SoCal Deek Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 These Boards always crack me up! Seymour was a mid round pick last year and many were/are picking him to replace a 'shut down' corner. Lawson and Ragland were both highly sought after and everyone has pretty much ignored them. Both of those guys better produce big time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 These Boards always crack me up! Seymour was a mid round pick last year and many were/are picking him to replace a 'shut down' corner. Lawson and Ragland were both highly sought after and everyone has pretty much ignored them. Both of those guys better produce big time!! I also see Adolphus Washington producing. He showed flashes last year but he's a perfect fit for the 43 and this scheme, which heavily relies on the D line to generate pressure. That was what Adolphus was known for- penetrating into the backfield and causing havoc. He should be very very solid depth behind Kyle and Marcel..We really have a plethora of young defensive talent with big time upside. I feel that McDermott and Frazier are very good coaches and are the right men to get these players to reach their full potential! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 What I saw was several times he overpowered a OL on his way to the qb...... People want to see a edge bend like Von Miller and get around a OT violently hitting a qb cleaning his clock......I really dont think that is gonna be Lawson's game. It doesnt mean that he cant put consistant pressure on a qb and get their with hustle....ALSO because he will run stop he is a complete player Folks need to wait and see what we have in a healthy lawson (for the first time in years) before they make final determinations on the kid....rehabbing a surgery is not the same thing as a strength and conditioning program preparing for a season. I'm hoping Hughes returns to 4-3 (wide 9) form and Lawson is a better version of Mario that year. Like you said, he'll definitely get involved in run stopping (unlike Mario). Lawson needs to be powerful enough to command attention and get the strong side - let Hughes turn on the speed and get after it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Honestly, I don't expect him to get more than 4-5 sacks. But if he sets the edge well and shuts down the run I'll be happy with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Honestly, I don't expect him to get more than 4-5 sacks. But if he sets the edge well and shuts down the run I'll be happy with him. I agree, set the edge well. I think (hope?) playing time and hustle plays will get him 5-7. Never a huge sack guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) I'm hoping Hughes returns to 4-3 (wide 9) form and Lawson is a better version of Mario that year. Like you said, he'll definitely get involved in run stopping (unlike Mario). Lawson needs to be powerful enough to command attention and get the strong side - let Hughes turn on the speed and get after it. If Lawson is a better version of All-Pro Mario Williams from 2014 (who excelled both rushing the passer and stopping the run), we're all winners. Mario was one of the best run DE's in the NFL that year. I'm not sure why you choose to dig at his most obvious strength. Edited May 15, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 If Lawson is a better version of All-Pro Mario Williams from 2014 (who excelled both rushing the passer and stopping the run), we're all winners. Mario was one of the best run DE's in the NFL that year. I'm not sure why you choose to dig at his most obvious strength. I predict Shaq will have more sacks than Mario had the past two years combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I predict Shaq will have more sacks than Mario had the past two years combined.6.5? It'll be close, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I think he's slow and absolutely hated the pick last year. But since he's a Buffalo Bills, I'll be optimistic. Since I'm an idiot. 8 sacks. 11 TFL. 40+ tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I expect a big year from Dareus and Kyle. Hughes and Shaq are where I worry. If Dareus and Kyle are playing strong Hughes will be killing it ! Lawson needs to stay in his lane and play disciplined. He will grow. But for this season he needs to play smart. I do not care what his stats are. as long as the D is whupping butt. Team game. He can become an asset just by doing his job. sacks will come later in the season when teams give up on the interior and move the pocket outside the guard. Shaq just needs to be patient I swear I watched Lawson display a good bit of hustle last year once healthy. I am really excited to see Lawson out there. Players who can play will find a spot, that's where a good coach comes in. once he got the rhythm he looked much better. but i get the slow and lumbering perceptions when he first got upon the field. I did not even notice his number some games I also see Adolphus Washington producing. He showed flashes last year but he's a perfect fit for the 43 and this scheme, which heavily relies on the D line to generate pressure. That was what Adolphus was known for- penetrating into the backfield and causing havoc. He should be very very solid depth behind Kyle and Marcel.. We really have a plethora of young defensive talent with big time upside. I feel that McDermott and Frazier are very good coaches and are the right men to get these players to reach their full potential! He showed lazy and tired too. Washington and Lawson should and need to improve quite a bit imho. i do blame nearly everything on rex. including playing Lawson and others out of their natural posi tions/ techs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 With new coaches, I expect a little more urgency and accountability from our D-line in particular. Time will tell. Maybe a ban on silly sailor caps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Shaq a great addition, hope the fans haven't written him off. I think 8 sacks and a handful of tackles for loss is fair. Dude was a dominant college DE who Rex put at OLB. His first sack was on Tom Brady. Healthy, scheme that fits him, position that he's dominate at, and real NFL coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Shaq a great addition, hope the fans haven't written him off. I think 8 sacks and a handful of tackles for loss is fair. Dude was a dominant college DE who Rex put at OLB. His first sack was on Tom Brady. Healthy, scheme that fits him, position that he's dominate at, and real NFL coaches. But Brady survived, so it's hard to forgive him...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Team website lists Vernon as 275- 10 pounds heavier than Shaq. But size isn't everything. Robert Mathis played DE for the Colts at 250 or less. He was very, very quick though. Heck, Jerry Hughes is only listed at 254. Nfl.com has Vernon at 275 and Lawson at 270. I'm not going to act like I know how much of a difference five pounds really makes, but to say he's not the right size for a 43 DE is crazy. You see guys like Everson Griffin and Michael Bennett playing around the same exact weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I predict Shaq will have more sacks than Mario had the past two years combined. So he won't be assigned pass coverage on Beckham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 He was a 1st round prospect and pick for a good reason. The team knew about his need for surgery but picked him anyway because they felt he was worth waiting for. Those decision makers are all gone now, but I still expect big things from him this season. https://youtu.be/Qn_bQctE5UY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Should be great against the run and add some pass rush at times. Again, this defense fits what he can do better. Could be like Charles Johnson was in Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 You're right. He's not that kind of player. I could see him getting 6-8 sacks though. His presence vs the run game is what will make or break his career imo. Be a force vs the run and get pressure on the qb. I can see him getting pressure often but not being able to get the sack. That can make him an impact player and worthy of a 1st rd pick.....if he's a force vs the run This is where I am at - I think he is a good fit. I think he can set the edge and collapse the pocket - I do not think he will be beating guys based solely on quickness or anything. Somewhere between 6-8 sacks is a nice place to start and hopefully just some consistent play and he will be just fine. I just want to see him get better and be healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I feel the exact opposite. Shaq is a 4-3 DE to me. He's not explosive enough to be a rush edge in the 3-4 and is too small to play DE. That's part of the reason that I thought the pick was odd. He seemed like good value at the time but was an odd scheme fit to me. He should be a pretty well-rounded DE that is solid against the run and contributes about 7 sacks. 100% agree - I thought from the beginning he was a better 4-3 DE and I thought it was a bad fit for Rex, but Rex loved him some Tigers. Size and strength - I think he will be ok - I do not think he has the speed and quickness to just beat a RT off the ball, but I think he will be able to get some leverage and make a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 That was my reaction when I saw Edelman on the NFL's top 100 players show and remembered you insisting last year at about this time that Bob Woods was better than him. It's a flawed list......but c'mon man......Bob Woods? Bills are hiring scouts...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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