ultimatebeing17 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Whos closer to holding up their respective sports trophy, Sabres hoisting the Stanley Cup or the Bills the Lombardi Trophy? This is hypothetical since I don't think either are very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Bills. 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I've lost all sense that either franchise even knows that's their goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I'll go with Bills 2019. New systems 2017 New QB 2018 Super Bowl 2019 Let's Go Buffalo!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 In terms of playoffs, both teams are pretty much the same. Talent is there, need a coach to guide them to the playoffs. Â The Sabres are closer to a championship because they have their franchise player already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Don't know enough about the Sabres to answer. I don't think the Bills are close... don't think you can think that until the Quarterback is in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Â The Sabres are closer to a championship because they have their franchise player already. Â Yup. The Sabres have a young superstar player to build upon and use as a foundation. The BIlls do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 sabres. eichel, ror, okpo, kane reinhart risto. that's a great young corps that just needs a coach who knows what he's doing. if a couple guys like nylander and guhle take a jump this team could be really good. Â The bills have some real potential on paper. If the defense is back to top five...like if shaq is a force, ragland a stud mlb and white a nice cb then this defense could be really good along with all the other guys. top 5 defense, top 10 offense makes a really good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Neither. Both are perennial losers. (see my sig line) Â BTW, OP, you need to stay with threads you start.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I don't think that either is particularly close. I guess that I'll say Sabres because you can make a run in the NHL Playoffs from any spot. Nashville is a great example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Sabres. Pretty good young core. Just need some help on D and to let the young guys develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanOverChin Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I think both teams are finally on the right track. Â The Bills with Beane and McD, two R1 picks in 2018, and a ton of cap space in 2018. The Sabres with Botterill and Housley and building the team by starting with the defense. Â It may still take a few years, but it all starts at the top. I think both teams have the right people in place to make the right decisions to get them to where they want to be. Â My prediction: Bills in three years (once Brady calls it quits). Sabres in three years (Botterill needs time for the young guys to mature and to add some key vets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I don't think Its even close. The Sabres are loaded with young talent and have a potential superstar in the making with Eichel. Â Sabres will make the playoffs this season and the Bills will not. If Brady plays at a high level for 3 more years the Pats will continue to own the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 sabres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I like what the Sabres have done with their GM and HC but I love what the Bills have done at GM/HC. The Bills finally hired young, smart, detail-oriented quality people for the positions of GM an HC. I always liked Whaley's ability to identify talent but really see now that he lacked an overall vision, organizational goal and ability to manage and improve all aspects of the organization. Things have changed dramatically since MC was hired. Everything has been re-evaluated from training camp, practice format, rookie orientation etc. I get the sense that analytics and managing contracts will be more important and that the team will be able to outsmart and stay ahead of many other teams. The contrast between Beane/MC and Whaley/Ryan cannot be any further apart. Â And I believe HC and organizational structure/culture is right up there with the QB position. If you don't have the right HC and organizational structure it is very difficult to win and almost impossible to have sustained success. I believe strongly the Bills are in very good hands with the GM/HC and we are better at the QB position than most people think. The Bills will surprise many this year with how well they play and by 2018 the Bills should be a contender in the AFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Avon Lake now Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I say Sabres because its hard to win football games in the NFL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I don't think Its even close. The Sabres are loaded with young talent and have a potential superstar in the making with Eichel. Â Sabres will make the playoffs this season and the Bills will not. If Brady plays at a high level for 3 more years the Pats will continue to own the Bills. Â I hope so, but I wouldn't bet any money on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Â I hope so, but I wouldn't bet any money on this. Â I actually would take the over on this. Eichel missing the start of the season set them back. New coach everyone will buy in. I actually think they make the playoffs and win the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Obviously, both teams' prospective success is conditioned upon having the right GM/HC combination... Â With that said, I'll say Sabres. Up front, they actually have the makings for a very good top-6 right now (even without Kane--assuming they do end up trading him) from Eichel, ROR, Okposo, and Reinhart, and still have some very intriguing young prospects in Nylander, Fasching, Bailey, and Baptiste. On the back end, they have a stud in Risto, what looks to be a reliable 2nd pairing guy in McCabe, a potential gamer in Guhle, and vets in Gorges and Bogosian that can be a 3rd pairing; they're still missing the other stud defender that can make plays on the body as well as in transition. Â Regarding the Bills, it's really hard to pick a team that still hasn't identified their franchise QB. I like Tyrod, and with a great team around him, there's a chance he could make enough plays to win, but that's not what surrounds him right now. The depth behind their top players at RB/WR/TE is altogether unproven, and their top 2 targets in the passing game--while quite productive when healthy--have each had multiple injury issues. Defensively, they lack depth at the DE positions and are a complete question mark at LB. There's a chance that the secondary could be very good, but that's relying upon a bounce-back year from Darby, and improvement from Seymour, a quick-study in Tre White, and Poyer playing up to potential at safety. Â Just my 1 cent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Â I actually would take the over on this. Eichel missing the start of the season set them back. New coach everyone will buy in. I actually think they make the playoffs and win the first round. Â When I look at the Eastern Conference, I don't see them as one of the best eight teams. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 The Bisons or Bandits are our only hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Yup. The Sabres have a young superstar player to build upon and use as a foundation. The BIlls do not. Â If we had a QB I would say Bills but the Sabers at least have some young talent and Jack so I'll go with the Sabers. I think the Sabers are a goalie and good forward away from making the playoffs every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Face value, I like the Housley hire more than McDermott. Â But apples/oranges. Â I'd say Sabres will be a playoff team before Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraq Vet Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 This is too early..... after next week we will know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I don't think that either is particularly close. I guess that I'll say Sabres because you can make a run in the NHL Playoffs from any spot. Nashville is a great example. I actually think the opposite. It only takes a 4 game hot streak to win it all in football after going 9-7 or 10-6 like the Giants & Steelers seem to do so often. A 4 game hot streak in the NHL gets you through 1 series haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I actually think the opposite. It only takes a 4 game hot streak to win it all in football after going 9-7 or 10-6 like the Giants & Steelers seem to do so often. A 4 game hot streak in the NHL gets you through 1 series haha.I guess maybe I'm saying it wrong. The gap between 1-8 in hockey is closer than the gap between 1-6 in football (especially when you factor in home field advantage). If that team that just got in the playoffs plays well they aren't that far from the best teams. If Miami played great they still weren't winning at Pittsburgh, at KC or Houston and at New England. The Bills last year should have been in that position if not for Rex against Miami. They might have competed in the WC game but they weren't capable of making a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Sabres are still a year away from playoffs and 3-4 years from a serious Cup run (when Nylander and Middlestadt sp) are ready to join the core. Ennis and Moulson will be gone and our goalie situation will be settled. Eichel, Okposo, Reinhart, O'Reilly, Nylander, Middlestadt, Risto, Guhle, McCabe, Antipin. Filling in the rest should be easy and hopefully Kane brings in a future player. Â I honestly don't ever expect the Bills to make the playoffs again and certainly can't imagine a Super Bowl. Not until there is a franchise QB will I be able to even discuss a playoff opportunity. I feel good about the Coach and GM but that is going to take some time to shake out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Playoffs will happen sooner or later for both, but championships-doubt ether one will even have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Playoffs will happen sooner or later for both, but championships-doubt ether one will even have that. Â Classic Defeatist BBFS Pessimism. Why even bother being a fan if there's no hope of ever achieving the ultimate prize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Bills. Defensive improvement will make them contenders much quicker than the Sabres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Â Classic Defeatist BBFS Pessimism. Why even bother being a fan if there's no hope of ever achieving the ultimate prize? Well, making the playoffs is a pretty big step for both organizations. Even having winning records. That's what I look for. Too numbed out to expect better. Sometimes a big win on a given Sunday makes the week better. At least with the Pegulas there is a small chance. Under RW this decade there was none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatebeing17 Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 I always say just one before I die, either referring to the Sabres or Bills. IMO, I think the Bills are closer once Brady & Belicheat are out of the division we will probably compete yearly for the division title and get home playoff games. Actually take I take that back I will only be happy if Bills win the Superbowl, not the Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I always say just one before I die, either referring to the Sabres or Bills. IMO, I think the Bills are closer once Brady & Belicheat are out of the division we will probably compete yearly for the division title and get home playoff games. Actually take I take that back I will only be happy if Bills win the Superbowl, not the Sabres. Not really a hockey fan. I could not imagine rooting for both. Some pretty tough fans around that do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crowing Rooster Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Don't know or care about the Sabres. I am not a fan of hockey and I never watch any games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I guess maybe I'm saying it wrong. The gap between 1-8 in hockey is closer than the gap between 1-6 in football (especially when you factor in home field advantage). If that team that just got in the playoffs plays well they aren't that far from the best teams. If Miami played great they still weren't winning at Pittsburgh, at KC or Houston and at New England. The Bills last year should have been in that position if not for Rex against Miami. They might have competed in the WC game but they weren't capable of making a run. No, I got what you were saying, and yeah 8 seeds do generally fare better in the NHL. I just think it's very feasible for a team to get hot in the NFL and win 4 in a row (more so in the NFC than AFC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I actually think the opposite. It only takes a 4 game hot streak to win it all in football after going 9-7 or 10-6 like the Giants & Steelers seem to do so often. A 4 game hot streak in the NHL gets you through 1 series haha. Â good point, only argument on this is that look at those two QB's. Its easier to win it assuming you have a top tier QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Â good point, only argument on this is that look at those two QB's. Its easier to win it assuming you have a top tier QB. I don't think Eli is a top tier QB, but that's another discussion for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Â good point, only argument on this is that look at those two QB's. Its easier to win it assuming you have a top tier QB. Flacco did it. He's not a top tier QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Flacco did it. He's not a top tier QB. Flacco and Eli are essentially the exact same guy in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Flacco and Eli are essentially the exact same guy in my eyes I put Eli in the tier above but they aren't that far from each other. Close to the middle of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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