KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Tyrod is fine for the next 2 years while a QB we draft either this year or next gets ready. What other options are there? I'm sure everyone can agree the QB we need to win the super bowl isn't on this roster so keep drafting one in the meantime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 No Bills tickets for me then  How does the # of designed rollouts and boots in this new offense compare to the # called in 2015 and 2016? Embrace the 6-10. Feel the rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Â Just remember that you're responding to someone who wants the Bills to sign Johnny Manziel. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dear Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 If it was all up to Whaley, I think he'd move on from TT, but I don't think it is. I'm think they should keep TT and draft another QB. If Watson is there at 10 ( I doubt he will) they have to take him. Bet they could trade TT if that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Tyrod is fine for the next 2 years while a QB we draft either this year or next gets ready. What other options are there? I'm sure everyone can agree the QB we need to win the super bowl isn't on this roster so keep drafting one in the meantime    I'm all in favor of replacing TT. 100%. Just as soon as we find someone better.  Until then, he's the starter.   That should be a given until they know they can replace him with someone better. The argument against keeping TT is that he puts us out of the "good QB prospect" range. Don't just take it from me though.  Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley said Wednesday that the Bills are "almost in quarterback purgatory" because they do not have a franchise quarterback and are unlikely to pick near the top of the draft in coming years. "We're good enough that we're not going to have the first or second [overall] pick," Whaley told WGR 550 on Wednesday. "We hope we're not in that position. Hopefully now we're drafting in the teens and the 20s and the 30s. So you're not going to get those college guys that are coming out.  http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13382343/buffalo-bills-almost-quarterback-purgatory-gm-doug-whaley-says  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I love what this is turning into...I see two distinct agendas waiting to be unleashed by the usual suspects:  Keep Tyrod -- dumb move, keeps the team mired in mediocrity behind a limited QB  Release Tyrod -- dumb move, no viable QB on the roster, total rebuild coming  Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I'm totally fine with retaining Tyrod and looking to draft a QB to develop alongside Cardale. Â This. I'm sorry but fans are completely delusional to think the Bills are better off going into 2017 without a BETTER replacement in house. Â I don't care about saving Terry Pegula money. Work on a restructured contract for TT that benefits the team and still keeps Tyrod and his agent happy. Draft a new QB and continue to develop Cardale. Maybe they will get lucky and one of them can push Tyrod down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Can we try and stick the OP's post? Thread is about keeping TT, not signing a reject from the cast of Trainspotting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 If it was all up to Whaley, I think he'd move on from TT, but I don't think it is. I'm think they should keep TT and draft another QB. If Watson is there at 10 ( I doubt he will) they have to take him. Bet they could trade TT if that happened. Â He ultimately does as he has control of the 53 man roster, but he'd be foolish not to seriously consider the input of his HC and OC in any decision that's made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I love what this is turning into...I see two distinct agendas waiting to be unleashed by the usual suspects:  Keep Tyrod -- dumb move, keeps the team mired in mediocrity behind a limited QB  Release Tyrod -- dumb move, no viable QB on the roster, total rebuild coming  Enjoy!  I'm the opposite. I'm kind of okay with either. I think my gut says release my head says keep.... but the one thing that will annoy the hell out of me is the Bills standing pat with Tyrod and not taking shots if guys fall to them in the draft. That was what we did with Fitz and when the point came when we decided to pull the plug we had nothing at QB at all. They have keep taking shots in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I think it will be interesting to see what TT could do with a different coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Tyrod is fine for the next 2 years while a QB we draft either this year or next gets ready. What other options are there? I'm sure everyone can agree the QB we need to win the super bowl isn't on this roster so keep drafting one in the meantime  Cardale Jones has the arm and size of a franchise NFL QB and he also led his team to the national college championship. So no one here knows if he can or can't be the Bill's QB to win their first Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Isn't his contract now two parts if he stays after March 1 the next three years are guaranteed. However, I don't think the whole thing is guaranteed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Staying with TT is a milk toast move now that we know what he is. Â "milk toast" Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Is rapaport better than Lacanfora with "news" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOICE-OF-SANITY Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 If it's not about money then of course, keep Tyrod - but he hasn't yet played to the level of money that we will be paying him. That's the big risk here. If Dennison thinks he can take him to the next level of being able to scare teams with his arm? I'll be there to root him on as much as anybody....if he doesn't get better? then we we're paying for a whole lot of average qb play (with some nice runs here and there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 No Bills tickets for me then  Embrace the 6-10. Feel the rush.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Â "milk toast" Â JP has thrown that ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Â I'm the opposite. I'm kind of okay with either. I think my gut says release my head says keep.... but the one thing that will annoy the hell out of me is the Bills standing pat with Tyrod and not taking shots if guys fall to them in the draft. That was what we did with Fitz and when the point came when we decided to pull the plug we had nothing at QB at all. They have keep taking shots in the draft. Â Â Pretty much in agreement with this except both my gut and head say keep. Â I don't like the % of the cap we'll have to pay him but if you look at other QBs around the league.....that is what he is going to get paid by somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Enjoy "we left some plays out there" talk  http://m.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Tyrod-Taylor-Left-some-plays-out-there/6eb0e6fd-0d5a-49bf-8230-6d2a34ed862d   He's a bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 What eight QB-needy teams should doCould Tony Romo turn the Texans into Super Bowl contenders? Should the Browns roll the dice on Mitch Trubisky? Gil Brandt provides a path forward for eight QB-needy teams. Â 7) Buffalo Bills2016 starters: Tyrod Taylor (15 games), EJ Manuel (1). Â Passing offense ranked: 30th. Â Whether the team agrees with me is another matter, of course, but I happen to think the Bills already have their quarterback, which is why they fall so low on this list. I know the Bills have a new coach in Sean McDermott, so their direction might not be defined. But if I were them, I'd exercise the option on the rest of the contract extension Taylor signed in August. Yes, that would mean paying him $27.5 million for 2017, but exercising the option saves them a serious chunk of salary-cap space next season, and that I can live with. I also happen to think he's worth it. I like everything about him. A down 2016 notwithstanding, Taylor's a player who can help Buffalo win, provided he and his receivers are fully healthy, and I think the Bills will have a hard time finding someone better. There's an interesting wrinkle in light of the surgery he recently underwent: If he can't pass a physical in time and the option isn't exercised, the team will be on the hook for the full $27.5 million in 2017 whether they keep him on the roster or cut him loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 We don't have anyone on the roster better than Tyrod Taylor. Therefore keeping him is a good move. If we somehow acquire Matt Ryan, then cutting Taylor makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 In a well-functioning organization the GM would not make a decision regarding something as important as the starting QB without thorough discussion with the HC (and ownership). I'm not saying the Bills are such an organization, but to presume this is Whaley's decision in a vacuum is extremely naive.  If true, it signals that McDermott and his staff don't believe the Bills are in need of a full rebuild in 2017.  They're not in need of a rebuild. Reload yes, rebuild no. What eight QB-needy teams should do  7) Buffalo Bills2016 starters: Tyrod Taylor (15 games), EJ Manuel (1).  Passing offense ranked: 30th.  Whether the team agrees with me is another matter, of course, but I happen to think the Bills already have their quarterback, which is why they fall so low on this list. I know the Bills have a new coach in Sean McDermott, so their direction might not be defined. But if I were them, I'd exercise the option on the rest of the contract extension Taylor signed in August. Yes, that would mean paying him $27.5 million for 2017, but exercising the option saves them a serious chunk of salary-cap space next season, and that I can live with. I also happen to think he's worth it. I like everything about him. A down 2016 notwithstanding, Taylor's a player who can help Buffalo win, provided he and his receivers are fully healthy, and I think the Bills will have a hard time finding someone better. There's an interesting wrinkle in light of the surgery he recently underwent: If he can't pass a physical in time and the option isn't exercised, the team will be on the hook for the full $27.5 million in 2017 whether they keep him on the roster or cut him loose.   ^^^^ Like it or not, he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 JP has thrown that ball. Â Was JP ever the QB for a Top 10 DVOA offense during his career, much less two out of two seasons? If it's not about money then of course, keep Tyrod - but he hasn't yet played to the level of money that we will be paying him. Â Based on what criteria has Tyrod not played to the level of being paid the 20th highest salary among NFL QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 What eight QB-needy teams should do  7) Buffalo Bills2016 starters: Tyrod Taylor (15 games), EJ Manuel (1).  Passing offense ranked: 30th.  Whether the team agrees with me is another matter, of course, but I happen to think the Bills already have their quarterback, which is why they fall so low on this list. I know the Bills have a new coach in Sean McDermott, so their direction might not be defined. But if I were them, I'd exercise the option on the rest of the contract extension Taylor signed in August. Yes, that would mean paying him $27.5 million for 2017, but exercising the option saves them a serious chunk of salary-cap space next season, and that I can live with. I also happen to think he's worth it. I like everything about him. A down 2016 notwithstanding, Taylor's a player who can help Buffalo win, provided he and his receivers are fully healthy, and I think the Bills will have a hard time finding someone better. There's an interesting wrinkle in light of the surgery he recently underwent: If he can't pass a physical in time and the option isn't exercised, the team will be on the hook for the full $27.5 million in 2017 whether they keep him on the roster or cut him loose.   So says Gil Brandt. Some say Gil's over the hill but this guy was the vice president of player personnel in Dallas for nearly 30 years. Gil knows more about football than any of us, maybe more than any ten of us.  This doesn't mean Gil's right. Even the experts are often wrong about the future of QBs. Bill Walsh was famously a fan of Trent Edwards. To provide an opposite example, how many experts predicted Matt Ryan's success this year?  But it does mean that the idea of keeping Tyrod is a credible one and that keeping Tyrod won't prove that Whaley is a clueless idiot as some have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Â Was JP ever the QB for a Top 10 DVOA offense during his career, much less two out of two seasons? Â Based on what criteria has Tyrod not played to the level of being paid the 20th highest salary among NFL QB's? I'm sure there were just as many mental gymnastics and obscure stats to defend JP in his day. Just an awful excuse by Whaley. That's all. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Terrible news. Whaley strikes again putting his job security ahead of the team. Wouldnt you think Whaley drafting a QB and handing him the keys gives him more security? New coach, New QB so you fire the GM a year later? No. Â Keeping Taylor does not give Whaley job security, its the exact opposite. If Taylor and the Bills fail to improve next year Whaley will not have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB. Edited January 23, 2017 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Wouldnt you think Whaley drafting a QB and handing him the keys gives him more security? New coach, New QB so you fire the GM a year later? No. Â Keeping Taylor does not give Whaley job security, its the exact opposite. If Taylor and the Bills fail to improve next year Whaley will not have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB. Exactly correct. The level of illogical on this board is at an all time high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 What eight QB-needy teams should do  7) Buffalo Bills2016 starters: Tyrod Taylor (15 games), EJ Manuel (1).  Passing offense ranked: 30th.  Whether the team agrees with me is another matter, of course, but I happen to think the Bills already have their quarterback, which is why they fall so low on this list. I know the Bills have a new coach in Sean McDermott, so their direction might not be defined. But if I were them, I'd exercise the option on the rest of the contract extension Taylor signed in August. Yes, that would mean paying him $27.5 million for 2017, but exercising the option saves them a serious chunk of salary-cap space next season, and that I can live with. I also happen to think he's worth it. I like everything about him. A down 2016 notwithstanding, Taylor's a player who can help Buffalo win, provided he and his receivers are fully healthy, and I think the Bills will have a hard time finding someone better. There's an interesting wrinkle in light of the surgery he recently underwent: If he can't pass a physical in time and the option isn't exercised, the team will be on the hook for the full $27.5 million in 2017 whether they keep him on the roster or cut him loose.    The NFL world needs to stop ranking players and teams by yards. Its the most irrelevant stat there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Wouldnt you think Whaley drafting a QB and handing him the keys gives him more security? New coach, New QB so you fire the GM a year later? No. Â Keeping Taylor does not give Whaley job security, its the exact opposite. If Taylor and the Bills fail to improve next year Whaley will not have the opportunity to draft a franchise QB. No. I think Whaley could be gone with a 6-10 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 No Bills tickets for me then   Embrace the 6-10. Feel the rush. Or 4-12. Here comes the #3 pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) You don't need to be picking number one overall or even top 10 to find a good QB. Nope. But that's where you have the best chance. Â Guys like Dak aren't in every draft. Edited January 23, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Â I think this post perfectly summarizes you as a poster. It's like you're an algorithm that seeks the least popular opinion and then won't stop pounding on the table for that. You are now advocating we sign a slower, shorter, less accurate drug addict rather than give our current middle of the pack quarterback a shot in an offense that actually plays to his strengths. Â If you think you can find a more accurate drug addict, Mr. Wonderful, then GO AHEAD AND TRY IT!! Nope. But that's where you have the best chance. Â Guys like Dak aren't in every draft. Â Is Dak, "Dak," without the best O-line in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Cardale Jones has the arm and size of a franchise NFL QB and he also led his team to the national college championship. So no one here knows if he can or can't be the Bill's QB to win their first Superbowl. No just no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Â If you think you can find a more accurate drug addict, Mr. Wonderful, then GO AHEAD AND TRY IT!! Â Is Dak, "Dak," without the best O-line in football? Does he play as good as he did this season? Probably not. Would he still be the most promising rookie out of 2016? Probably. Â Remember that best O-line in football didn't make guys like Cassel, Weeden and Kellen Moore look like anything but bad QB's last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Enjoy "we left some plays out there" talk  http://m.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Tyrod-Taylor-Left-some-plays-out-there/6eb0e6fd-0d5a-49bf-8230-6d2a34ed862d  He's a bum.  First two seasons as a starter he's been in the category of "average NFL starting QB." If that's what you consider to be a "bum" then okey dokey.  The fact remains that the smart move is to keep your average starter until you have a better option on your roster. Not before. Otherwise you're just being reckless like they were reckless in 2013 after releasing Fitzpatrick then choosing a 4th round QB talent in the 1st round because they were so desperate for a QB because they didn't have one that wasn't a tap on the head away from being finished.  Only this time it would be worse because they didn't learn from their mistake of four years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Of course but it Doesn't excuse Whaleys lack of trying. Â Remember, we went into a season with EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis, and Jeff Tuel at QB. 100% agree. We should've been taking QB's in the first since 2014. Then we wouldn't be in this trainwreck. Edited January 23, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Â Just remember that you're responding to someone who wants the Bills to sign Johnny Manziel. Â responding to thim is all he wants. It would be nice if he'd just admit he's lonely instead of the annoying schtick he does for attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailMary Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Does it really even matter who's QB? Until Brady retires we're doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 All I want to know is if he ever had a rematch with Arnold in "Tiny Tennis", lmao!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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