The Media's Portrayal of Trump and His Presidency

[DC Tom]

10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Well, he had his issues with Fox, no doubt. Never called them "enemies of the State"

 

No.  He just called them "illegitimate," "destructive," and used the Justice Department to investigate them for criminal conspiracy.

 

But he never called them "enemies of the State."  So he had that going for him, which was nice.  

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

That i cannot agree with, that prhase carries to much sordid history...And there are journalists and news readers that try as best they can to be straight shooters...Brett Baird is one, for instance, Major Garret I think as another on TV. 

 

 

 

What history is that? Information is the greatest power there is. Wars have been fought, won, and lost based on information and disinformation. The entire world almost ended in a "war"where the most utilized weapon was information. If you admit that the media at large in this country intentionally lies and provides false information and bias while waving the flag of impartiality and transparency (which you seem to admit, but feel free to correct me if necessary) then I don't see how it can be anything but a hostile faction. Again, I don't care which side this gets applied to. I think both sides have teeth in the lying game. There have been 5 or 6 really solid events in the past few months or so that prove the media's agenda and disinformation. That's hostility.

 

There are good reporters, no doubt. But if they associate with/work for organizations that are actively suppressing truth to fit their ends, then they aren't worth a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. 

[/dev/null]

8 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

No.  He just called them "illegitimate," "destructive," and used the Justice Department to investigate them for criminal conspiracy.

 

But he never called them "enemies of the State."  So he had that going for him, which was nice.  

 

Obama was usually very polite and cordial  when he told us there is no smidgen of corruption in any of the agencies he weaponized against political opponents

[DC Tom]

48 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Obama was usually very polite and cordial  when he told us there is no smidgen of corruption in any of the agencies he weaponized against political opponents

 

Reminder: the next time people call a black candidate "well-spoken," the subtext isn't "for a black man."  It's "unlike Trump."

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

my point was this guy has repeatedly called the press/media the Enemy of the People/State. The last president to say those types of things tried to have licenses taken away(hmm, who has brought that up again), tried to bully papers into not reporting on the truth and led him to commit several crimes down the road.

 

Logic also dictates that if Trump is willing to declare a national emergency as our country is being "invaded", a word only used in conjunction with enemies, not friends, than it stands to reason the press, ie "enemies of the people" also demands a national emergency declaration no?

 

And that my friends, is scary as all hell.

 

I simply don't know how you watch any of the media today covering the president of the United States and not realize that they ARE moreso an enemy of the people than any time I can remember.

 

And for the umpteenth time, I DO NOT LIKE TRUMP...but the left has losts its mind, their lies are early and often, and the only difference between what I think and what they think is that THEY think  their work is for the good of the people because their Journo-List bubble blinds them to understand another side that doesn't agree with theirs.

 

It's clear and obvious, and if you want the charges against them to stop, perhaps the first step would be for people like Acosta to stop making themselves the story.

 

 

Edited February 18, 2019 by LABillzFan

[DC Tom]

Just now, LABillzFan said:

 

I simply don't know how you watch any of the media today covering the president of the United States and not realize that they ARE moreso an enemy of the people than any time I can remember.

 

And for the umpteenth time, I DO NOT LIKE TRUMP...

 

 

Most people accused of liking Trump really don't like Trump, they just like watching the left act like rabid kindergartners.  

[IDBillzFan]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

Most people accused of liking Trump really don't like Trump, they just like watching the left act like rabid kindergartners.  

 

Clark, that's the gift that just keeps on giving.

Watching leftists foam at the mouth is hysterical. And just when you think they're done, along comes @Coach Tuesday to spit his foam all over the place.

[row_33]

1 minute ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Clark, that's the gift that just keeps on giving.

Watching leftists foam at the mouth is hysterical. And just when you think they're done, along comes @Coach Tuesday to spit his foam all over the place.

 

Making all these “tolerant and loving and logical” people go ape-poop in six seconds never gets old

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

CBS’S LARA LOGAN CALLS MEDIA ‘MOSTLY LIBERAL’ IN SCORCHED EARTH INTERVIEW: I’M COMMITTING ‘PROFESSIONAL SUICIDE.’

 

Why is that? As the Washington Post noted in 2006, even Bill Clinton admitted this was true:

…[Bill Clinton] said Democrats of his generation tend to be naive about new media realities. There is an expectation among Democrats that establishment old media organizations are de facto allies — and will rebut political accusations and serve as referees on new-media excesses.

 

“We’re all that way, and I think a part of it is we grew up in the ’60s and the press led us against the war and the press led us on civil rights and the press led us on Watergate,” Clinton said. “Those of us of a certain age grew up with this almost unrealistic set of expectations.”

 

 

Almost…

 

 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

No.  He just called them "illegitimate," "destructive," and used the Justice Department to investigate them for criminal conspiracy.

 

But he never called them "enemies of the State."  So he had that going for him, which was nice.  

I again believe the exact phrase "enemy of the people/state" can be construed as a dog whistle to the far right..and it bothers me. I hope you have noticed in the last year I have consistently said " words matter" and I believe that phrase matters

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

What history is that? Information is the greatest power there is. Wars have been fought, won, and lost based on information and disinformation. The entire world almost ended in a "war"where the most utilized weapon was information. If you admit that the media at large in this country intentionally lies and provides false information and bias while waving the flag of impartiality and transparency (which you seem to admit, but feel free to correct me if necessary) then I don't see how it can be anything but a hostile faction. Again, I don't care which side this gets applied to. I think both sides have teeth in the lying game. There have been 5 or 6 really solid events in the past few months or so that prove the media's agenda and disinformation. That's hostility.

 

There are good reporters, no doubt. But if they associate with/work for organizations that are actively suppressing truth to fit their ends, then they aren't worth a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. 

the history of dictators and authoritarianism..again, I am not claiming Trump is so...but the words are the words...see below

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/03/trump-enemy-of-the-people-meaning-history

1 hour ago, LABillzFan said:

 

I simply don't know how you watch any of the media today covering the president of the United States and not realize that they ARE moreso an enemy of the people than any time I can remember.

 

And for the umpteenth time, I DO NOT LIKE TRUMP...but the left has losts its mind, their lies are early and often, and the only difference between what I think and what they think is that THEY think  their work is for the good of the people because their Journo-List bubble blinds them to understand another side that doesn't agree with theirs.

 

It's clear and obvious, and if you want the charges against them to stop, perhaps the first step would be for people like Acosta to stop making themselves the story.

 

 

I understand your point, and I guess my point is that you could make that statement all the way back to the 20's. I watch way too many documentaries, this is no new phenomenon. Negative nabobs of negativity ring a bell?  That administration committed crimes they were so convinced the press was out to crush to them. That was 50 years ago.Lets not forget the bias against Al Smith, the progressive, just cause he was Catholic and the press killing him as an agent of Rome. Bias has always existed, just Trump supporters cry and whine about it more than any group in history.

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Most people accused of liking Trump really don't like Trump, they just like watching the left act like rabid kindergartners.  

I hate Trump, and I like watching the Left lose it..soooo????

[whatdrought]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

the history of dictators and authoritarianism..again, I am not claiming Trump is so...but the words are the words...see below

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/03/trump-enemy-of-the-people-meaning-history

 

 

I see what you're saying about the history of that phrase, but I don't think a phrase is proof of totalitarianism. I struggle to see phrases themselves as evil based on their history. They may elicit certain thoughts and ideas, but I think we always need to take it back to the context of the conversation to know what's right and what's wrong. That being said, I don't mind his comments cause I'm not sure he's wrong when he labels the press in that way. Now, if it's some secret nod to Stalin or whatever, that I don't support- obviously.

[Hedge]

3 hours ago, unbillievable said:

I don't remember people freaking out this much when Obama was President... and that guy did a lot of ridiculous stuff.

 

Daring to question Hussein led to cries of racism. Along with cries of "you may not like the man, but you should respect the office!"

 

Only 1 of these does the left dare to still use today.

[IDBillzFan]

10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Bias has always existed, just Trump supporters cry and whine about it more than any group in history.

 

This is one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read here. You genuinely believe that in the history of the world, Trump supports whine and cry about bias more than any other group?

 

Wait. Let me guess.  I need to adjust my sarcasm meter.  

 

What Trump has managed to do is show the bias to be SO blatant and SO obvious, that even non-Trump supports complain about it. You honestly find DC Tom to be a Trump supporter? GG? DR? Me? The orange peanut is embarrassing as all hell, but he makes the left piss their pants so badly and so often, you're essentially left to make ridiculously embarrassing statements like, oh, gee, "Trump supporters cry and whine about it more than any group in history."

 

Just because you're surrounded by pieholes like 34, Tibs, and @Coach Tuesday (who never met a discussion he couldn't wait to run away from) doesn't excuse you from making similarly ridiculous comments as them.

 

Try harder. You're no Donner Party jock sniffer.

 

 

 

 

 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

This is one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read here. You genuinely believe that in the history of the world, Trump supports whine and cry about bias more than any other group?

 

Wait. Let me guess.  I need to adjust my sarcasm meter.  

 

What Trump has managed to do is show the bias to be SO blatant and SO obvious, that even non-Trump supports complain about it. You honestly find DC Tom to be a Trump supporter? GG? DR? Me? The orange peanut is embarrassing as all hell, but he makes the left piss their pants so badly and so often, you're essentially left to make ridiculously embarrassing statements like, oh, gee, "Trump supporters cry and whine about it more than any group in history."

 

Just because you're surrounded by pieholes like 34, Tibs, and @Coach Tuesday (who never met a discussion he couldn't wait to run away from) doesn't excuse you from making similarly ridiculous comments as them.

 

Try harder. You're no Donner Party jock sniffer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus all the people you mention were laughing the hardest at the Trump candidacy when he first announced, didn't think he had a chance, thought he would be an awful President who's over his head, and would probably step down within 18 months because the job was too big for him.

 

We also had something in common, which was the uproarious laughter that he actually bat Hillary, making her the hands down the worst POTUS candidate, despite somebody telling us that she was the most qualified in the history of the world.

 

And on Nov 7, we all decided to give the orange blob a chance, because he couldn't screw things up too badly, and at the very least he would finally deliver on the 9th summer of economic recovery.   Since that time, he's surprised everyone by being a lot better than the incompetent boob I thought he'd be.  He's still a childish thin skinned narcissist.  But I also can't argue with the results.

[B-Man]

SOME THOUGHTS ON JOURNALISM FROM JIM TREACHER:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

The entire world almost ended in a "war"where the most utilized weapon was information.

 

What "war" are you referring to?

 

Cuban Missile Crisis?

Edited February 19, 2019 by reddogblitz

[B-Man]

Quick Reminder:

 

A Catholic school in Kentucky had to cancel classes due to threats because of media coverage.

 

 

  

OR, AT LEAST, THEY PRETENDED TO BELIEVE, BECAUSE IT ADVANCED THE NARRATIVE:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[row_33]

41 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

What "war" are you referring to?

 

Cuban Missile Crisis?

 

When Kramer was going to put the hurt on Newman’s Ukraine on the Risk game on the subway 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, LABillzFan said:

 

This is one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read here. You genuinely believe that in the history of the world, Trump supports whine and cry about bias more than any other group?

 

Wait. Let me guess.  I need to adjust my sarcasm meter.  

 

What Trump has managed to do is show the bias to be SO blatant and SO obvious, that even non-Trump supports complain about it. You honestly find DC Tom to be a Trump supporter? GG? DR? Me? The orange peanut is embarrassing as all hell, but he makes the left piss their pants so badly and so often, you're essentially left to make ridiculously embarrassing statements like, oh, gee, "Trump supporters cry and whine about it more than any group in history."

 

Just because you're surrounded by pieholes like 34, Tibs, and @Coach Tuesday (who never met a discussion he couldn't wait to run away from) doesn't excuse you from making similarly ridiculous comments as them.

 

Try harder. You're no Donner Party jock sniffer.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dude, you are the exact embodiment .of all you claim to disdain. I want folks to be independent, thinking populace, you want people to follow rhetoric.

When I agree with Trump, i don't see the see the hate and scorn, or ridicule about my thoughts being amongst the most ridiculous ever. When I disagree however, I am lowering my self to posters or groups you disagree with and being called a total idiot. It does not bother me BTW. I just know you can be better than just an abject follower. But your posts are proof of whiny ass Trump/Right supporters that say " every one stereotypes me..boo hoo, not fair!. Your opinion is different than mine, you are an idiot co-opted by the media". Jesus, grow a freaking a pair and argue points, not whine about perceived grievances. 

 

You want people to respect your ideas, you have to respect others ideas. You don't. You dismiss them outright as foolishness. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone here with any intelligence who says I don't listen to the ideas  of people i disagree with and get persuaded by sound, fact-based arguments. You, however, dismiss any idea that is not the same as yours as idiotic..or as some may say afraid to question your beliefs.

 

 

And yes  Trump supporters/Obama haters are the most put upon group I have ever witnessed in my 56 years on this earth..they perceive everything as a slight, see everything as a stereotype, see anyone who wants to argue points and ideas on merit as an "enemy of the state"and brainwashed by the media...in other words afraid to argue points on merit, and only want to rely on slogans and and slander.

 

Edited February 19, 2019 by plenzmd1

[whatdrought]

45 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

What "war" are you referring to?

 

Cuban Missile Crisis?

 

Cold War...

[GG]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Dude, you are the exact embodiment .of all you claim to disdain. That being an independent, thinking, populace.

When I agree with Trump, i don't see the see the hate and scorn, or ridicule about my thoughts being amongst the most ridiculous ever. When I disagree however, I am lowering my self to posters or groups you disagree with and being called  a total idiot. It does not bother me BTW. I just knoiw you can be beterr than just an abject follower. But your posts are  proof of whiny ass Trump/Right supporters that say " every one stereotypes me..boo hoo, not fair!. Your opinion is different than mine, you are an idiot co-opted by the media". Jesus, grow a freaking a pair and argue points, not whine about perceived grievances. 

 

You want people to respect your ideas, you have to respect others ideas. You don't. You dismiss them outright as foolishness. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone here with any intelligence who says I don't listen to the idea of people i disgaree with,  and get persuaded by sound, fact-based arguments. You, however, dismiss any idea that is not the same as yours as idiotic..or as some may say afraid ti question your beliefs.

 

 

And yes yes, Trump supporters/Obama haters are the most put upon group I have ever witnessed in my 56 years on this earth..they percive every thing as a slight, see everyting as a sterotype, see anyone who wants to argue points and ideas on merit as an "enemy of the stare"and brainwashed by the media...in other words afraid to argue points on merit, and only want to rely on slogans and and slander.

 

 

You actually sound like JohnC defending Housley.    There’s been infinitely more criticism of Trump on this forum by the people you proclaim are his fans than anything we’ve seen from Obama’s fans in the prior 8 years.  What you claim is whining are actually constant reminders of the hypocritical nature of the people whose jobs are to be objective in their reporting.  

 

Trump is a raw vulgarian, and that’s why most people don’t like him.  Doesn’t mean that he’s done a bad job in his actions.  It would be nice if more people like you focused on actual results than to pay attention to hos twitter account.  

[plenzmd1]

9 minutes ago, GG said:

 

You actually sound like JohnC defending Housley.    There’s been infinitely more criticism of Trump on this forum by the people you proclaim are his fans than anything we’ve seen from Obama’s fans in the prior 8 years.  What you claim is whining are actually constant reminders of the hypocritical nature of the people whose jobs are to be objective in their reporting.  

 

Trump is a raw vulgarian, and that’s why most people don’t like him.  Doesn’t mean that he’s done a bad job in his actions.  It would be nice if more people like you focused on actual results than to pay attention to hos twitter account.  

see, I am fine arguing results, that makes sense to me and is an argument we can have( btw, I think his results suck, but that another argument)... I am all for that. You have your views, I have mine..lets debate! As @JohnC and i do in the Sabres thread. We could not be more diametrically opposed, but neither of us has called each other an idiot or called each other stupid etc ...we are arguing things as we see them. I mean he is wrong, but I love to hear his side! 

 

 

Edited February 19, 2019 by plenzmd1

[GG]

If you don’t think he’s done more positive things, then you’re not looking at the right places.   The economy is finally humming along, despite more headwinds.  Regulations are coming down, and business and consumers get their confidence back.  He managed to beat back the Obamacare yoke.  The downside is there’s no permanent solution in place, but he also started the ball rolling in addressing the drug pricing arbitrage.

 

He’s waging a very high stakes battle with his tariff gambits, but as we’re discussing in other threads, he’s using them more for strategic reasons to get China in line than for economic.  He’s right to hammer Huawei and by extension China.  no one had the balls to do it before.  When he wins that battle, it will be a two prong win - strategic and economic.  

 

He’s also taken a winning approach to a changed US foreign policy.  While isolationist in tone, it’s been much more aggressive in actually using American power to achieve our foreign policy goals.  We’ll see if North Korea is a ruse, but so far it doesn’t look like it.  The Iran stance is clearly a huge positive.

 

The wall rhetoric is over the top, but most of it is to fulfill a campaign promise. He’s backed off much of what he was clamoring for in the campaign and few thought he would get a complete land wall.  But its equally silly to block any type of  barrier expansion and to completely change your tune on immigration simply because Trump supports it.

 

Now it’s your turn.  Name the actual instances where his results really suck.

Edited February 19, 2019 by GG

[Foxx]

10 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

I again believe the exact phrase "enemy of the people/state" can be construed as a dog whistle to the far right..and it bothers me. I hope you have noticed in the last year I have consistently said " words matter" and I believe that phrase matters ...

 

what does this, 'dog whistle' call those on the far right to do? in mean, i don't believe we have seen anything from far right peeps that could be construed as a movement into 'action'. 

 

do you believe that there was/are/is enemies of the people/state?

[MILFHUNTER#518]

16 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's always exciting when you see the other half of a liberals brain suddenly turn on and they begin to explain things to you that we have on the right have always know. It's like watching a child. Welcome to being red-pilled.

[JohnC]

9 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

see, I am fine arguing results, that makes sense to me and is an argument we can have( btw, I think his results suck, but that another argument)... I am all for that. You have your views, I have mine..lets debate! As @JohnC and i do in the Sabres thread. We could not be more diametrically opposed, but neither of us has called each other an idiot or called each other stupid etc ...we are arguing things as we see them. I mean he is wrong, but I love to hear his side! 

 

 

I haven't explicitly called you an idiot. But am I a bad person if the thought has come up with great frequency?  

[DC Tom]

10 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

see, I am fine arguing results, that makes sense to me and is an argument we can have( btw, I think his results suck, but that another argument)... I am all for that. You have your views, I have mine..lets debate! As @JohnC and i do in the Sabres thread. We could not be more diametrically opposed, but neither of us has called each other an idiot or called each other stupid etc ...we are arguing things as we see them. I mean he is wrong, but I love to hear his side! 

 

 

 

Sorry, I was distracted.

 

You're an idiot.

[plenzmd1]

11 hours ago, GG said:

If you don’t think he’s done more positive things, then you’re not looking at the right places.   The economy is finally humming along, despite more headwinds.  Regulations are coming down, and business and consumers get their confidence back.  He managed to beat back the Obamacare yoke.  The downside is there’s no permanent solution in place, but he also started the ball rolling in addressing the drug pricing arbitrage.

 

He’s waging a very high stakes battle with his tariff gambits, but as we’re discussing in other threads, he’s using them more for strategic reasons to get China in line than for economic.  He’s right to hammer Huawei and by extension China.  no one had the balls to do it before.  When he wins that battle, it will be a two prong win - strategic and economic.  

 

He’s also taken a winning approach to a changed US foreign policy.  While isolationist in tone, it’s been much more aggressive in actually using American power to achieve our foreign policy goals.  We’ll see if North Korea is a ruse, but so far it doesn’t look like it.  The Iran stance is clearly a huge positive.

 

The wall rhetoric is over the top, but most of it is to fulfill a campaign promise. He’s backed off much of what he was clamoring for in the campaign and few thought he would get a complete land wall.  But its equally silly to block any type of  barrier expansion and to completely change your tune on immigration simply because Trump supports it.

 

Now it’s your turn.  Name the actual instances where his results really suck.

*****, i just had a lengthy reply and it went bye-bye when i hit the return key twice. Will redo after next meeting. Did not want you to think i was ignoring the question.

 

BTW, does that happen to other people as well?

[Nanker]

5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

*****, i just had a lengthy reply and it went bye-bye when i hit the return key twice. Will redo after next meeting. Did not want you to think i was ignoring the question.

 

BTW, does that happen to other people as well?

Sometimes. But in my phone the editor restores my text (sometimes) if I never hit the submit button.

I post on different devices through the day, and evening, and overnight.

You might try going to the main (foosball) page and then try to respond again on that thread once you're back here.

It might work. Like I said, it's spotty. Sometimes it gets restored and I've already posted my response. Probably has to do with my browser cache too. 

Good luck. Keep posting! them

[IDBillzFan]

21 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

BTW, does that happen to other people as well?

 

Yes, but a lot of times when I return to the "Reply to this topic" field, what I lost is somehow autosaved as soon as I move the cursor to the field.

[plenzmd1]

14 hours ago, GG said:

If you don’t think he’s done more positive things, then you’re not looking at the right places.   The economy is finally humming along, despite more headwinds.  Regulations are coming down, and business and consumers get their confidence back.  He managed to beat back the Obamacare yoke.  The downside is there’s no permanent solution in place, but he also started the ball rolling in addressing the drug pricing arbitrage.

 

He’s waging a very high stakes battle with his tariff gambits, but as we’re discussing in other threads, he’s using them more for strategic reasons to get China in line than for economic.  He’s right to hammer Huawei and by extension China.  no one had the balls to do it before.  When he wins that battle, it will be a two prong win - strategic and economic.  

 

He’s also taken a winning approach to a changed US foreign policy.  While isolationist in tone, it’s been much more aggressive in actually using American power to achieve our foreign policy goals.  We’ll see if North Korea is a ruse, but so far it doesn’t look like it.  The Iran stance is clearly a huge positive.

 

The wall rhetoric is over the top, but most of it is to fulfill a campaign promise. He’s backed off much of what he was clamoring for in the campaign and few thought he would get a complete land wall.  But its equally silly to block any type of  barrier expansion and to completely change your tune on immigration simply because Trump supports it.

 

Now it’s your turn.  Name the actual instances where his results really suck.

Okay, 2nd try LOL, truncated form

• While I do believe the economy is in good shape and growing, albeit at the same pace it was pre-Trump,  he got his 2 quarter bump by juicing the economy with that assinine tax cut. Believe me, the demand for skilled workers has been outpacing supply since at least 2010. Trump and his cut gave a lift to unskilled workers, but its a lift that to me is not sustainable, and that will get even worse when the deleterious effects of his trade policies really start to hit home in 2020 and beyond. I know this sounds callous, but if you were not working and enjoying the growth in the economy in 2010-2018 , its cause you were unskilled and/or uneducated. Your fault in other words, not the government or the economy.
• Conservatives have railed for years the Dems were "Tax and Spend" ..well, so far he has the spend part down pat, be nice if he had the revenues to cover his spending habits. We should be reducing deficits if the economy so good, they are growing at alarming rates.
• As mentioned above, I do not think his trade policies will pan out, and I think he will get out-negotiated by folks much smarter and more patient than him. Trade policies hit his base the hardest, he will cave on demands, declare victory none the less, and leave us in worse shape than before all IMHO.
• His strategy of being adversarial to get what he wants works when he is trying to get a vendor to agree to better terms, I don't believe it works in foreign policy. I applaud his efforts to get all of NATO to pay their fair share..long overdue. But for the rest of our allies to now view us as,  at best , of being neither friend nor foe is disturbing. I do like he wants us out of never-ending wars..I applaud that..but acknowledge the middle east stuff confuses me. I like reading what @Deranged Rhino posts, and I trust his takes on many views on the events in that region( i know @DC Tom , I am an idiot for saying that)
• His insistence that climate change is not real is just fanciful to me . One can argue causes certainly, but one cannot argue empirical evidence the climate is changing. Having said,  I agree with many of his initiatives on business deregulation, just not all, especially when it comes to many environmental regulations. Relaxing regulations so a dying industry like coal can have another decade is just folly to me.. Stop corporate welfare and let the freaking industry die as it should. You want to be compassionate to coal miners??? have them trained with new skills. They don't want new skills? Fug em. 
• And maybe I have missed something, but I don't remember seeing anything from this administration that fundamentally addresses the massive issue we have with entitlements right now. And that flat out sucks. 

And at the heart of it all, I think Trump has ripped out the heart and soul of America. There have always been differences..Liberal, Conservative etc..always will be. But I feel his rhetoric, his use of the language as mentioned above..his incessant mistruths and lies have sapped the ability for us as a country to have any kind of common goals or aspirations. We see it on this very board, where we attack the person instead of attack and debate the idea and position.  .I believe he has sapped the ability for America to lead on a global stage from a position of moral strength, and that discourages the hell out of me. 

 

To bring it full circle to the point of this thread, I think the liberal press reacts more to his demeanor and his moral compass than they do to his policy decisions. That's on him, and tthe press Act like a Buffon, insult people, call them names..they gonna fight back. He uses the bully pulpit of the Presidency, they use their power of audience. 

 

I guess bthe est way to sum it up is I believe Trump has done many good things, many i don't agree with as well, as it has been with evry president to me since Reagan. But the ends do not always justify the means ...and his means ..aye yi yi!!!!

[3rdnlng]

9 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

*****, i just had a lengthy reply and it went bye-bye when i hit the return key twice. Will redo after next meeting. Did not want you to think i was ignoring the question.

 

BTW, does that happen to other people as well?

You must have your fact checker mode turned on. Turn it off and it will allow you to post.

[row_33]

5 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Okay, 2nd try LOL, truncated form

• While I do believe the economy is in good shape and growing, albeit at the same pace it was pre-Trump,  he got his 2 quarter bump by juicing the economy with that assinine tax cut. Believe me, the demand for skilled workers has been outpacing supply since at least 2010. Trump and his cut gave a lift to unskilled workers, but its a lift that to me is not sustainable, and that will get even worse when the deleterious effects of his trade policies really start to hit home in 2020 and beyond. I know this sounds callous, but if you were not working and enjoying the growth in the economy in 2010-2018 , its cause you were unskilled and/or uneducated. Your fault in other words, not the government or the economy.
• Conservatives have railed for years the Dems were "Tax and Spend" ..well, so far he has the spend part down pat, be nice if he had the revenues to cover his spending habits. We should be reducing deficits if the economy so good, they are growing at alarming rates.
• As mentioned above, I do not think his trade policies will pan out, and I think he will get out-negotiated by folks much smarter and more patient than him. Trade policies hit his base the hardest, he will cave on demands, declare victory none the less, and leave us in worse shape than before all IMHO.
• His strategy of being adversarial to get what he wants works when he is trying to get a vendor to agree to better terms, I don't believe it works in foreign policy. I applaud his efforts to get all of NATO to pay their fair share..long overdue. But for the rest of our allies to now view us as,  at best , of being neither friend nor foe is disturbing. I do like he wants us out of never-ending wars..I applaud that..but acknowledge the middle east stuff confuses me. I like reading what @Deranged Rhino posts, and I trust his takes on many views on the events in that region( i know @DC Tom , I am an idiot for saying that)
• His insistence that climate change is not real is just fanciful to me . One can argue causes certainly, but one cannot argue empirical evidence the climate is changing. Having said,  I agree with many of his initiatives on business deregulation, just not all, especially when it comes to many environmental regulations. Relaxing regulations so a dying industry like coal can have another decade is just folly to me.. Stop corporate welfare and let the freaking industry die as it should. You want to be compassionate to coal miners??? have them trained with new skills. They don't want new skills? Fug em. 
• And maybe I have missed something, but I don't remember seeing anything from this administration that fundamentally addresses the massive issue we have with entitlements right now. And that flat out sucks. 

And at the heart of it all, I think Trump has ripped out the heart and soul of America. There have always been differences..Liberal, Conservative etc..always will be. But I feel his rhetoric, his use of the language as mentioned above..his incessant mistruths and lies have sapped the ability for us as a country to have any kind of common goals or aspirations. We see it on this very board, where we attack the person instead of attack and debate the idea and position.  .I believe he has sapped the ability for America to lead on a global stage from a position of moral strength, and that discourages the hell out of me. 

 

To bring it full circle to the point of this thread, I think the liberal press reacts more to his demeanor and his moral compass than they do to his policy decisions. That's on him, and tthe press Act like a Buffon, insult people, call them names..they gonna fight back. He uses the bully pulpit of the Presidency, they use their power of audience. 

 

I guess bthe est way to sum it up is I believe Trump has done many good things, many i don't agree with as well, as it has been with evry president to me since Reagan. But the ends do not always justify the means ...and his means ..aye yi yi!!!!

 

America has lost its innocence?

 

for the 209th time?

 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

9 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You must have your fact checker mode turned on. Turn it off and it will allow you to post.

That truly me LOL..thank you, needed that after watching Sabres first period!!!!

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

America has lost its innocence?

 

for the 209th time?

 

 

 

not its innocence, it's moral compass

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

That truly me LOL..thank you, needed that after watching Sabres first period!!!!

not its innocence, it's moral compass

2nd period is more like it.

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Richard Painter, my God.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

not its innocence, it's moral compass

 

Rap Music and Youtube did that.    Trump came after.   

[plenzmd1]

12 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Rap Music and Youtube did that.    Trump came after.   

Rap Music and Youtube, not the POTUS would sure hope we hold POTUS to a higher standard than Biggie. 

 

And I don't think there is anty debate Kendrick Lamar has more integrity and honesty in his big toe than Trump has in his whole body

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LOL...........My God. per the Media, Republicans are now pouncing on the pouncing.

[row_33]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

That truly me LOL..thank you, needed that after watching Sabres first period!!!!

not its innocence, it's moral compass

 

That was gone by 1700