JohnC Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Fair, but the front office(Whaley) didn't do him any favors with the receiving options available to him. And what other better options are you foreclosing? You lost me there. You can keep Tyrod and draft one.... no FA QB is a better option. I think it is simple. Keep him until you have someone better. My preference would be to keep him and draft a successor sooner rather than later. Would that be a healthy situation for TT or the team? I'm not sure---I don't think so. The one consideration that many people are reluctant to acknowledge is just maybe the front office doesn't think much of TT. His performance last year did not demonstrate a progression. That had to be very disappointing to the team. Regardless of anyone't feeling toward TT, pro or con, it is apparent that he is not a conventional franchise qb. He throws a beautiful long ball but his short and medium range passes are inconsistent. There are other issues relating to reads and throwing to spots (anticipatory passes) instead of to the receiver. The crux of the issue that the organization has to decide on relates to what are the ultimate goals of this franchise and can he take us there. It goes beyond the next two years of his contract. It comes down to what is the most he can give us. If your ultimate goal is to be a fringe playoff team then the answer is very easy: Keep him. If you set your goals much higher then the decision is obvious: Let's move on. There are people on both sides of this issue and each side has merit. It is not a simple issue and it is a tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 DO NOT re-sign him. Take that money give it to Romo. When Tony gets here, all of our troubles will go away. He can see the middle of the field and he will hit Walter Powell in STRIDE. Tony will also fill the gap at strong safety. We can pay Tony a little more to help us install a 4-3 defense and keep Kyle Williams from retiring. It's a steal when you do the math. We need guys that can maximize WALTER POWELL'S talent That part of it is different, I agree. What is the same is that Marrone thought he was more in demand than what reality proved. He thought it was imminent that he'd be hired as a HC elsewhere. TT thinks it's imminent that he'll be signed on as an undisputed starter elsewhere. I didn't see it with Marrone; and I don't see it with Taylor. He will be. Here are the teams that will or might have new starting QBs: Cleveland Jets Bills (or it will be Tyrod) Bears SF Houston Denver Jacksonville KC Washington Arizona I think that some are likely that it will be 5 or 6 teams. He is without question, one of the 5 or 6 best options. He knows that, his agents know that and the Bills know that. That has nothing to do with whether or not the Bills should keep him but he will be somewhere as the unquestioned starter in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 We need guys that can maximize WALTER POWELL'S talent If you replace the name WALTER to Watkins or Clay you have a strong case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 He isn't taking less money to stay. The Bills and Tyrod both know that he can get $30M plus guaranteed on the open market. This isn't a situation where the Bills have been so good to him that he owes them one. They signed him for dirt cheap, put him on a prove-it deal in 2016 and the market says that he is absolutely a $15M + AAV QB. If the Bills choose to restructure, that may be an option but a pay cut isn't. Yeah like I said a month ago.......he will know his market LONG before free agency. His agent has been gauging interest.....there is NOTHING to prevent his agent and a GM from having a private conversation about TT............. and the feedback was probably that there are plenty of teams out there who will take a very good bridge QB for that kind of money in free agency. I am a believer in that Parcells line of building an organization.......beside his own success the branch managers of his HC tree have won 8 of the last 16 SB's........and he was a believer in bridge QB's..........Parcells expected to get Peyton Manning when he took over the NYJ but it wasn't in the cards so he took Vinnie Testaverde and Vinnie got him to an AFC Championship with a previously MORIBUND NY Jets franchise........and later Bledsoe fit into a system for him in Dallas that incubated Tony Romo. For long term success you need to find a franchise QB but the sink or swim with a young QB approach is a "bridge HC" move if there ever was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I've acknowledged that maybe the front office doesn't think much of him. But Id have a hard time trusting a front office that has demonstrated a lot of incompetence to get it right if they release Tyrod. I'll predict they are pretty much guaranteeing the next two seasons being washes if they release Tyrod and go with a rookie or McCown/Hoyer type. If they get rid of Taylor it is clearly a move to secure their paychecks for 2 more years.. They release Taylor and bring in a new guy or a Romo type and they buy themselves 2 years. You have several in the front office IMO that are making all their decisions based upon how long it will keep them employed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 We need guys that can maximize WALTER POWELL'S talent He will be. Here are the teams that will or might have new starting QBs: Cleveland Jets Bills (or it will be Tyrod) Bears SF Houston Denver Jacksonville KC Washington Arizona I think that some are likely that it will be 5 or 6 teams. He is without question, one of the 5 or 6 best options. He knows that, his agents know that and the Bills know that. That has nothing to do with whether or not the Bills should keep him but he will be somewhere as the unquestioned starter in 2017. I respect your opinion. I simply disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) As he shouldn't. It's a great deal and he can easily get more on the open market. I don't blame him at all. And Bills fans who simply think drafting one in the first will solve all the problems. It would be so typical Bills if they release him and the first rounder they replace him with never reaches TTs ability in the NFL. I tried to tell everyone who thought the Bills had Taylor over a barrel that it wasn't the case. Taylor has a big fat payday waiting in free agency and zero reason to cut the Bills any slack. You wouldn't listen to me. There is a very narrow window - three days - to pull that off. And it would require multiple suitors to pull off. Except the Bills are under no obligation until March 12. If he's traded before then, the Bills owe him nothing. We won't have a QB either. http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXUvHzCGrkU&feature=onebox Hahahah hahahaha. What a stud ! He should give half his paycheck to Shady for carrying him all year. Edited February 10, 2017 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Some just don't get it. Tyrod is going to get paid by someone. WHY would he take less $$ to stay here? It makes no sense for the player. He currently holds all the cards, really. Either the team keeps him and pays him the contract they agreed to or he walks, chooses his next spot, and gets paid easily the same $$ in a QB needy league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I respect your opinion. I simply disagree. I guess that begs the question then, who are the starting QBs in SF, Chicago, Denver, Buffalo, Jets, Cleveland, Houston? There are potentially 4 guys in the draft that have a chance. Some wont be ready opening day. Romo is a possibility for Houston and Denver but he isn't going to a rebuild. TT is inarguably the top FA other than Romo. I know that you don't like him as a player but his 47 TDs and 12 INTs in 29 starts is enough for a team to commit to him over Bryce Petty. There isn't really a situation outside of injury where he won't be starting opening day and on a contract paying him $15M +. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Some just don't get it. Tyrod is going to get paid by someone. WHY would he take less $$ to stay here? It makes no sense for the player. He currently holds all the cards, really. Either the team keeps him and pays him the contract they agreed to or he walks, chooses his next spot, and gets paid easily the same $$ in a QB needy league. did anyone say they thought he would take less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Jets are a great landing spot. Coach and GM on the hot seat. Trying to eke out wins rather than worried about their teams long term best interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Jets are a great landing spot. Coach and GM on the hot seat. Trying to eke out wins rather than worried about their teams long term best interests. That's a great point. They don't seem like a team that can be patient. Their roster is super old as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) did anyone say they thought he would take less?Several posters are convinced TT won't even get an offer. These people also thought EJ was our QB of the future. Edited February 10, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Unload him. Move on. Build for a 10 year post-Brady run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Unload him. Move on. Build for a 10 year post-Brady run. You know what would be Billsy? Brady stays two more years and Patriots rebuild after faster than Buffalo even though we have had 17 years to find a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 You know what would be Billsy? Brady stays two more years and Patriots rebuild after faster than Buffalo even though we have had 17 years to find a QB.And Tyrod takes his new team to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 And Tyrod takes his new team to the playoffs. Maybe even a 3rd pro bowl ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Maybe even a 3rd pro bowl ! ROFLMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) Maybe even a 3rd pro bowl ! Which he'll have to miss because of being in the Super Bowl. Edited February 10, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 You sure don't see the Pats, Green bay, Steelers making stupid moves like this & once every 10 years wouldn't be bad but like i referenced earlier if you go back further you can come up with a lot more contracts the Bills had to pay for after these folks were gone . Bills make stupid moves? Surely you jest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Which he'll have to miss because of being in the Super Bowl. The only Super Bowl Tyrod will be at is as a guest. To get there you need to be able to make throws to beat good teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) Sadly, I don't think Tyrod is taking us to the playoffs unless a bunch of other QBs in the AFC get hurt or something next year. I like him as a football player and what we know of him as a person, he can be exciting at times, but he's just too limited. I don't know who they will replace him with or if that QB will have immediate success or if it will take a few years, but I just don't see it with TT. I really, really wanted him to be the guy, too. Edited February 10, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Which he'll have to miss because of being in the Super Bowl. Tyrod's passing game rivals the browns, 49ers, and Rams. I don't see the Super Bowl part. Kudos to the Bills for not wasting our time with a half assed qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Of course he won't take less. Why on earth would Whaley bother asking him to take less when he just gave him that contract. Wow this is some story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 The chickens are coming home to roost. Brack brack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Good one more reason to not keep him. He isn't a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Whaley overpaid TT last year when he didn't have to. Another blunder in a long line of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Sadly, I don't think Tyrod is taking us to the playoffs unless a bunch of other QBs in the AFC get hurt or something next year. I like him as a football player and what we know of him as a person, he can be exciting at times, but he's just too limited. I don't know who they will replace him with or if that QB will have immediate success or if it will take a few years, but I just don't see it with TT. I really, really wanted him to be the guy, too. The problem with takes like this is that they are totally subjective......just a gut feeling that is held as fact. Did anyone see Tannehill and Matt Moore taking the Fish to the playoffs this year? As bad as the QB'ing was in Houston they made the playoffs. Bills fans tend to be defeatist by nature but the reality is that you can BUILD on 8-8 in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Most people can't see that. Bravo. Yes, committing 30 million to Tyrod Taylor does change the options you have at QB. The Bills themselves said that they would pick up the option if TT was in their LONG TERM PLANS. So if we pick up TT then you are selling us on paying a QB 30 million who can't hit receivers in stride, who can only throw 2 main routes, and depends on running to get first downs. You also will then not pick a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years. That would be horrible just to sell fans on false hope who still think this group is a playoff team. This is simply not true. More importantly, it's time this stupid f****** franchise develops its own long term solution at QB instead of always having grass is greener syndrome. They unfortunately seem to listen to fans like you who don't know what they're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Tyrod has always been aware of his limitations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Oh screw it! Let the contract kick in and keep him here. There's no better options for the 2017 season right now, and we can win with him. If this new staff is better than the last one, they'll get more out of him, and with an improved defense, we're going to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 The problem with takes like this is that they are totally subjective......just a gut feeling that is held as fact. Yes... none of your takes are ever totally subjective "Shady only plays hard on nationally televised games." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Yes... none of your takes are ever totally subjective "Shady only plays hard on nationally televised games." shhhh. His radio show is about to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Ok, I've been so supportive of TT that maybe i need this to get away from it a bit. So Tom Brady can accept team friendly deals but Tyrod won't?!? Okay, see ya on the Jets or Browns where i will hate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) This is simply not true. More importantly, it's time this stupid f****** franchise develops its own long term solution at QB instead of always having grass is greener syndrome. They unfortunately seem to listen to fans like you who don't know what they're talking about. Tyrod can hit a receiver in stride on a GO ROUTE. Happy? He can't do it on bread and butter plays for most QB's such as a slant. Take a look at the Bills Run After Catch numbers. Terrible and that's due to a QB not throwing with anticipation. And if you think Tyrod is a long term solution at QB I am afraid you might want to look in the mirror while saying others don't know what they are talking about. Edited February 10, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I think the only reason the Bills get rid of TT is to get Romo. Then they will draft a QB either this year or next and hope for a Farve/Rodgers type situation. Barring that, they keep TT, and can still pickup a QB (we need a backup anyway) later in the draft and next year as well (earlier if TT shows zero improvement next season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I fell like this helps the Bills on the trade market. Everyone is saying how Taylor is on a great deal and would get more on the open market. Why would a team who is going to sign him to more money not be willing to trade for him at his current contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Sadly, I don't think Tyrod is taking us to the playoffs unless a bunch of other QBs in the AFC get hurt or something next year. I like him as a football player and what we know of him as a person, he can be exciting at times, but he's just too limited. I don't know who they will replace him with or if that QB will have immediate success or if it will take a few years, but I just don't see it with TT. I really, really wanted him to be the guy, too. I agree, Taylor is a good bridge if the price is fair with incentives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Marrone's problem was he totally misread the how much teams would hold it against him that he quit. If the Bills had fired him, IMO he'd likely have got hired by another team much faster. First of all, we don't know if Marrone thought he was a hot commodity. In fact, he says he did NOT expect to get another HC job right away and that's not why he left. Second of all, it's entirely different. Marrone had the opportunity to walk out of a contract and still get paid. Marrone had to act and by his actions made it clear he didn't want to be in Buffalo. Taylor wants to stay and - in any case - has no choice. This time it's the team, not the player, who has to choose. The two situations are not analogous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 shhhh. His radio show is about to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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