Beef Jerky Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 You're not sure what I'm saying? I'm saying that if Mahomes is a franchise QB, the Bills lost that trade. Would you trade a rookie CB, 3rd round pick, and next years 1st for a franchise QB? If the answer is no... Hey guys, what if... What if... What if... What if... What if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Until Rosen and Darnold go 1 and 2 to the Jets/Browns Don't sleep on the 49ers... Even with their defensive improvements - you're improving a league worst defense in both points and yards allowed. Bad on 3rd downs, bad against the run and pass. Oh and they have Hoyer and Gabbert at QB. There's a pretty good chance they're also terrible. Edited April 28, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Hey guys, what if... What if... What if... What if... What if. Felt better knowing Bruce Smith was definitely rain holy terror on opponents in the season coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Hey guys, what if... What if... What if... What if... What if. What's the point of even posting here then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) What's the point of even posting here then? You tell me... The Bills never we're going to draft Mahomes then it doesn't matter. Edited April 28, 2017 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) With so many Super Bowl appearances it's no surprise that their fan base is arrogant. Like all drafts, time will tell who wins this trade but having three picks tomorrow and an extra 1st rounder this year while fulfilling a position of need is fine by me. Well played, sir! Edited April 28, 2017 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 You're not sure what I'm saying? I'm saying that if Mahomes is a franchise QB, the Bills lost that trade. Would you trade a rookie CB, 3rd round pick, and next years 1st for a franchise QB? If the answer is no... I don't know that he is a franchise QB - for Buffalo. Working with a 1st overall pick who struggled and ended up becoming a good player(and the polar opposite of what Mahomes is - takes care of the ball, doesnt drive it down field), as well as having a solid QB coach in Reid, will help Mahomes become a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 You tell me... The Bills never we're going to draft Mahomes then it doesn't matter. You're right, the Bills were never going to draft QB, and that's pretty much my point. It's another year where we think the QB draft class will be better..."next year". We're more likely to draft the next John McCargo with that extra 1st round next year than we are to use it as "ammo" to get the sure thing at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) You're right, the Bills were never going to draft QB, and that's pretty much my point. It's another year where we think the QB draft class will be better..."next year". We're more likely to draft the next John McCargo with that extra 1st round next year than we are to use it as "ammo" to get the sure thing at QB. Boohoo "The Bills didn't do what I wanted, I am so angry that I will throw temper tantrums all day today" Edited April 28, 2017 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I don't know that he is a franchise QB - for Buffalo. Working with a 1st overall pick who struggled and ended up becoming a good player(and the polar opposite of what Mahomes is - takes care of the ball, doesnt drive it down field), as well as having a solid QB coach in Reid, will help Mahomes become a better player. I can't argue that at all. There's no doubt we've been ill-equipped to tame a QB for the future. It's possible that if we had drafted Ben Roethlisberger he'd have a similar fate to JP Losman. I still want us to try though. Boohoo "The Bills didn't do what I wanted, I am so angry that I will throw temper tantrums all day today" Literally only one of us is acting like a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I love how everything is argued in absolutes. What if Mahomes turns into mid-tier starter? Do the Chiefs still win the trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I can't argue that at all. There's no doubt we've been ill-equipped to tame a QB for the future. It's possible that if we had drafted Ben Roethlisberger he'd have a similar fate to JP Losman. I still want us to try though. Literally only one of us is acting like a child. I am guess it is the guy who can't get over that the Bills didn't draft a QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I am guess it is the guy who can't get over that the Bills didn't draft a QB... "I am guess" that it's the guy who gets in about 10 internet fights a day on a football message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 "I am guess" that it's the guy who gets in about 10 internet fights a day on a football message board. Lol you are the only one in a fight... We are just laughing at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Our Bills have up 171 basis draft points to do the deal so in fact using the traditional point system KC came out ahead However 171 is not alot of points but it is another draft pick we did not get Still I like the idea of the trade down Much better than giving away draft picks for players that don't achieve the value of the picks So I'll take all the extra picks Just wish we had even more in 2018 By having not signed marginal FA's jc What was this point thing that I saw Howard Simon retweet last night?\ Howard WGR Retweeted Warren Sharp @SharpFootball 18h18 hours ago Bills (#27, 91 and 1st rd in 2018) got the better deal in #NFLDraft trade w Chiefs (#10) by getting 36.1 draft points & losing 19.9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 What was this point thing that I saw Howard Simon retweet last night?\ Howard WGR Retweeted Warren Sharp @SharpFootball 18h18 hours ago Bills (#27, 91 and 1st rd in 2018) got the better deal in #NFLDraft trade w Chiefs (#10) by getting 36.1 draft points & losing 19.9. Boom and with next year's KC pck probably being 10-15 it will look even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Chiefs fans are just elated that they finally have someone willing to push the ball downfield, even if he's a high risk to bust out of the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Lol you are the only one in a fight... We are just laughing at you. Who is "we"? Here's the last thread you started, by the way: Bills have drafted 5 QBs since Kelly retired... In it you said this: How pathetic, if you don't try you will never find a QB. Here's the post of mine that you flipped out on: You're right, the Bills were never going to draft QB, and that's pretty much my point. It's another year where we think the QB draft class will be better..."next year". We're more likely to draft the next John McCargo with that extra 1st round next year than we are to use it as "ammo" to get the sure thing at QB. Apparently some people just like to argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I love how everything is argued in absolutes. What if Mahomes turns into mid-tier starter? Do the Chiefs still win the trade? No. They have a mid tier starter now. Why blow draft picks to bring in another one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Who is "we"? Here's the last thread you started, by the way: Bills have drafted 5 QBs since Kelly retired... In it you said this: Here's the post of mine that you flipped out on: Apparently some people just like to argue. Did I say draft Mahomes? Again you are angry b.c they didn't take the QB you wanted. They didn't take the QB I wanted, you don't see me crying like you. Edited April 28, 2017 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I think that you have to remember that no one expected Mitchell Trubisky to be anywhere near the NFL draft last year at this time. Mahomes wasn't even considered a first or second pround pick. Darnold has very little film at this point, we don't know if he's a sure thing at #1. A lot can change between now and then. This is true. At one point Matt Barkley looked like a lock for #1 overall as have other QB's along the way. Lets' see how it all plays out first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Did I say draft Mahomes? Did I? The problem with a guy like you, is even when you're proven to be completely full of it, you do not know when to back down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Did I? The problem with a guy like you, is even when you're proven to be completely full of it, you do not know when to back down. Pot and kettle talk right there. Back down they didn't draft Mahomes get over it. Wish all you want for him to be good so you can B word. Why am I still talking to a "fridge"... So !@#$ing lazy can't even spell refrigerator. Edited April 28, 2017 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) You tell me... The Bills never we're going to draft Mahomes then it doesn't matter. Pretty much this ^ If they though Mahomes or Watson were franchise they would have drafted them at 10. They did 100% what I wanted them to do if they thought those 2 were not the answer at QB. I still would like them to swing on Chad Kelly very late this draft. Edited April 28, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Pot and kettle talk right there. Back down they didn't draft Mahomes get over it. Wish all you want for him to be good so you can B word. I've never said I wanted Mahomes. You post so quickly, I'm not even sure you're reading half the time. I'm done talking in circles with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I think some Bills fans are upset because there wasn't as much "instant gratification" as they would like. Many would have celebrated a 2nd and 4th this year over what we got, even though next years 1st and this years 3rd is a better deal for us in my opinion. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Just checked a Chiefs message board and they are all laughing at how little they gave up.[/size]http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...=307403&page=2 Let them laugh. History is definitely NOT on their side. Take a look at trades into the top 10 for QBs over the last 17 years. There's maybe 1 that worked out well - Michael Vick way back in 2000 (before mobile QBs were popular. That trade may not even happen today). Other than that, it's hard to point to another trade into the top 10 that worked out. Sanchez? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Let them laugh. History is definitely NOT on their side. Take a look at trades into the top 10 for QBs over the last 17 years. There's maybe 1 that worked out well - Michael Vick way back in 2000 (before mobile QBs were popular. That trade may not even happen today). Other than that, it's hard to point to another trade into the top 10 that worked out. Sanchez? LOL How are you ignoring the success of the Reid era in KC? The Chiefs needs are something to help them get over the top, if the Pats stumble they will be right there to move past them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Let them laugh. History is definitely NOT on their side. Take a look at trades into the top 10 for QBs over the last 17 years. There's maybe 1 that worked out well - Michael Vick way back in 2000 (before mobile QBs were popular. That trade may not even happen today). Other than that, it's hard to point to another trade into the top 10 that worked out. Sanchez? LOL I don't really care how it works out for them. I just want the players WE pick - to work out. If we get 3 good players out of this, it'll go a long way to pushing us into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Pretty much this ^ If they though Mahomes or Watson were franchise they would have drafted them at 10. They did 100% what I wanted them to do if they thought those 2 were not the answer at QB. I still would like them to swing on Chad Kelly very late this draft. I would take Kelly too. I won't dislike any QB pick from here until the end of the draft except if we take Kizer or Webb. I've come around to Peterman tonight if we decide to go that route. Edited April 28, 2017 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I hope Mahommes starts next season so that first round pick can be really high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I wonder how much they will be laughing in a couple years when Mahomes turns out to be the next bust Andy Reid has had at QB and we have a guy from next years class leading us to the playoffs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 They can laugh. The Chiefs did two things that are not historically smart at the same time! (1) trading up for a QB very rarely works out, and (2) they drafted a guy from an Air Raid offense. But I'm sure this time it will work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I don't really care how it works out for them. I just want the players WE pick - to work out. If we get 3 good players out of this, it'll go a long way to pushing us into the playoffs. Same here. That's all that really matters at this point. I loved the trade down. Thought it was definitely the right move for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I hope Mahommes starts next season so that first round pick can be really high. ^^^ THIS ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 This is true. At one point Matt Barkley looked like a lock for #1 overall as have other QB's along the way. Lets' see how it all plays out first. Actually, Barkley and Logan Thomas were being heavily debated....to the point of ESPN devoting quite a bit of time to the subject. They seemed like a lock that they'd both make it at least......it was just which one would be greater. Last year there were a ton of people saying hold off on a QB because Deshaun Watson was a better prospect than Wentz/Goff. No idea what will happen next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Actually, Barkley and Logan Thomas were being heavily debated....to the point of ESPN devoting quite a bit of time to the subject. They seemed like a lock that they'd both make it at least......it was just which one would be greater. Last year there were a ton of people saying hold off on a QB because Deshaun Watson was a better prospect than Wentz/Goff. No idea what will happen next year. This is true. Watson was my guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I love how everything is argued in absolutes. What if Mahomes turns into mid-tier starter? Do the Chiefs still win the trade? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 You're not sure what I'm saying? I'm saying that if Mahomes is a franchise QB, the Bills lost that trade. Would you trade a rookie CB, 3rd round pick, and next years 1st for a franchise QB? If the answer is no... we didn't trade Mahomes, we traded the 10th pick. how good Mahomes does has nothing to do with the trade for either side, and everything to do with chance and the quality of respective scouting departments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 we didn't trade Mahomes, we traded the 10th pick. how good Mahomes does has nothing to do with the trade for either side, and everything to do with chance and the quality of respective scouting departments. How well Mahomes does MOST DEFINITELY determines KC's fate here. If he is anything less than their next Franchise QB they wasted a lot of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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