Deranged Rhino Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 11:47 AM, Deranged Rhino said: Did you watch it? What does he say? I don't have the time to watch it. Tried to do it while working, but it's too distracting. Not easy listening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 hours ago, bbb said: Did you watch it? What does he say? I don't have the time to watch it. Tried to do it while working, but it's too distracting. Not easy listening. (this is the topline) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Trump is rubbing off on everyone now! Me, me, me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Brown Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 21 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: (this is the topline) Here's an idea. Just say the Neo-nazi's and white suprmacists are to be totally condemned and leave it at that. Avoids a lot of confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Here's an idea. Just say the Neo-nazi's and white suprmacists are to be totally condemned and leave it at that. Avoids a lot of confusion. Don't forget Antifa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Don't forget Antifa. Them as well. Just whatever you do don't say there's some very fine people on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Them as well. Just whatever you do don't say there's some very fine people on both sides. I disagree with this sentiment, because it leaves the folks who were there protesting the removal of their heritage wrongly discarded as the racists the media (the left) were trying to paint them as; and continue to do as evidenced by the conversation we're having right now. This is a culture war being fought right now, and the President did well not to discard his base, and allow the left to frame the terms of debate. It's a mistake far too many Republicans have made in their fear of being called a racist, but the President doesn't care. He's done the right thing, and has punched back, claiming the high ground, and making the charges of racism toothless, as the lies they are. He's winning, and it's a major reason why. Further, he needs to win, knows it, and would be a fool to relinquish his weapons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I disagree with this sentiment, because it leaves the folks who were there protesting the removal of their heritage wrongly discarded as the racists the media (the left) were trying to paint them as; and continue to do as evidenced by the conversation we're having right now. This is a culture war being fought right now, and the President did well not to discard his base, and allow the left to frame the terms of debate. It's a mistake far too many Republicans have made in their fear of being called a racist, but the President doesn't care. He's done the right thing, and has punched back, claiming the high ground, and making the charges of racism toothless, as the lies they are. He's winning, and it's a major reason why. Further, he needs to win, knows it, and would be a fool to relinquish his weapons. I guess if you're in favor of the president creating even more divisiveness by engaging in culture wars, but he could've been clearer with his words if he's going to comment on an event that controversial that eventually lead to a death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I guess if you're in favor of the president creating even more divisiveness by engaging in culture wars, but he could've been clearer with his words if he's going to comment on an event that controversial that eventually lead to a death. The President is not creating the divisiveness. The President is simply not elegant when speaking off the cuff, and the media are choosing to try and frame his words in the worst way possible without providing context. They have given up any pretext of simply reporting and allowing the reader/watcher to make up their mind, and have instead elected to lie and report that the President is saying things he is not, often on purpose. The President spoke, and made a reasonable statement. The divisiveness was created by those who reported something other than what he said. As to the culture war, it's coming to a head and cannot be stopped. The left and the right hold diametrically opposed, and incompatible views on how we should live. Trump is a symptom of the problem. He was elected because every day Americans got tired of being bullied further and and further to the left, being told they were homophobic/transphobic if they they didn't want grown men in their daughter's locker room, hateful if they wanted to peacefully practice their religion, misogynistic if they were against late term abortions, the cause of all the world's ills if they had the audacity to be born white, or God forbid, white AND male. Trump was elected because conservatives finally woke up and recognized that the enemy was at the gates, and elected a war-time President to punch back and take back ground. It's what he was elected to do. Edited March 20, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The President is not creating the divisiveness. The President is simply not elegant when speaking off the cuff, and the media are choosing to try and frame his words in the worst way possible without providing context. They have given up any pretext of simply reporting and allowing the reader/watcher to make up their mind, and have instead elected to lie and report that the President is saying things he is not, often on purpose. The President spoke, and made a reasonable statement. The divisiveness was created by those who reported something other than what he said. He's adding to it. Like when Obama said Trayvon Martin could've been his son. Another example with Trump is when he called NFL kneelers "SOB's" that should be fired. Edited March 20, 2019 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: He's adding to it. Like when Obama said Trevon Martin could've been his son. Another example with Trump is when he called NFL kneelers "SOB's" that should be fired. See my edited post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The President is not creating the divisiveness. The President is simply not elegant when speaking off the cuff, and the media are choosing to try and frame his words in the worst way possible without providing context. They have given up any pretext of simply reporting and allowing the reader/watcher to make up their mind, and have instead elected to lie and report that the President is saying things he is not, often on purpose. The President spoke, and made a reasonable statement. The divisiveness was created by those who reported something other than what he said. As to the culture war, it's coming to a head and cannot be stopped. The left and the right hold diametrically opposed, and incompatible views on how we should live. Trump is a symptom of the problem. He was elected because every day Americans got tired of being bullied further and and further to the left, being told they were homophobic/transphobic if they they didn't want grown men in their daughter's locker room, hateful if they wanted to peacefully practice their religion, misogynistic if they were against late term abortions, the cause of all the world's ills if they had the audacity to be born white, or God forbid, white AND male. Trump was elected because conservatives finally woke up and recognized that the enemy was at the gates, and elected a war-time President to punch back and take back ground. It's what he was elected to do. I don't disagree with anything you said, but I think there's still a chance that a truly transformational president that can help heal the divide with the 80% of people who aren't tfg on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I don't disagree with anything you said, but I think there's still a chance that a truly transformational president that can help heal the divide with the 80% of people who aren't tfg on both sides. I'm not so sure. It used to be that we wanted the same things, but had different ideas about how to get there; that's no longer the case. There can be no compromise with what the left currently holds as their policy positions; and I'm not willing to discuss ideas with someone who says I'm a racist because I disagree with them, as there's no path towards resolution there. The left has been fostering this divide for decades, and the right has continued to offer little resistance while giving ground. We've just about reached Bleeding Kansas, and someone is going to have to win. Edited March 20, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I guess if you're in favor of the president creating even more divisiveness by engaging in culture wars, but he could've been clearer with his words if he's going to comment on an event that controversial that eventually lead to a death. He knows what buttons to push to drive you crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I don't disagree with anything you said, but I think there's still a chance that a truly transformational president that can help heal the divide with the 80% of people who aren't tfg on both sides. Who do you think could be this transformational president today? In fact, what past president could do this today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The President is not creating the divisiveness. The President is simply not elegant when speaking off the cuff, and the media are choosing to try and frame his words in the worst way possible without providing context. They have given up any pretext of simply reporting and allowing the reader/watcher to make up their mind, and have instead elected to lie and report that the President is saying things he is not, often on purpose. The President spoke, and made a reasonable statement. The divisiveness was created by those who reported something other than what he said. As to the culture war, it's coming to a head and cannot be stopped. The left and the right hold diametrically opposed, and incompatible views on how we should live. Trump is a symptom of the problem. He was elected because every day Americans got tired of being bullied further and and further to the left, being told they were homophobic/transphobic if they they didn't want grown men in their daughter's locker room, hateful if they wanted to peacefully practice their religion, misogynistic if they were against late term abortions, the cause of all the world's ills if they had the audacity to be born white, or God forbid, white AND male. Trump was elected because conservatives finally woke up and recognized that the enemy was at the gates, and elected a war-time President to punch back and take back ground. It's what he was elected to do. Or, he’s a racist douche, too stupid to speak off the cuff. How do you blame the media when we hear his words live at press conference? He says what he says, the media isn’t editing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Look at what the mean old media is posting now! You didn't see the media (deep state) printing things like this from Obama's advisors spouses! Congratulations! You just guaranteed that millions of more people are going to learn about narcissistic personality disorder and malignant narcissism! Great job! https://t.co/Dk9bI3sBs7 — George Conway (@gtconway3d) March 19, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I don't disagree with anything you said, but I think there's still a chance that a truly transformational president that can help heal the divide with the 80% of people who aren't tfg on both sides. Truly transformational president? How about adults learn to act like adults? What Trump said he said once. It wasn't hard to understand. Selected parts of it were then repeated 1000 times and redefined what he said. An adult could spend 30 seconds and figure out what really happened. Today, the left dominates the narrative, tomorrow who knows? Either way, being an adult is a decent defense. Not to mention transformational presidents aren't exactly the plan unless they're named Mao or Lenin. Edited March 20, 2019 by 4merper4mer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, BigMcD said: Or, he’s a racist douche, too stupid to speak off the cuff. How do you blame the media when we hear his words live at press conference? He says what he says, the media isn’t editing it. They absolutely are editing his words. The statement made after the VA rally is proof of that and is only about 15 posts above this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Looks like HAHA Gator is colluding with a Canadian right here in PPP. Not only is he wrong in doing so, he has bad taste. Which one you say? Flip a coin and you won't be wrong either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, BigMcD said: Or, he’s a racist douche, too stupid to speak off the cuff. How do you blame the media when we hear his words live at press conference? He says what he says, the media isn’t editing it. The text of his speech proves you wrong, or lying. The media selectively truncated what the President said in order to shift the meaning of what he said to the opposite of his purpose. And unlike the President, who condemned bad actors on both sides of the conflict, and praised both sides good people, in what should have been viewed as a unifying statement; the media weaponized soundbytes in order to foment division and stoke hatered. Edited March 20, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The text of his speech proves you wrong, or lying. The media selectively truncated what the President said in order to shift the meaning of what he said to the opposite of his purpose. And unlike the President, who condemned bad actors on both sides of the conflict, and praised both sides good people, in what should have been viewed as a unifying statement; the media weaponized soundbytes in order to forment division and stoke hatered. Oh, the big bad media! Do they edit his incoherent Twitter rants before they are posted? Did they intercept his live feeds from his rallies and put a fake voice in there to make it sound like he was hateful moron? His is representative of the words that come out of his mouth. Act like a scumbag and people will call you a scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Look at what the mean old media is posting now! You didn't see the media (deep state) printing things like this from Obama's advisors spouses! Congratulations! You just guaranteed that millions of more people are going to learn about narcissistic personality disorder and malignant narcissism! Great job! https://t.co/Dk9bI3sBs7 — George Conway (@gtconway3d) March 19, 2019 Mr. Kellyanne Conway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Everyone is a clinical psychiatrist these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, BigMcD said: Oh, the big bad media! Do they edit his incoherent Twitter rants before they are posted? Did they intercept his live feeds from his rallies and put a fake voice in there to make it sound like he was hateful moron? His is representative of the words that come out of his mouth. Act like a scumbag and people will call you a scumbag. When the media, whom has long enjoyed the mantle of “The Fourth Estate”, work to circulate lies and bury the truth to the detriment of civil society they become the problem. If President Trump we’re truly so bad, they wouldn’t need to craft lies to sabotage him; they could simply allow him to destroy himself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Koppel's remarks are spot on. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/19/ted_koppel_establishment_press_decided_that_trump_is_bad_for_the_united_states_out_to_get_him.html Quote Former ABC News anchor Ted Koppel said President Trump is "not mistaken" that the media is "out to get him" in a discussion with Marvin Kalb at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Koppel said 'The New York Times' is "committed" to making sure Trump is not elected and that the president the "liberal media" have become part of "the resistance." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Koppel's remarks are spot on. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/19/ted_koppel_establishment_press_decided_that_trump_is_bad_for_the_united_states_out_to_get_him.html Did he talk about how they are suppose to handle his lying, immigration scapegoating, conflicts of interest and crimes? They are suppose to report that while praising him? And let's face it, if they are not praising him, he is upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Did he talk about how they are suppose to handle his lying, immigration scapegoating, conflicts of interest and crimes? They are suppose to report that while praising him? And let's face it, if they are not praising him, he is upset. Here's one thing that kindof bugged me about the media and Trump. there was no "First 100 Days" for Trump. In the past when a new president came along the "4th estate" would cut the prez some slack for the first 100 days to get his president legs before being too critical of him. Obama and Bush seemed to get that treatment. Trump didn't even get "First 100 minutes" treatment. Sad. I do agree with our last point though . But really, it's beside the point. Edited March 20, 2019 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Here's one thing that kindof bugged me about the media and Trump. there was no "First 100 Days" for Trump. In the past when a new president came along the "4th estate" would cut the prez some slack for the first 100 days to get his president legs before being too critical of him. Obama and Bush seemed to get that treatment. Trump didn't even get "First 100 minutes" treatment. Sad. I do agree with our last point though . But really, it's beside the point. They didn't give him the same treatment because he was not in the same club as 44, 43, 42. That's also why he is such a threat to the grip on power the corporate media (and their true masters) have on our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: When the media, whom has long enjoyed the mantle of “The Fourth Estate”, work to circulate lies and bury the truth to the detriment of civil society they become the problem. If President Trump we’re truly so bad, they wouldn’t need to craft lies to sabotage him; they could simply allow him to destroy himself. Who are you, and what have you done with TYTT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 funny to watch the media quote "early" Thomas Jefferson about the press and ignore what he had to say after a few years in office... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Here's one thing that kindof bugged me about the media and Trump. there was no "First 100 Days" for Trump. In the past when a new president came along the "4th estate" would cut the prez some slack for the first 100 days to get his president legs before being too critical of him. Obama and Bush seemed to get that treatment. Trump didn't even get "First 100 minutes" treatment. Sad. I do agree with our last point though . But really, it's beside the point. I dunno, they kept saying he was growing into the job, "He's acting presidential now!" But when he starts off saying the media is lying about crowd sizes, and won't let it go, and declaring they are the enemy of the people, what are they to do? Question: Did Trump having a corrupt business that was a fraud, Trump University, raise red flags for you? I still can't get over that one. To me, that's who he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) Later Tommy was of the opinion that cattle cars to an extermination camp would have been too kind to the media... Edited March 20, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You LOVE Trump! Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: You LOVE Trump! Wow I love my country and the ideals upon which it was founded, none of this has ever been about Trump for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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