mead107 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 What a bunch of crap. Anyone that thinks the Bills are going to tank is a complete **** If this team did that the fans would want to fire the coach. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 If they were tanking they wouldn't have brought back Tyrod. Unfortunately what we are doing is worse. We are shooting for mediocrity. We are in the same place we have been for 20 years: Hoping beyond hope we MAYBE make a wild card if we have a miracle season and all of the cards fall right. The Bills are a case study for how not to run a franchise. If you are bad then be bad and get good draft picks and rebuild. If you are good then go for the Super Bowl. There should be no in between. Living in the in between is why we have been so bad for so many years. I disagree, were here because of our drafting, it has been our achilles heel since the post Jim Kelly era, how do we only take 2 1st round QB's since 1999? Just look at our draft classes and you'll see all we need to know. We trade up for Sammy instead it should have been Derek Carr or very least Khalil Mack, Instead of TJ Graham we could have had Russell Wilson, we need to get lucky and extremely smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 It's a rebuild, but the team is too talented to tank. They're still doing a good job of collecting future assets, though. Those two firsts next year will be special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) I disagree, were here because of our drafting, it has been our achilles heel since the post Jim Kelly era, how do we only take 2 1st round QB's since 1999? Just look at our draft classes and you'll see all we need to know. We trade up for Sammy instead it should have been Derek Carr or very least Khalil Mack, Instead of TJ Graham we could have had Russell Wilson, we need to get lucky and extremely smarter. Tanking puts us in a better position to score generational players in the next 2 years... It's ugly reasoning... But the last 17 years haven't exactly been cute... If McDoomed can win with this squad, he should keep winning... If, however, we're 1-6, at any point, we should do the right thing... FINISH THE TANK... Don't go ripping off six straight wins only to ruin our draft position and finish 8-8.. Edited June 25, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 What a bunch of mullarkey. Can anyone really imagine a team with coaches like McDermott (MMA fighter) and Waufle (a hard corp ex-Marine) rolling over and tanking for a whole season so we can get a draft pick? I can virtually guarantee that it is not in their DNA. I also agree that Kyle and Shady would not be a part of a tank at this point in their careers...probably at no point in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I believe the words tank or tanking should be disallowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Acquiring draft picks and getting rid of old, overpaid veterans to retain salary cap flexibility....I guess the Patriots have been tanking for 15 years. Edited June 25, 2017 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Darnold may not even declare for the next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 If they were tanking they wouldn't have brought back Tyrod. Unfortunately what we are doing is worse. We are shooting for mediocrity. We are in the same place we have been for 20 years: Hoping beyond hope we MAYBE make a wild card if we have a miracle season and all of the cards fall right. The Bills are a case study for how not to run a franchise. If you are bad then be bad and get good draft picks and rebuild. If you are good then go for the Super Bowl. There should be no in between. Living in the in between is why we have been so bad for so many years. So sad! @ least we are honest. You try your best, unfortunately that isn't rewarded anymore. Would you rather be dishonest cheats like the Pats** or blatant tankers like the Colts? Your name and integrity still means something with a ever so shrinking group in our society. Acquiring draft picks and getting rid of old, overpaid veterans to retain salary cap flexibility....I guess the Patriots have been tanking for 15 years. No. The other end of the lack of integrity teeter totter is still cheating. Cheating the system is still cheating. Pats** obviously have no integrity also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717015-five-nfl-teams-already-in-contention-for-2018-no-1-overall-draft-pick Here is a link to the BR article that the linked one references. I've actually known Sobo (the BR writer) for over 10 years years. He knows football and he's a good guy. There's a reason he had the Bills 5th on the list of 5. Is anyone arguing with the other 4? As for a tank, I don't see a full one in process for the Bills. It's more of a slow roll here this season. There wasn't a full scale tear down and the team is looking to be competitive, but the moves made were all long term. With the contracts on the books a full scale teardown wasn't even possible. Even KW was kept. A player that old and in his last season certainly would be gone in a tank. But about that slow roll. I don't see how the 2017 Bills are going to be better than the 2016 Bills - and they certainly could be a little worse with the short term learning process of the scheme changes. This season is about establishing the system and finding out how our (young) existing players fit. The team should be competitive, but it'll likely lose more than it wins. It'll be worth it if they are in the right path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 It's a rebuild, they're just not gonna come out and say it bc tix sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) None because they aren't tanking. If they were they'd be starting Cardale, Yates or Peterman. They'd cut Kyle, they'd cut McCoy, they'd cut Clay. They'd do a lot to make the team worse. They haven't done any of that. This thread is nonsensical. Edited June 25, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 It's a rebuild, but the team is too talented to tank. They're still doing a good job of collecting future assets, though. Those two firsts next year will be special. I guess, to the writers point, isn't an intentional rebuild where you push assets into a future year (lower this year's draft capital, carry over a large sum of cap capital) to so degree tanking? Maybe not to the #1 pick level of tanking but there would be something poetic with this regime thinking that they are ok not pushing this year but also not wanting to fully maximize the bounce next year. Like they really get this buffalo .500 football thing we have been doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) tanking is for losers. they're not going to tank no matter how much the OP or the like want them to. also, those QB's mentioned are no guarantee to have success so it's even more of a fail to think tanking lands you the next tom brady. no, this team may be in rebuild mode but they will NOT tank!! sorry nate Edited June 25, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 If they had any intention on pushing things towards the future and letting the current roster fall flat I would like to hear the reasoning for brining Taylor back. His floor takes the Bills out of the tanking competition. If it was solely about the future we would be seeing Cardale/Peterman week 1. I'm not connvinced they are all in on this roster, they know it needs work. I am convinced they want to play it out and see where it ends up, they probably consider the KC pick an asset towards a better QB if it's needed. This year is like a free spin for all the new coaches and GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 This roster is not bad enough to challenge for a top five pic. And a player like McCoy would want out. Exactly this is a .500 team coming back with a better sense of direction and improved defense. How we could go from contending for the playoffs to 2 or 3 wins thoughts meanwhile from the .500 team have an improved and healthier defensive line with Marcel return and Kyle Williams coming off his best year, better wide receivers and even a better kicker. While we will continue to have a good o-line and running game with a great running back and a quarterback who can put up points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) If they were tanking they wouldn't have brought back Tyrod. Unfortunately what we are doing is worse. We are shooting for mediocrity. We are in the same place we have been for 20 years: Hoping beyond hope we MAYBE make a wild card if we have a miracle season and all of the cards fall right. The Bills are a case study for how not to run a franchise. If you are bad then be bad and get good draft picks and rebuild. If you are good then go for the Super Bowl. There should be no in between. Living in the in between is why we have been so bad for so many years. This is BS. No team has ever gone from cellar dweller to Super Bowl winner in a single season for the very simple reason that if a team jettisons its talent in order to tank, it will take years to rebuild it. That's especially true in the present NFL. Use your head for something besides keeping your ears apart. A football team needs 53 players, not just a QB. A Super Bowl team needs real talent at numerous key positions and a lot of luck. There are only 7 rounds in the draft. About half of draft picks bust or fail to live up to expectations. The average career length for NFL players is just over 3 years IIRC, although that number was from a few years ago, so it may be a little longer. Then there's injuries and suspensions for rules violations. The salary cap imposes a limit on how much a team can spend in salaries in any given season. Rookie contracts for first rounders last for 5 years and for others only 4 years. Too many veteran players are not going to want to sign with a losing team if they can sign with a team with a realistic chance to make the Super Bowl -- and a team with recent playoff runs and repeated Super Bowl appearances constitutes a "realistic chance" as opposed to a team that went 0-16 the previous year, which is why Chris Hogan, Stephon Gilmore, and Mike Gillisless are all Patriots. Oh, and let's not forget the quality of scouting, drafting, and coaching. Moreover, there's no guarantee that there's a franchise QB in any draft. In 2002, neither David Carr nor Joey Harrington were any good. In 2007, 2010, and 2013 none of the QBs were better than backups. In 2006, Jay Cutler was the best of a poor lot, although some considered him a franchise QB for a while. Also remember: In the 2001 draft, Michael Vick was the #1 pick, but Drew Brees was the best QB, first pick in the 2nd round (or what would be the end of the first round today). In the 2004 draft, #1 pick Eli Manning was drafted and then traded to the Giants for #4 pick Phillip Rivers and a carload of draft picks. E Manning has won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants but since Rivers has only been there as a spectator, it's unlikely the streaky Manning would have done better. In the 2005 draft, while Alex Smith was the #1 pick, Aaron Rodgers was the best QB at #18. In the 2008 draft, Atlanta took Matt Ryan at #3 and Baltimore took Joe Flacco (who was Super Bowl MVP) at #18. Despite all the hoopla about Indy tanking to get Andrew Luck in 2012, the best QB to come out of the 2012 draft was third rounder Russell Wilson who has already won a Super Bowl. Luck has not matured significantly beyond what he was as a rookie/sophomore QB, and he might not be as good a QB today as Tannehill (#12) and Kirk Cousins (4th round) who have matured professionally. The Bills have been bad for nearly 20 years because the FO has been far more interested in making profit than in winning football games, and no QB is going to rescue the team from that reality. Edited June 25, 2017 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NeckBeard Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 To me, the current "gold standard" for tanking is what the Jets have done this offseason. Talk about emptying the cupboard. Yikes. Looks more like a rebuild, and I agree with the other person/people here who say that most players being equal, and with better coaching, and this team shouldn't be worse than last year, if not better entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 This roster is not bad enough to challenge for a top five pic. And a player like McCoy would want out. And why would Kyle Williams come back if this were the plan?? I call BS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 This is BS. No team has ever gone from cellar dweller to Super Bowl winner in a single season for the very simple reason that if a team jettisons its talent in order to tank, it will take years to rebuild it. That's especially true in the present NFL. Use your head for something besides keeping your ears apart. A football team needs 53 players, not just a QB. A Super Bowl team needs real talent at numerous key positions and a lot of luck. There are only 7 rounds in the draft. About half of draft picks bust or fail to live up to expectations. The average career length for NFL players is just over 3 years IIRC, although that number was from a few years ago, so it may be a little longer. Then there's injuries and suspensions for rules violations. The salary cap imposes a limit on how much a team can spend in salaries in any given season. Rookie contracts for first rounders last for 5 years and for others only 4 years. Too many veteran players are not going to want to sign with a losing team if they can sign with a team with a realistic chance to make the Super Bowl -- and a team with recent playoff runs and repeated Super Bowl appearances constitutes a "realistic chance" as opposed to a team that went 0-16 the previous year, which is why Chris Hogan, Stephon Gilmore, and Mike Gillisless are all Patriots. Oh, and let's not forget the quality of scouting, drafting, and coaching. Moreover, there's no guarantee that there's a franchise QB in any draft. In 2002, neither David Carr nor Joey Harrington were any good. In 2007, 2010, and 2013 none of the QBs were better than backups. In 2006, Jay Cutler was the best of a poor lot, although some considered him a franchise QB for a while. Also remember: In the 2001 draft, Michael Vick was the #1 pick, but Drew Brees was the best QB, first pick in the 2nd round (or what would be the end of the first round today). In the 2004 draft, #1 pick Eli Manning was drafted and then traded to the Giants for #4 pick Phillip Rivers and a carload of draft picks. E Manning has won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants but since Rivers has only been there as a spectator, it's unlikely the streaky Manning would have done better. In the 2005 draft, while Alex Smith was the #1 pick, Aaron Rodgers was the best QB at #18. In the 2008 draft, Atlanta took Matt Ryan at #3 and Baltimore took Joe Flacco (who was Super Bowl MVP) at #18. Despite all the hoopla about Indy tanking to get Andrew Luck in 2012, the best QB to come out of the 2012 draft was third rounder Russell Wilson who has already won a Super Bowl. Luck has not matured significantly beyond what he was as a rookie/sophomore QB, and he might not be as good a QB today as Tannehill (#12) and Kirk Cousins (4th round) who have matured professionally. The Bills have been bad for nearly 20 years because the FO has been far more interested in making profit than in winning football games, and no QB is going to rescue the team from that reality.very well stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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