they could have worked with him like the are still doing with the starter. But Y does not even come close to Jones upside. Now, the starter did not impressed either with all the hype they are giving him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The problem with Cardale Jones as a QB is that he cannot throw accurately. One would think that that would be enough for everyone to understand that he has zero future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogie75 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not smart. Not motivated. Not accurate. Thats why.no no Cardale was hated on.The problem with Cardale Jones as a QB is that he cannot throw accurately. One would think that that would be enough for everyone to understand that he has zero future.he does have one because it is his second year. They are QB in the league that are a lot worse that still have a job so don't say that. Look at Alex Smith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The problem with Cardale Jones as a QB is that he cannot throw accurately. One would think that that would be enough for everyone to understand that he has zero future. Yates is a career 58% passer. In his last 2 starts in 2015, he completed 49% of his passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 There's a reason I call him TJ Yikes. " let's see what he can do." You say..... and then you see him. I also have no idea what Jones could do and feel he probably doesn't do much when all is said and done. BUT, he COULD turn into something. Yikes is who he is. Like TT he has had enough chances and wishing and hoping he improves is silly. I hope Peterman( also a project, I get it!!) gets to run with the twos as we build towards the future because the future isn't now for the 2017 Bills TT and Yates are nothing alike. One is a starter that is 15-14 and has scored 47 TDs vs. 14 turnovers. One is a 3rd string QB that has been bad whenever he's been on the field. Peterman has a chance to be the long-term #2 IMO. If TT doesn't make it to 2018 though it will be a 1st round pick under center. They aren't going to punt on a loaded QB draft, with multiple 1sts, to hand the keys to a 5th rounder going into year 2. It is Tyrod or a 2018 first next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Except for the accuracy I'm not sure where you are getting that from? Its what ive read and heard and no Im not going to go back and conduct 48 hours of verifiable research to prove my point. I have better things to do. Feel free to find the articles that say the opposite. Think youll be taking a pretty long look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 no no Cardale was hated on. he does have one because it is his second year. They are QB in the league that are a lot worse that still have a job so don't say that. Look at Alex Smith... Which QBs went from entirely inaccurate to accurate after reaching the NFL? Next you'll tell me that EJ has a possible future, too. Yates is a career 58% passer. In his last 2 starts in 2015, he completed 49% of his passes. You're comparing Jones to a player who can't be an NFL starter. Whooppeee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 no no no he was hated on because they could have worked with him like the are still doing with the starter. But Y does not even come close to Jones upside. Now, the starter did not impressed either with all the hype they are giving him. There is no upside if hes not a worker and doesnt understand the offense. This is a guy who lost his starting job in college. Dont think thats because hes a Tom Brady clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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