aristocrat Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Remember when Incognito was a "perish the thought" signing? Pepperidge Farms remembers. What was your take on that? Something something, toxic player. Something something bad for the locker room. Something something NFW? you're talking about a guy with like 10 years in the league who had played well and comparing him to manziel who is clearly not an nfl qb. great college talent but not only does his skillset not translate he has a world of personal problems. domestic violence, drugs, alcohol ego etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Remember when Incognito was a "perish the thought" signing? Pepperidge Farms remembers. What was your take on that? Something something, toxic player. Something something bad for the locker room. Something something NFW? I think this post perfectly summarizes you as a poster. It's like you're an algorithm that seeks the least popular opinion and then won't stop pounding on the table for that. You are now advocating we sign a slower, shorter, less accurate drug addict rather than give our current middle of the pack quarterback a shot in an offense that actually plays to his strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Terrible news. Whaley strikes again putting his job security ahead of the team. If Whaley wanted job security he would push for releasing Taylor and going all in on a total rebuild. Keeping Taylor puts heat on him way more than moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 That should be a given until they know they can replace him with someone better. Some people just can't grasp that simple thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Tyrod would be a completely different QB in this system. This is a system where he would actually be the focal point, like it should be. If Dennison also sticks to a zone blocking scheme for running then I expect Gillislee and Felton to really shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) you're talking about a guy with like 10 years in the league who had played well and comparing him to manziel who is clearly not an nfl qb. great college talent but not only does his skillset not translate he has a world of personal problems. domestic violence, drugs, alcohol ego etc Incognito was blackballed by the NFL. Your take is wholly painted by the fact Richie turned it around in Buffalo. He wasn't even considered by a huge contingent on this board. Similar to reaction to Manziel today. Now, that being said, are the chances of them working out equal? No, of course not. Richie was a proven decent vet at least and Johnny is definitely not there yet. I was only speaking towards the reaction to the idea. I think this post perfectly summarizes you as a poster. It's like you're an algorithm that seeks the least popular opinion and then won't stop pounding on the table for that. You are now advocating we sign a slower, shorter, less accurate drug addict rather than give our current middle of the pack quarterback a shot in an offense that actually plays to his strengths. How does this offense play to his strengths compared to last years and 2015's offense? As to the summary of my posting, I'm wholly consistent. I've argued, sometimes successfully sometimes not so much, for low-risk, high reward moves because this team needs to hit the lottery. Staying with TT is a milk toast move now that we know what he is. Signing TT 2 years ago for peanuts to take a shot was a good move. Signing Richie Incognito for peanuts was a great move. Taking upper round talent in 5th -7th rounds because of off the field stuff was great. Why that logic of "sign/draft them cheaply and there's virtually zero risk to bringing them in" applies to guys like Karlos, Richie etc and not to a former 1st round QB who was a Heisman winner and has barely shown how he can play in the NFL does not make any sense. I'd be prepared to Johnny to not be clean, stink and be cut in 2 weeks. No skin off my behind. So why limit yourself? Edited January 23, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) That should be a given until they know they can replace him with someone better. I'm all in favor of replacing TT. 100%. Just as soon as we find someone better. Until then, he's the starter. Edited January 23, 2017 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Incognito could actually play though. Johnny Football can't at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dear Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Tyrod would be a completely different QB in this system. This is a system where he would actually be the focal point, like it should be. If Dennison also sticks to a zone blocking scheme for running then I expect Gillislee and Felton to really shine. How much more can Gillislee shine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Incognito could actually play though. Johnny Football can't at this level. TT's prior to 2015 career stats were: 19/35 0 TD's 2 INT's There was zero indication he could play either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 TT's prior to 2015 career stats were: 19/35 0 TD's 2 INT's There was zero indication he could play either. I promise you Johnny Manziel is done. He can't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 No new info, sounds like. Just speculating with some of the dots others have already begun to connect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Wins him 8 games or so without any chance at real success. Short term thinking. It's how you remain in "quarterback purgatory" which the GM described during 2015 training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Can we try and stick the OP's post? Thread is about keeping TT, not signing a reject from the cast of Trainspotting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I promise you Johnny Manziel is done. He can't play. Maybe. Then again we brought in Matt frickin' Leinhart 2 years ago. I would've bet my life on that dude being a used car salesman for eternity. Talent is just a little subjective. I won't lie, I loved Manziel in college and I'm certainly biased. If you asked me who to bring in today, Tyler Wilson or Manziel, I take the Money Team 10/10 times. Can we try and stick the OP's post? Thread is about keeping TT, not signing a reject from the cast of Trainspotting. Sure. 26 derailed us a bit. Please answer the question I posed to you. How does this offense play to his strengths compared to last years and 2015's offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 I'm totally fine with retaining Tyrod and looking to draft a QB to develop alongside Cardale. I favor the exact same approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Maybe. Then again we brought in Matt frickin' Leinhart 2 years ago. I would've bet my life on that dude being a used car salesman for eternity. Talent is just a little subjective. I won't lie, I loved Manziel in college and I'm certainly biased. If you asked me who to bring in today, Tyler Wilson or Manziel, I take the Money Team 10/10 times. Sure. 26 derailed us a bit. Please answer the question I posed to you. How does this offense play to his strengths compared to last years and 2015's offense? It's an offense predicated on rollouts and bootlegs. Getting a mobile, but short QB out of the pocket gets him out form behind a line he can barely see over and opens up more of the field to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 No new info, sounds like. Just speculating with some of the dots others have already begun to connect. yes, several articles posted here have connected that dot (the Baltimore years) already. Provides another thread to either support or bash Taylor though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I don't know if you saw the "keeping TT part" but that's the part Whaley has control over. Clearly this possibility was discussed by McDermott , Pegulas , and Whaley during the interview process. we don't know if Whaley has the ability to make this decision on his own, but it's very possible that he doesn't. Either way, McDermott doesn't take the job if he doesn't want that possibility. Whatever that move would mean, it likely won't be the only move. Another QB will likely be drafted. Johnny Manziel shouldn't even be a consideration at this point because he is an absolute joke as an individual. There is nothing to be gained there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 It's an offense predicated on rollouts and bootlegs. Getting a mobile, but short QB out of the pocket gets him out form behind a line he can barely see over and opens up more of the field to him. How does the # of designed rollouts and boots in this new offense compare to the # called in 2015 and 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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