#34fan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Mahomes is the QB I want. He is not a long term project like Cardale but Mahomes shouldn't have to start right away. Sign a veteran and don't play Mahomes until coaches feel he is ready. If Bills are out of playoff race early Mahomes could get some snaps at the end of his first year. Bullls_t! -If this is the guy that's going to supplant Tom Brady, START HIM RIGHT AWAY... #playing=grooming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Tread lightly FC. He almost beat joesixpack with a bat at the anchor bar for disparaging TT. Is this real life? I wish I coulda seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 https://twitter.com/bradleygelber/status/829065382791090177http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000784082/article/team-fits-for-2017-nfl-drafts-top-quarterbacks May remind mcdermott of Cam Newton... also is the style of QB Dennison has coached Funny when people think b.c a coach was on a team with one QB he probably wants another one like him. Like when Marrone was hired and people thought he wanted Nassib... the Bills met with Dak 5 times per sources. He was their guy last year. They didn't pull the trigger fast enough. They must be sick about it. I don't think they will make that mistake again. That is the Bills Mo though... Never pulling the trigger fast enough. They wanted Wilson... Drafted before them, they wanted Dak... Drafted before them. If the Bills want to be smart maybe draft the QB a round before you project him if you really like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Another spread QB that will take at least 3 years to develop IF he even can make the transition... the college game is RUINING these QB's.... Quarterbacking has never been as bad as it is coming out of college and getting worse every year. No fundamentals. No ability to read a defense. No ability to make line calls. No ability to change protections. No concept of what an NFL offense is about... Funny when people think b.c a coach was on a team with one QB he probably wants another one like him. Like when Marrone was hired and people thought he wanted Nassib...That is the Bills Mo though... Never pulling the trigger fast enough. They wanted Wilson... Drafted before them, they wanted Dak... Drafted before them. If the Bills want to be smart maybe draft the QB a round before you project him if you really like him. Wanted Roetheslesberger too...weern't willing to give up enough and let Pittsburgh leapfrog them for him... Edited February 9, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 the college game is RUINING these QB's.... Quarterbacking has never been as bad as it is coming out of college and getting worse every year. . Except for Dak, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Cousins, Luck, Cam, Carr, and Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Except for Dak, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Cousins, Luck, Cam, Carr, and Wilson That's 7 viable NFL caliber QB's in how many years? I definitely wouldn't put Wentz anywhere near that list yet....his season was far closer to EJ Manuel's rookie year when you look at the entire season instead of just the first 4 games before DC's had any tendencies and game film on him...Wentz spent most of the last 12 games looking dreadful... Edited February 9, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Watson Mahomes Trubisky Kizer Webb = all bums ? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 For a change we need to get it right at quarterback. I think TT and EJ will be gone, which will help on the cap side. If we can shore up some things, such as safety, by free agency, and resign some key guys (not Goodwin, which will also help cap-wise), I'm not necessarily against drafting two quarterbacks to really increase our chances for success. Let the three young guys fight it out and perhaps even bring in a vet like McCown for camp purposes if nothing else. Drafting two is not unprecedented and worked for the Redskins (granted Griffin was a no brainer, but Cousins was considered a project and he certainly developed). Trade down a bit and obtain an extra second round pick. That will help. Yes, drafting QBs is always a gamble but let's consider increasing our odds at the "casino." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 For a change we need to get it right at quarterback. I think TT and EJ will be gone, which will help on the cap side. If we can shore up some things, such as safety, by free agency, and resign some key guys (not Goodwin, which will also help cap-wise), I'm not necessarily against drafting two quarterbacks to really increase our chances for success. Let the three young guys fight it out and perhaps even bring in a vet like McCown for camp purposes if nothing else. Drafting two is not unprecedented and worked for the Redskins (granted Griffin was a no brainer, but Cousins was considered a project and he certainly developed). Trade down a bit and obtain an extra second round pick. That will help. Yes, drafting QBs is always a gamble but let's consider increasing our odds at the "casino." Big fat NO to McCown... He'll light it up in TC, -Catch Whaley's eye, and the BAM! -He's our starter in Sept... -We'll be 4th place in the division by Halloween ...Sorry... Been there... -F__ that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 And just hope that the Bills can really find a great pick or two in the NFL draft in 2017. As really need to Goff that has a poor team. Prescott a team of with Cowboys good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 https://twitter.com/bradleygelber/status/829065382791090177 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000784082/article/team-fits-for-2017-nfl-drafts-top-quarterbacks May remind mcdermott of Cam Newton... also is the style of QB Dennison has coached just say no to air raid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) just say no to air raid Way too simplistic of a viewpoint when evaluating college to NFL. Need to look at each player individually. Pat Mahomes is more than an air raid QB http://www.qbmecca.com/patrick-mahomes/ Another spread QB that will take at least 3 years to develop IF he even can make the transition... the college game is RUINING these QB's.... Quarterbacking has never been as bad as it is coming out of college and getting worse every year. No fundamentals. No ability to read a defense. No ability to make line calls. No ability to change protections. No concept of what an NFL offense is about... Wanted Roetheslesberger too...weern't willing to give up enough and let Pittsburgh leapfrog them for him... Dak was a "spread" QB... you can generalize everyone into buckets based on college system if you want because you are a fan and not the one pulling the trigger ...but actual evaluation looks at each player individually and how they will transition. You can wait for a Michigan or USC or MSU QB if you want that ran a pro style offense, but it won't necessarily transition any more quickly. Most colleges run some version of the spread.That's 7 viable NFL caliber QB's in how many years? I definitely wouldn't put Wentz anywhere near that list yet....his season was far closer to EJ Manuel's rookie year when you look at the entire season instead of just the first 4 games before DC's had any tendencies and game film on him...Wentz spent most of the last 12 games looking dreadful...where are the "pro style" QBs that were in the draft In the last 5 years, for comparison? Edited February 9, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm not saying you're wrong, but there were at least 3 guys (Smith, Nassib, and Manuel) with 1st round projections, IIRC. I see a group of prospects being over rated due to positional need. Combined with an exceptionally strong year for safeties. There are some pro bowlers there to be had. Hooker will drop to us and we'll get a great wr in the 2nd. Then get the best college kicker in the nation and I don't care what else happens we win 3 more games right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 That's 7 viable NFL caliber QB's in how many years? I definitely wouldn't put Wentz anywhere near that list yet....his season was far closer to EJ Manuel's rookie year when you look at the entire season instead of just the first 4 games before DC's had any tendencies and game film on him...Wentz spent most of the last 12 games looking dreadful... 7 in 5 years is bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Way too simplistic of a viewpoint when evaluating college to NFL. Need to look at each player individually. http://www.qbmecca.com/patrick-mahomes/ Dak was a "spread" QB... you can generalize everyone into buckets based on college system if you want because you are a fan and not the one pulling the trigger ...but actual evaluation looks at each player individually and how they will transition. You can wait for a Michigan or USC or MSU QB if you want that ran a pro style offense, but it won't necessarily transition any more quickly. Most colleges run some version of the spread. where are the "pro style" QBs that were in the draft In the last 5 years, for comparison? There are so few of them left it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack 7 in 5 years is bad? When it's also producing close to zero competent backups I'd say so...how many teams would be able to even go 6-10 if they had to have their backups start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 There are so few of them left it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack When it's also producing close to zero competent backups I'd say so...how many teams would be able to even go 6-10 if they had to have their backups start? WGAF about backup QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 It's QB fever season, when mid-draft jamokes start looking like hall of famers. Keep in mind that agents are working overtime to fluff their clients draft prospects. That's where the "so-and-so's draft stock is soaring" stories come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Aaron Rodgers fell from a top 3 pick to late first round because of his mechanics and people worried he was going to be another failed Tedford QB. I am glad that Mahomes played in a gimmick offense, it presents a discount opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) It's QB fever season, when mid-draft jamokes start looking like hall of famers. Keep in mind that agents are working overtime to fluff their clients draft prospects. That's where the "so-and-so's draft stock is soaring" stories come from.What about the videos all over the World Wide Web that show these qb's making the throws Taylor can't ? Were those doctored by the agents too ? Another sad attempt by another Taylor superfan to discredit any upgrade/competition. 127 and 156. Ooooooooh weeeeeee ! OVERTHEMIDDLE !!!! Edited February 9, 2017 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Another thing. Be wary of one-year starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Another thing. Be wary of one-year starters. Mahomes is not a 1 year starter. Trubisky is and I think you see it on his tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 What about the videos all over the World Wide Web that show these qb's making the throws Taylor can't ? Were those doctored by the agents too ? Another sad attempt by another Taylor superfan to discredit any upgrade/competition. 127 and 156. Ooooooooh weeeeeee ! OVERTHEMIDDLE !!!! Why would Sammy Watkins want to catch a slant pattern in stride. Sounds too easy. No, let's just throw the go and curl routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RK_BillsFan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I was initially against the idea of drafting this kid. Watching his highlights though...... I would be open to taking him 2-4th round if we stockpile a few picks trading down/back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Its not a bad take. The question is, if you take Mahomes in the 2nd, are you gonna start him year 1 or let him learn from the pine while learning to not let that back leg move like a wacky waving inflatable arm flaling tube man? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDr-c-88Hfo Whomever takes Mahomes needs to bring him along slowly. He shouldn't see the field for at least a year. From what I'm hearing at the moment he's more highly thought of by front office personnel than by most media people. Look for him to be a "late riser" on draft boards as the media catches up. He probably won't be there for the Bills in the second round. He would likely require a move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 College highlights soundtracks always crack me up. It's either the worst rap you've ever heard or is some red bull hoobastank sounding white kid singing about rebellion. So you start watching, then realize you thankfully have a volume button and turn it down to 1. But seriously Mahomes could be Ryan Leaf or Philip Rivers with that cannon. His throwing motion is twice as fast as Jim Kellys on his best day. I say he goes early 2nd, if we want him we'd need to wheel and deal before the morning of day 2, figure out who would take him ahead of us and get in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Big fat NO to McCown... He'll light it up in TC, -Catch Whaley's eye, and the BAM! -He's our starter in Sept... -We'll be 4th place in the division by Halloween ...Sorry... Been there... -F__ that... You obviously missed the entire point of the message. I'm certainly not advocating for McCown but merely suggesting that if we choose to go with young quarterback prospects, a vet in camp would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Whomever takes Mahomes needs to bring him along slowly. He shouldn't see the field for at least a year. From what I'm hearing at the moment he's more highly thought of by front office personnel than by most media people. Look for him to be a "late riser" on draft boards as the media catches up. He probably won't be there for the Bills in the second round. He would likely require a move up. Right, or a trade down from #10 into the late teens or early 20s depending on what teams go for between 10 and 20, or like you said, which I prefer, trading up in the 2nd. Taking a top S or WR at 10 and then trading up in the 2nd to get Mahomes would not piss me off at all. Mahomes is not a 1 year starter. Trubisky is and I think you see it on his tape. We would have to trade up to take Bisky. Theres no way hes there at 10. If we made that move this forum would explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Im watching a Mahomes 2016 highlight video...and I don't get it. He looks terrible. At just 1 min into a 6 min video, every TD is either an awful throw off his back foot to a WR that makes a big play to either catch a TD or get to the end zone...or its to a guy who is so wide open my grandma could complete a pass. I have yet to see him make one quality NFL throw. As the video continues to play he finally makes a couple nice throws that are not off his back foot, however, the bulk of them are still of his back foot and showing just awful foot work and bad mechanics. This is the kind of play that leads to lots of interceptions in the NFL. I don't get the fascination with this guy, I feel like he has the potential to easily have the worst career of all the top 4 guys in this draft. Someone is going to have to do a LOT of work with him to succeed in the NFL...doesnt mean he can't, but I would not want to use a high pick on a kid whose has serious issues throwing off his back foot which if that persists in the NFL will have him out of the NFL quickly. I feel like this kid has a better chance to be Blaine Gabbert in the NFL than a quality QB. Mid to late round pick, sure, why not...2nd or 1st just isnt worth it. I feel like he would be a mid-rounder in most drafts at best but in this weak class his stock is elevated. Edited February 9, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Im watching a Mahomes 2016 highlight video...and I don't get it. He looks terrible. At just 1 min into a 6 min video, every TD is either an awful throw off his back foot to a WR that makes a big play to either catch a TD or get to the end zone...or its to a guy who is so wide open my grandma could complete a pass. I have yet to see him make one quality NFL throw. As the video continues to play he finally makes a couple nice throws that are not off his back foot, however, the bulk of them are still of his back foot and showing just awful foot work and bad mechanics. This is the kind of play that leads to lots of interceptions in the NFL. I don't get the fascination with this guy, I feel like he has the potential to easily have the worst career of all the top 4 guys in this draft. Someone is going to have to do a LOT of work with him to succeed in the NFL...doesnt mean he can't, but I would not want to use a high pick on a kid whose has serious issues throwing off his back foot which if that persists in the NFL will have him out of the NFL quickly. I feel like this kid has a better chance to be Blaine Gabbert in the NFL than a quality QB. Mid to late round pick, sure, why not...2nd or 1st just isnt worth it. I feel like he would be a mid-rounder in most drafts at best but in this weak class his stock is elevated. 8:38 Waldman and Schofield both completely disagree with you. Either this guy is just placing the ball perfectly or dumb luck... Anticipation Thrower, Everything you want to see in the pocket for the NFL, etc Footwork discussion at 13:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ8uyqWJ3bg Edited February 9, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 8:38 Waldman and Schofield both completely disagree with you. Either this guy is just placing the ball perfectly or dumb luck... Anticipation Thrower, Everything you want to see in the pocket for the NFL, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ8uyqWJ3bg By no means is my opinion the end all be all, just sharing my impressions of him. I just don't get the love affair some have, he seems like a high risk draft pick. The kid could very well prove my opinion wrong, but I don't watch his highlights and think "we need to draft this kid"...I see a prospect that looks like a lot of work and has mechanics issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 By no means is my opinion the end all be all, just sharing my impressions of him. I just don't get the love affair some have, he seems like a high risk draft pick. The kid could very well prove my opinion wrong, but I don't watch his highlights and think "we need to draft this kid"...I see a prospect that looks like a lot of work and has mechanics issues. I don't like any of these QB's as a top ten pick. I personally would roll with Mahomes over the others if the price was right. The things I watch when looking at QB prospects is how they handle pressure, accuracy, and pocket presence. Throw in a big arm and quick release and Mahomes jumps out for me. There is a discussion as I said at 13:43 or so on the video where they explain how Mahomes unconventional footwork actually is preferred to get the ball out quickly in key situations. It's not like he is sloppy, he is doing this as an athlete to get the best result which impresses the hell out of me. Compare to shortstop in baseball that needs to get the ball quickly to 2nd for double play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 8:38 Waldman and Schofield both completely disagree with you. Either this guy is just placing the ball perfectly or dumb luck... Anticipation Thrower, Everything you want to see in the pocket for the NFL, etc Footwork discussion at 13:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ8uyqWJ3bg Add Voch Lombardi to that list... Voch had me cracking up on his Mahomes video...He fully admits Mahomes could really care less about a lot of the finer details that he will get micro-analyzed on in the coming weeks...But he seemed to like Mahomes a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The problem with waiting for him in the second round is that there is a good chance he won't be there. There are numerous qb needy teams ahead of us that would also take him in the second round. If the organization is serious about him they should trade down in the first round and then select him. The history of the Bills when waiting for a targeted qb is that we get bypassed by a more enterprising team. No they cannot. The Bills will be criticized by media and fans too much for trading up and reaching despite how market is. It is same thing as tanking a year to give better draft position following year. The same ones who advocate such strategies will spend entire season and off-season bashing Bills and spreading false rumors. Despite claims about Bills fandom being one of the best in NFL it isn't - fans are far too venomous for anything long term. Bills have become like corporations so worried about quarterly reports that long term planning is out the window, lotta Cardale love in the poll thread - we got what we wanted and we're STILL bitching It is what wallers do best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 No they cannot. The Bills will be criticized by media and fans too much for trading up and reaching despite how market is. It is same thing as tanking a year to give better draft position following year. The same ones who advocate such strategies will spend entire season and off-season bashing Bills and spreading false rumors. Despite claims about Bills fandom being one of the best in NFL it isn't - fans are far too venomous for anything long term. Bills have become like corporations so worried about quarterly reports that long term planning is out the window, It is what wallers do best. Who said move up for any qb in this draft? You are manufacturing an issue that doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 By no means is my opinion the end all be all, just sharing my impressions of him. I just don't get the love affair some have, he seems like a high risk draft pick. The kid could very well prove my opinion wrong, but I don't watch his highlights and think "we need to draft this kid"...I see a prospect that looks like a lot of work and has mechanics issues. For once we are in agreement. That is what I see too. And you are right about his receivers beind wide open so often. At nearly 33, never having played comptetitively and out of shape I think I am a better defensive back than half of the Big 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Right, or a trade down from #10 into the late teens or early 20s depending on what teams go for between 10 and 20, or like you said, which I prefer, trading up in the 2nd. Taking a top S or WR at 10 and then trading up in the 2nd to get Mahomes would not piss me off at all. Agreed. Edited February 9, 2017 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Trubisky and the 49ers makes the most sense. I could see Shanahan wanting to grab him at 2. Cleveland will probably take a defensive player at 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 For once we are in agreement. That is what I see too. And you are right about his receivers beind wide open so often. At nearly 33, never having played comptetitively and out of shape I think I am a better defensive back than half of the Big 12. Do you think Bills could trade their first pick this year and 2nd next year for Browns 2nd this year and 1st next year take this guy at 2 and hope the Browns suck next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Trubisky and the 49ers makes the most sense. I could see Shanahan wanting to grab him at 2. Cleveland will probably take a defensive player at 1. Agree with this. Do you think Bills could trade their first pick this year and 2nd next year for Browns 2nd this year and 1st next year take this guy at 2 and hope the Browns suck next year. I think there is a good chance you need to be at the backend of the 1st to get Mahomes but maybe. In a scenario where Watson, Trubisky and the two receivers are gone I favour the Bills trading down. And for all I am not mad about Mahomes the kid is such a wildcard that if he comes off he comes off big. If they trade back 10 or 12 spots and want to tale him I won't hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Agree with this. I think there is a good chance you need to be at the backend of the 1st to get Mahomes but maybe. In a scenario where Watson, Trubisky and the two receivers are gone I favour the Bills trading down. And for all I am not mad about Mahomes the kid is such a wildcard that if he comes off he comes off big. If they trade back 10 or 12 spots and want to tale him I won't hate it. This draft is loaded with talent compared to last year. If we can get Mahomes and extra picks I will be very happy. Bills have tons of holes to fill at WR, Secondary, RT, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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