mannc Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) WHERE did I even mention those two idiots? But lets face facts here our HC has no prior head coaching experience. He may talk a good game but let's see him win a few games before we annoint him as the second coming of Marv Levy. And the same holds true for our rookie GM and front office staff. Let's see what they do with next years draft before we start shouting their praises. And I'll go on record now as forecasting a 6 win season for this team... The logic isn't hard to follow: You said that the Bills are "clearly" in rebuild mode (i.e., not really trying to win this year), and as evidence for that, you point out that they have a new HC. The clear implication is that you believe the team will have a worse record, at least in part because Rex is no longer around. This is confirmed by your prediction that they will win 6 games. I agree that we don't know yet how McDermott will do, but can we at least agree that Rex and Rob were a disgrace, and that even mediocre coaching by McDermott would be a significant improvement this year? If so, why do you think the Bills will lose more games than last year? They have the same QB and their offseason personnel losses were nothing out of the ordinary for an NFL team. Do you think the defense will have trouble adjusting to a new, simpler scheme? IMO, the Bills could finish anywhere from 4-12 to 11-5, depending on injuries, coaching, QB play and pure, blind luck. But I don't think there is any evidence whatsoever that they are in rebuilding mode this year. Edited July 31, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 You have a rookie HC who has no previous HC experience period. Brand new stafff. Rookie GM and totally brand new front office staff. THAT ALONE IS A REBUILD.... And the rest of the things I mentioned only add to it. Oh, BTW I forgot to mention our supposed brand new rookie RT (presumed)... We have no idea how these pieces are all going to fit together... Will TT be the QB next year? That seems to be up in the air at this point too... Same goes for Watkins really... Kyle will need to be replaced which will create another opening in the near-future. OH AND DID I MENTION THAT THE TEAM WENT 7-9 LAST YEAR!!! You're mistaking a retool with a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Reboot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think this HC and GM should be allowed 4 years. I bet they get the Bills into the playoffs. Steady progress this year and next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Funny... I see a rookie HC, GM, brand new Front Office crew.... A 7th yr QB who hasn't shown that he can get the job done... A 7mil/yr TE with knee problems... A #1 WR who can't stay healthy but is gonna want to be paid HUGE $$ after this season... Kyle Williams who will prob retire after this season... Darby who clearly regressed last season... basically 2 new Def rookies (Lawson & Ragland)... Eric Wood who isn't getting any younger and who has basically been so-so to this point in his careeer... I think REBUILDING sounds just about right.... An awful lot of question marks here... I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 if this upcoming QB draft class is to be believed as amazing, then the rebuild should be now. clearly not in rebuild mode. clearly not in playoff push mode either. just kinda muddling around like usual. Treadmill seasons aren't very fun when it's all said and done. If KC has a drop off it won't be so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Been saying it for the past couple years, but the talent is there and I like our off-season moves. We will see if McDermott has what it takes but I think these guys can surprise a lot of folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Rebuild or not rebuild? Every rookie HC comes in thinking they have what it takes to make a team work. Most don't. I.e. Grego, Mularkey, Moron e and that's just this team during the drought. How did our last rookie GM workout for us? Some will say ok, some won't , very few will sing him high praise. Can anyone argue that a new O and D scheme will come out of the gates week 1 firing on more than half their cylinders? ( except we play the Jets... I get that.) Analytics say our schedule isn't tough??? The Eye Ball test says our schedule is a beyatch!!! I hope this coaching staff gets the most out of these players. I hope they stay healthier than they have in a decade. I hope Sammy plays16 games, Dareus plays to his potential, Hughes doesn't do his bonehead stuff, TT discovers the seam route and Clay is his consistent target, Darby refinds his rookie form, Shady is even better... etc Hope is nothing but comfort for a fool ( Old Jamaican proverb). This has the looks of a six win season and those of us who think so don't hate the team and arent trying to be downers and we'd LOVE to be wrong. Edited July 31, 2017 by Buffalo Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 and if the rookie HC only wins 4-5 games this year and ends up being fired 2-3 yrs down the road are you still gonna feel the same way? Can't we just agree to sit back and see what the "kid" has? Actually this same idea should apply to most of this team... How will this yrs #1 draft pick perform/pan out? We shall see. I, like ALL Bills fans, want to see this team progress and start to win ball games.. We can all agree on that - can't we? But clearly we are in a classic rebuild here. Teams hate to use that word because it makes it tougher to sell tickets for one thing. But we have to be honest with ourselves here.... Not a rebuild. Their prospects may not be great , but that doesn't = rebuilding. New QB, new RB, new #1 WR, new DL , then you're talking about rebuilding. The Bills won't win many games, mostly because they are an average team with an average QB, not a team in " rebuild" mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 lol losing Gilmore is not going to hurt one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Players mostly win games. The Bills return all their key players on offense, add some talent to it, and the defense goes back to the 4-3. Then there is the upgrade at K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If this team regresses I'm very worried long term Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't get the rebuild talk. We have the same offense minus one backup RB. We lost Gilmore and Williams from the secondary. But got Lawson and Ragland back from injury. Where's the rebuild? Only 30 of last year's roster is in camp. That is above the normal annual NFL turnover. I think that is where the talk comes from. I agree on starting personnel basically the fullback, #2 receiver, possibly RT are the only likely changes on O. D is in more flux.... because 3/4 in the 2ndry are different and who knows at the linebacker spots? The logic isn't hard to follow: You said that the Bills are "clearly" in rebuild mode (i.e., not really trying to win this year), and as evidence for that, you point out that they have a new HC. The clear implication is that you believe the team will have a worse record, at least in part because Rex is no longer around. This is confirmed by your prediction that they will win 6 games. I agree that we don't know yet how McDermott will do, but can we at least agree that Rex and Rob were a disgrace, and that even mediocre coaching by McDermott would be a significant improvement this year? If so, why do you think the Bills will lose more games than last year? They have the same QB and their offseason personnel losses were nothing out of the ordinary for an NFL team. Do you think the defense will have trouble adjusting to a new, simpler scheme? IMO, the Bills could finish anywhere from 4-12 to 11-5, depending on injuries, coaching, QB play and pure, blind luck. But I don't think there is any evidence whatsoever that they are in rebuilding mode this year. I personally just think that even a defense that is better prepared and better coached and playing their assignments better could still end up somewhere around #16-18 in the league because of the talented QBs on the schedule. I expect us to be 6-10 to 8-8 again but it may be a more positive 8-8 than 2015 for example which against that schedule and with our talent was a major underachievement. Because 10 of your 16 games in the NFL are different year to year simply looking at record is not a good way to judge whether a team has regressed, progressed or stayed the same. Sometimes you have to look at how those results came to get a clearer picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I heard that there are only 30 members left from last years team that may not be a rebuild but it's definitely a over haul !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I heard that there are only 30 members left from last years team that may not be a rebuild but it's definitely a over haul !! Hyde, white, poyer, Ragland and Lawson. Four possible new starters. I'd actually say we already rebuilt! Then on the other side a new rt, new 2nd wr. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't get the rebuild talk. We have the same offense minus one backup RB. We lost Gilmore and Williams from the secondary. But got Lawson and Ragland back from injury. Where's the rebuild? Thats what ive been thinking for months. New identity maybe, but not much changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 lol losing Gilmore is not going to hurt one bit. Its true. He missed that tackle that one time. Hes the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 The biggest change is the defensive scheme and personnel in the secondary with only 1 starter returning (Darby). Based on the performance of the players in that secondary last year 3 new starters is a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 Based on the performance of the players in that secondary last year 3 new starters is a good thing Different scheme, different dream after last season's nightmare under Rex and Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 New players and rookies never succeed in the NFL. It might even be a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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